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Ha, one more mind one step closer to enlightenment. TAKE THAT WESTERNIZED PHILOSOPHY!

Energy is a substance that cannot be created or destroyed, but certain forms can shift from one plane of reality to another, regardless of whether or not humans can perceive it.

Nothing that exists in existence as a whole is without energy. Matter is just another form of energy, it just exists in the form that manifest's humans, thus society deems it different than other energy.

The sum of the universal energy is not god. God is a thinking, judging deity, a mass of energy that reflects human intelligence. Rather, it is Brahma, the sum of all energy that manifests this void (space). The only "god's" that exist in this plane are conscious beings, the ones that perceive, judge, think, and act. We are the ones that act, we are the ones that think, we are the ones that LIVE.

Brahma only is. When we die, we return to Brahma, not as conscious souls, but as energy, the energy that was once in our bodies returns to the world from whence it came.

Any other sort of believe in a "God" simply does not make sense.

Haha Hindu? And I used the term god of sorts to express its purpose more or less, thus putting it in such a stature....
Also due to the Purpose of Energy can it not judge our actions because if it couldn't or wouldn't exert itself, it would be judging and sentinent yes?

MAybe this could be considered like this. Energy IS what controls the universe in a way. It could be said that energy is needed, so if it disappears, everything else does. But, we can control energy so that makes US gods of sort. I think the answer, from a philosophical point of view is that evrything in the universe is a god, making no one a god. so energy could be considered a good, just as gravitee or any other such thing.


~Funk

(08-23-2008 11:55 PM)Funk*Lord Wrote: [ -> ]MAybe this could be considered like this. Energy IS what controls the universe in a way. It could be said that energy is needed, so if it disappears, everything else does. But, we can control energy so that makes US gods of sort. I think the answer, from a philosophical point of view is that evrything in the universe is a god, making no one a god. so energy could be considered a good, just as gravitee or any other such thing.


~Funk

lol that kinda killed it. The rest of it pales into what ever else you said....

(08-23-2008 11:49 PM)Icyblue Wrote: [ -> ]Haha Hindu? And I used the term god of sorts to express its purpose more or less, thus putting it in such a stature....
Also due to the Purpose of Energy can it not judge our actions because if it couldn't or wouldn't exert itself, it would be judging and sentinent yes?

No, Buddhist.

Energy has no purpose, it exists only because it can, and at the same time, cannot stop. It does not judge us, we judge it, energy that has taken a certain form, the form of consciousness, can judge other things that the consciousness perceives. The conscious form of energy is not all the energy as one, or we would be a part of this one conscious, we would literally be one mind, one universe. The fact that we are able to identify ourselves as ourselves proves that false. Brahma as it is known is not a judging deity, it is a presence from which all things, specific to this thread; conscious ones, came from, and all things will return to, they will return to being a part of the universe that does not think or judge, to be a part that just is.

Uugh I was pestered to do this early....

But Static you are abusing that God has to be a sentinent being. When it does not. I am phrasing this god as something that simply controls all that is. And by that you counter with a religious belief? I am disappointed in you Static....
You of all people I would expect to be flexible with the ideal of what a god/deity is.

(08-24-2008 12:36 AM)Icyblue Wrote: [ -> ]Uugh I was pestered to do this early....

But Static you are abusing that God has to be a sentinent being. When it does not. I am phrasing this god as something that simply controls all that is. And by that you counter with a religious belief? I am disappointed in you Static....
You of all people I would expect to be flexible with the ideal of what a god/deity is.

I stated no religious belief, I stated a fact. When we die, the energy in our bodies will return to the earth, no?

I simply gave this earth a name, and made it sound like I am implying a religious belief.

Onto the other part of your thread, I think the first part. Only sentient beings control, because only sentient beings perceive, think, and act on what they think is their own. If a celestial presence did not perceive, think, or act on what it thought was it's own, it would not be controlling. Controlling is a conscious action, limiting the ability of is not.

To kill two birds with one stone, I never said that a celestial presence could not limit the ability of anything. However, it is NOT THE FAULT of said celestial presence that anything doesn't occur as we perceive it should, it is the fault of the conscious being for having desire to do something it cannot.

I don't get what you are implying with the whole "God that can control" thing. I don't know what the truth is, but I know what it isn't, and I know it isn't a conscious deity. You have to remember, I'm still an atheist, a Christianized "thinking" god is utter blasphemy to me.

To Icyblue:

You could consider energy a higher entity, but to consider it a god is a misuse of the word, since we usually conjure of one that created the universe, as well as one that hears and ruminates on every human thought.

plus the fact with different religions comes a different god (assuming that religion believes in only 1, some believe in more)

This is why it leads to so much conflict between religions because some will insist for one religion their gods have no power because they're not really real and such

God is conscious.

Energy is an ambiguous attribute.

