Let me tell you what it isn't, and then I show you why it's wrong. Then we debate.
The American dream is to own a house with an acre of green grass and scattered trees, have a loving and loyal spouse, and raise your kids to have character, to be decent, drug-free human beings so that they can succeed and be well liked. It involves working hard, you have to earn it by working a job that probably doesn't pay enough because you think you deserve more for your work. It involves spending family time together, on vacation, holiday, and at the dinner table, and going to Church or Cynagogue or Mosque or Temple or wherever your faith is represented.
This is not what it is anymore.
What is the American dream?
The American dream is playing out Darwinism. It is trying to get as much as you can, so that you feel you amount to something, so that you feel you are successful and important. It is working for your company rather than living for your own enjoyment, just so that you can amount to that little bit more. It is being stubborn on issues of ethic so that people think you have strong opinion's and a strong will. It is a facade we have to put over other people to say "I am something, and I am something more when compared to him, or her, or any of those people there simply because of what I have done or accomplished and how much I was payed for it."
A dream is the desire to become something, in innocence. A dream of greed is no longer a dream, but a lust. As far as I'm concerned, The American "Dream" is long dead, along with civil decency and living for the sake of living and just being chill with what is, rather than what can be.
Now, we debate.
Actually... Here's my dream:
I want to own a condo in some dense city (preferably New York, or Tokyo, Beijing might work too, maybe Rome), with an extended porch that faces north or south, so that I can enjoy sunrise AND sunset when I eat. I'd like to have pleasant neighbors, the good kind that cook food for each other, watch each others' kids, have barbecues, that sort of thing. Of course, I want a decent job, with a hefty pay (financial welfare first, above all else, that's what I say). I hope my wife (or husband, if that's what ends up happening; I'll keep my options open) will be loyal, dedicated, beautiful and just as logical as I am. At some point I will adopt a daughter (regardless of my spouse's gender, and like hell I'm going to go through labor), and I raise her to be absolutely wonderful; beautiful, smart and deadly, just in case anyone tries to feel her up or something.
There, not very American, but I could care less; I'm not American.
(08-24-2008 01:50 PM)「tea.leaf」 Wrote: [ -> ]Actually... Here's my dream:
I want to own a condo in some dense city (preferably New York, or Tokyo, Beijing might work too, maybe Rome), with an extended porch that faces north or south, so that I can enjoy sunrise AND sunset when I eat. I'd like to have pleasant neighbors, the good kind that cook food for each other, watch each others' kids, have barbecues, that sort of thing. Of course, I want a decent job, with a hefty pay (financial welfare first, above all else, that's what I say). I hope my wife (or husband, if that's what ends up happening; I'll keep my options open) will be loyal, dedicated, beautiful and just as logical as I am. At some point I will adopt a daughter (regardless of my spouse's gender, and like hell I'm going to go through labor), and I raise her to be absolutely wonderful; beautiful, smart and deadly, just in case anyone tries to feel her up or something.
There, not very American, but I could care less; I'm not American.
um...
so.. is it bad, that, um, damn, damn, damn ,damn
grrr, =(
^ What? That was very confusing.
(08-24-2008 02:04 PM)「tea.leaf」 Wrote: [ -> ]^ What? That was very confusing.
i was holding myself back from being major flirtatious man >.<
My dream is people not to gamble and lose all their money and being so greedy and begging for money over streets of where we drive. Srsly is it that hard no to be greedy and lose control? Why is it so hard to control your body. Its common sense YOU CONTROL YOUR BODY NO MATTER WHAT! No one or nothing else controls it the way you control your on body for helping you being on control and take action for wasteing and loseing all your money
Im canadian and i see people in my town being so poor and begging for food and shelter loseing there money in Niagra falls or people in america loseing money in vegas and casinos
^ It's called America.
It's how the people are raised.
Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
(08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
There is no right way.
You and everyone else was raised differently, different standards, different rules, different people.
There is no right way, to do anything.
get it straight, then you can complain.
(08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
Stop failing at this argument.
It's an American dream. Why would I want to dream it?
Australian dreams are much better.
(08-24-2008 02:10 PM)Bloodrun Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
There is no right way.
You and everyone else was raised differently, different standards, different rules, different people.
