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Your hand:
  • Reinforcement of the Army
  • Dark Armed Dragon
  • Snipe Hunter
  • Monster Reborn

Opponent's field:
  • Stardust Dragon
  • Dark Armed Dragon
  • Dark End Dragon
  • Red Archfiend Dragon
  • Face-down Spell/Trap

RotA targets:
  • Dark Grepher
  • Strike Ninja
  • Elemental Hero Stratos
  • Don Zaloog

Stratos targets:
  • Destiny Hero - Malicious
  • Destiny Hero - Malicious
  • Destiny Hero - Malicious


Monster Reborn targets:
  • Krebons (opponent's)
  • Elemental Hero Stratos (opponent's)
  • Summon Priest
  • Soldier of Mist Valley

Other notes:
  • Your life points are 100 and your opponent's are 8000
  • Your field contains nothing
  • Your opponent's hand contains nothing
  • Dark End Dragon has got 2600 atk points
  • Dark End Dragon is owned by you, so if it gets destroyed, there'll be one more DARK monster in your Graveyard
  • Your Graveyard contains 1 DARK monster (Summon Priest)
  • The only target for Summon Priest which could make you play further was Soldier of Mist Valley
  • All the LV8 Synchros that can be summoned from Summon Priest + Soldier of Mist Valley (including Dark End Dragon) are in the deck
  • The only LV6 Synchros that are in the Extra Deck are Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary and Goyo Guardian


I had just been in this EXACT situation.

I'll tell you the face-down card later.

Tell me what you would do to make sure your opponent's field is completely empty at the end of your turn.

This requires a lot of thinking, so start doing that. Nau.
Scoop.
you wanna know i would do?











I would surrender
ROTA Grepher. Reborn Stratos, search Mali. Play Grepher, discard Mali from hand and another from deck. Summon DAD. Attack Stardust, then blow up their other monsters.

There are probably better plays, that involve actually doing something about the facedown.
(11-16-2008 04:47 PM)hazzah Wrote: [ -> ]you wanna know i would do?

That's what Scoop means..







I would surrender
(11-16-2008 04:47 PM)hazzah Wrote: [ -> ]you wanna know i would do?

I would surrender

You would fail.
How much ATK does the opponent's Dark End Dragon currently have? It could be important.

Anyhow, let's start with Genzo's plan:

Strategy 1: The Genzo Plan (Click to View)

This leaves you in control of Elemental Hero Stratos, Dark Grepher, and Dark Armed Dragon, and it leaves your opponent's field empty save for that Set Spell or Trap card. On the not-so-bright side, the only card in your hand is Snipe Hunter, your opponent still has that Set Spell or Trap and an unspecified number of cards in hand (but he may well have an empty hand, since he just summoned 3 Synchros and DAD), and your opponent can win the duel now simply by Summoning a monster with 1800 ATK - remember, your Attack Position Dark Grepher is a bit of a weak spot when you only have 100 LP. (By the way, your opponent still has 7700 LP, so you're still not exactly about to win.)

Another possible play:

Strategy 2: Snipe Hunting (Click to View)

This version is more risky, since it has a 1/9 chance of failure due to Snipe Hunter's inconsistent effect, allows the opponent to win next turn with only 1600 ATK instead of a full 1800, and leaves your hand completely empty instead of empty save for Snipe Hunter. On the other hand, it also has a 4/9 chance of removing the Set Spell or Trap, and leaves the opponent with only
1900 LP instead of 7700 LP. I could probably rearrange a few of the steps to make it slightly more resistant to interference from Mind Crush, but you get the general idea.

There are a couple of other options, such as:

Strategy 3: Brionackattack (Click to View)

This strategy removes the element of luck involved in the second strategy, and eliminates the flaw in both of the above strategies that allows the opponent to win simply by Normal Summoning Gemini Elf by forcing the opponent to get out a 2400 ATK monster before they can win that easily. It also is certain to remove the Set Spell or Trap, but by the time you get around to removing it, it will be too late to make much of a difference unless said Set Spell or Trap is Mirror Force. On the plus side, it also leaves the opponent with only 2900 LP - not on the verge of death, but not anywhere near 8000 either. You have no hand, but the opponent probably doesn't either, so they're now in topdeck mode.

Strategy 3 is the only one that meets Exiro's instructions, which say to "Tell me what you would do to make sure your opponent's field is completely empty at the end of your turn." Strategy 1 leaves the opponent with their Set Spell or Trap, and Strategy 2 only has a 4/9 chance of removing said Set Spell or Trap.

Of course, Strategy 3 has a crucial weakness: Nothing Exiro said indicates that he had Brionac in his Extra Deck, although since this was clearly an OCG duel based on the presence of Dark End Dragon, his Extra Deck probably contained one anyhow. But one universal Extra Deck staple is Goyou Guardian, which brings us to this, which is largely an improved version of Strategy 1:

Strategy 4: Grand Theft Dragon (Click to View)

This strategy ensures that your opponent can't get a shot at your Life Points without summoning a 2900 ATK monster (or a 2100 ATK piercer, but who uses Frembell Urquizas?) or destroying three of your monsters - one of which has an anti-destruction effect. (If used, of course, Stardust Dragon will return to the opponent's side of the field during the End Phase, but it's still nice to have insurance.) Alternatively, you could have DAD attack Stardust and have Goyou attack Dark End Dragon, then use DED's effect to kill Red Dragon Archfiend during the Main Phase 2, allowing you to save Destiny Hero - Malicious in the graveyard for future use. Its weaknesses include removing the opponent's Set Spell or Trap far too late and emptying your own hand. Another weakness, of course, is that it leaves the opponent with 7500, or at least 7000, Life Points, as opposed to Strategies 2 and 3, both of which decimate the opponent's Life Points; to make up for this, it provides consistency, protection for future turns, and an extremely strong field presence. (It also satisfies Exiro's requirement.)