Physics defines energy as the potential to do work, and defines work as the energy exerted by a force.

Yeah... That doesn't help in the least bit.

Spiritual energy is a load of subjective bullshit that I don't believe in, so I'll leave it at that.

(12-04-2008 03:47 AM)ragnarok1945 Wrote: [ -> ]plus the fact with different religions comes a different god...

The God for Judaism, Catholicism, and Islam is said to be the same God. Especially seeing the fact that it's the same God that Abraham worshiped. I just finished a blog on Myspace stating my beliefs and scientific facts stating the existence of God. Everyone, prepare for a long post:

My Own Proof of God:
1. The Earth and the cosmos are so perfect in the way they are aligned, placed, and size. For an argument you may say: "Well there was a series of cosmic collisions that lead to-" No, the way we are perfectly aligned with our sun is that if we were any closer, or any further, we would either burn up or freeze. Our Earth is in fact at a tilt of 23.44°, just enough for us to have four seasons, and for our Earth to be equally warmed and cooled on each hemisphere for each season. Also, no other planet in our known solar system has an atmosphere so perfectly measured like our own. If the Earth were smaller, we wouldn't have an atmosphere, but at the same time, if it were larger, we wouldn't be able to support oxygen.

2. Intelligence. How is it that we can think like we can? How is it that these atoms make intelligence? There is no other way than someone making our intelligence for us. Atoms do not have brains, the only other theory that has a brain or intelligence to create our own intelligence is God. There is no way that an atom can have a mind to cluster together and say, "Hey guys, let's form ourselves a human that can build, write, and discover us!". That doesn't happen, it can't happen, and it can be disproven in scientific terms. Yet God cannot be disproven in his own terms.

3. Reasoning. Say if our series of atoms and codes of DNA created by our nucleus' are proven to build intelligence, how is it that they are proven to create reasoning? The only way that we would know that killing another human is bad, that taking lives is bad, and that we have our own feelings and emotions is God! Nucleus' and molecules Do Not have reasoning integrated into their DNA and nucleic orders.

4. Math. There couldn't have been a big bang, because the big bang states that everything was created from nothing. There can't be nothing, because if 4 x 0= 0, that still isn't nothing. Because the number 0 is a measurement of something which is empty. In other words, you can't have jelly floating around without a jar.

5. Jesus. There was no proof of Jesus by historical records, except by the Bible and by word of mouth. But that word of mouth spreads far. Over 500 people saw Jesus ascend into heaven. Thousands knew he was living during the time that historians and others have estimated he was. There was a confirmed Jewish historian speaking of Jesus in the 1st Century. Now, I see an awfully large coincidence in the fact that a Jewish historian was speaking of Jesus.

6. Coincidence. Is it not coincidence that religion came before science? Is it not a massive string of coincidence that our world was even created? There can't be this many coincidences, there is no way that we could line up so many of them to make our own world and our own brain, our own stories and our own reasoning. I don't believe coincidence is coincidence.

To Deadlycreampuff:

That sounds and feels like a blanket assertion of: We don't know why X happens! Therefore God exists!

Not really, but okay. I know what you're talking about, it was on that one site where they posted like a trillion reasons why God didn't exist, it was funny.

(12-06-2008 03:38 AM)Deadlycreampuff Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, but okay. I know what you're talking about, it was on that one site where they posted like a trillion reasons why God didn't exist, it was funny.

Ever heard of evolution?

(12-06-2008 09:22 PM)~Lord Davok~ Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2008 03:38 AM)Deadlycreampuff Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, but okay. I know what you're talking about, it was on that one site where they posted like a trillion reasons why God didn't exist, it was funny.

Ever heard of evolution?

I have actually, where did evolution come from then?

off-topic: evolution exists, but that's not how we got here.
Sure, let's say a tree starts making sap so ants feed off it and attack animals that would eat parts of the tree. That would be evolving, growing something new and w/e
but we didnt come out of some primordial soup, into monkeys, then this.
Anyone who buys that bit into the biggest sh*tty cookie EVER.

on-topic: the idea that energy = god is pretty strange.
I dont really know how to put this 'cuz I don't have a firm grasp on how this could even be possible; If god is real, we'll never really know how anything works. OR maybe there is no afterlife, and we're all an illusion. Illusions trying to find out how EVERYTHING works, coming to a sensible decision, and believing in that, although it's only another illusion.
Now my brain hurts.

(12-07-2008 06:57 PM)Deadlycreampuff Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2008 09:22 PM)~Lord Davok~ Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2008 03:38 AM)Deadlycreampuff Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, but okay. I know what you're talking about, it was on that one site where they posted like a trillion reasons why God didn't exist, it was funny.

Ever heard of evolution?

I have actually, where did evolution come from then?

I don't know, for I haven't read the relevant data on the matter at hand; however, to say that God did it is tantamount to - no, make it IS - an abdication of the responsibility to research and find an explanation for X.