There is no right way, to do anything.
get it straight, then you can complain.
No Blood, even though what he wrote makes no sense at all, when you get down to what he is trying to say, he is right.
Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha) Wrote:I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do believe in a fate that falls on them unless they act.
Inaction on our part, the lack of will to commit an action to change society for the better, is destroying our society.
(08-24-2008 06:22 PM)Static Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:10 PM)Bloodrun Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
There is no right way.
You and everyone else was raised differently, different standards, different rules, different people.
There is no right way, to do anything.
get it straight, then you can complain.
No Blood, even though what he wrote makes no sense at all, when you get down to what he is trying to say, he is right.
Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha) Wrote:I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do believe in a fate that falls on them unless they act.
Inaction on our part, the lack of will to commit an action to change society for the better, is destroying our society.
But each man has his own society. Its up to him if he/she wants to do anything to it. An action, needs a force to act upon it. So you push that man to make a change, hes not the one that pushes himself..
wait, i just contradicted myself.dammit >.<
(08-24-2008 06:24 PM)Bloodrun Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 06:22 PM)Static Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:10 PM)Bloodrun Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
There is no right way.
You and everyone else was raised differently, different standards, different rules, different people.
There is no right way, to do anything.
get it straight, then you can complain.
No Blood, even though what he wrote makes no sense at all, when you get down to what he is trying to say, he is right.
Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha) Wrote:I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do believe in a fate that falls on them unless they act.
Inaction on our part, the lack of will to commit an action to change society for the better, is destroying our society.
But each man has his own society. Its up to him if he/she wants to do anything to it. An action, needs a force to act upon it. So you push that man to make a change, hes not the one that pushes himself..
wait, i just contradicted myself.dammit >.<
Each man has his own perception of society. However, there is only one society, no matter how you look at it.
Normal people cower behind the brutal machine of economic imperialism. Greater persons work to make it better for the rest of their fellow man. Greater men act.
(08-24-2008 06:37 PM)Static Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 06:24 PM)Bloodrun Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 06:22 PM)Static Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:10 PM)Bloodrun Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
There is no right way.
You and everyone else was raised differently, different standards, different rules, different people.
There is no right way, to do anything.
get it straight, then you can complain.
No Blood, even though what he wrote makes no sense at all, when you get down to what he is trying to say, he is right.
Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha) Wrote:I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do believe in a fate that falls on them unless they act.
Inaction on our part, the lack of will to commit an action to change society for the better, is destroying our society.
But each man has his own society. Its up to him if he/she wants to do anything to it. An action, needs a force to act upon it. So you push that man to make a change, hes not the one that pushes himself..
wait, i just contradicted myself.dammit >.<
Normal people cower behind the brutal machine of economic imperialism. Greater persons work to make it better for the rest of their fellow man. Greater men act.
Each man has his own perception of society. However, there is only one society, no matter how you look at it.
Lol, im lazy Eli, i really am.
I make it look like im doin something, but really, im sittin back criticing those who are.
I don't have any dreams. :/
This whole thread sounds like somebody pissed you off in a debate because you couldn't convince them of your opinion.
But I'll shut up now.
(08-24-2008 08:14 PM)*.Burn It Down.* Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have any dreams. :/
This whole thread sounds like somebody pissed you off in a debate because you couldn't convince them of your opinion.
But I'll shut up now.
No, it's actually because someone was trying to say just this, but wasn't writing it as epicly as I wanted it to be said.
You might know him as yankeefan.
(08-24-2008 02:11 PM)「tea.leaf」 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
I need to stop failing at debates.
I agree
(08-29-2008 11:06 AM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:11 PM)「tea.leaf」 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]Still People need to be raised the right way being not so greedy for money and getting raised the smartest way possible or else it could lead to death loseing money them after a few months your dead in the streets and you will regret it the rest of your life
Stop failing at this argument.
I agree
Right, taking cheap shots, that's really helping your s*** point.
(08-29-2008 04:35 PM)「tea.leaf」 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2008 11:06 AM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:11 PM)「tea.leaf」 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2008 02:09 PM)barsam Wrote: [ -> ]I'm illiterate and find grammar to be useless!
You're an idiot.
No I isn't U is!
Right, taking cheap shots, that's really helping your s*** point.
Shortened version!