In other news:

(11-16-2008 04:44 PM)Injection Fairy Lily Wrote: [ -> ]Scoop.

(11-16-2008 04:47 PM)hazzah Wrote: [ -> ]you wanna know i would do?











I would surrender

These people are bad at this game.
(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]How much ATK does the opponent's Dark End Dragon currently have? It could be important.

Good point.
His atk was 2600, and I also forgot to mention that he is actually owned by you, which might have effect on DAD's summoning condition and his number of bullets.


(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]On the not-so-bright side, the only card in your hand is Snipe Hunter, your opponent still has that Set Spell or Trap and an unspecified number of cards in hand

I thought I specified that, but I seemed to have misspelled 'hand' for 'had'.


(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]
Strategy 1: The Genzo Plan (Click to View)

This leaves you in control of Elemental Hero Stratos, Dark Grepher, and Dark Armed Dragon, and it leaves your opponent's field empty save for that Set Spell or Trap card. On the not-so-bright side, the only card in your hand is Snipe Hunter, your opponent still has that Set Spell or Trap and an unspecified number of cards in hand (but he may well have an empty hand, since he just summoned 3 Synchros and DAD), and your opponent can win the duel now simply by Summoning a monster with 1800 ATK - remember, your Attack Position Dark Grepher is a bit of a weak spot when you only have 100 LP. (By the way, your opponent still has 7700 LP, so you're still not exactly about to win.)

This is what I standardly thought of vaguely, but I decided to think further because this strategy seems rather inconsistent, even on first thought.
And btw, you would also be able to kill the s/t by removing DED too, which you couldn't have known.


(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]
Strategy 2: Snipe Hunting (Click to View)

This version is more risky, since it has a 1/9 chance of failure due to Snipe Hunter's inconsistent effect, allows the opponent to win next turn with only 1600 ATK instead of a full 1800, and leaves your hand completely empty instead of empty save for Snipe Hunter. On the other hand, it also has a 4/9 chance of removing the Set Spell or Trap, and leaves the opponent with only
1900 LP instead of 7700 LP. I could probably rearrange a few of the steps to make it slightly more resistant to interference from Mind Crush, but you get the general idea.

This is actually what I would've done at the moment that the server crashed (yes, it crashed >_>).
And if the 'DED is owned by you' rule is applied here, the chance of destroying the set S/T is the same as destroying Stardust Dragon, 8/9, because DAD would kill it in the end anyways.


(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]It also is certain to remove the Set Spell or Trap, but by the time you get around to removing it, it will be too late to make much of a difference unless said Set Spell or Trap is Mirror Force.

And it was.


(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]
Strategy 3: Brionackattack (Click to View)

This strategy removes the element of luck involved in the second strategy, and eliminates the flaw in both of the above strategies that allows the opponent to win simply by Normal Summoning Gemini Elf by forcing the opponent to get out a 2400 ATK monster before they can win that easily. It also is certain to remove the Set Spell or Trap, but by the time you get around to removing it, it will be too late to make much of a difference unless said Set Spell or Trap is Mirror Force. On the plus side, it also leaves the opponent with only 2900 LP - not on the verge of death, but not anywhere near 8000 either. You have no hand, but the opponent probably doesn't either, so they're now in topdeck mode.

Strategy 3 is the only one that meets Exiro's instructions, which say to "Tell me what you would do to make sure your opponent's field is completely empty at the end of your turn." Strategy 1 leaves the opponent with their Set Spell or Trap, and Strategy 2 only has a 4/9 chance of removing said Set Spell or Trap.

Of course, Strategy 3 has a crucial weakness: Nothing Exiro said indicates that he had Brionac in his Extra Deck, although since this was clearly an OCG duel based on the presence of Dark End Dragon, his Extra Deck probably contained one anyhow. But one universal Extra Deck staple is Goyou Guardian, which brings us to this, which is largely an improved version of Strategy 1:

I had Brionac in my Extra Deck, and sad enough, I forgot about him, which I do way too often.
This strategy looks like the best one to me.
This time, you wouldn't get the extra DED bullet, but you also wouldn't need it.


(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]
Strategy 4: Grand Theft Dragon (Click to View)

This strategy ensures that your opponent can't get a shot at your Life Points without summoning a 2900 ATK monster (or a 2100 ATK piercer, but who uses Frembell Urquizas?) or destroying three of your monsters - one of which has an anti-destruction effect. (If used, of course, Stardust Dragon will return to the opponent's side of the field during the End Phase, but it's still nice to have insurance.) Alternatively, you could have DAD attack Stardust and have Goyou attack Dark End Dragon, then use DED's effect to kill Red Dragon Archfiend during the Main Phase 2, allowing you to save Destiny Hero - Malicious in the graveyard for future use. Its weaknesses include removing the opponent's Set Spell or Trap far too late and emptying your own hand. Another weakness, of course, is that it leaves the opponent with 7500, or at least 7000, Life Points, as opposed to Strategies 2 and 3, both of which decimate the opponent's Life Points; to make up for this, it provides consistency, protection for future turns, and an extremely strong field presence. (It also satisfies Exiro's requirement.)

This on would indeed be nice too, but sadly, you would get hit by Mirror Force before you could protect yourself from it.
I wonder if I would see this as the best strategy if I didn't know the face-down card myself.
Did you?


(11-16-2008 06:02 PM)Crab Helmet Wrote: [ -> ]In other news:

(11-16-2008 04:44 PM)Injection Fairy Lily Wrote: [ -> ]Scoop.

(11-16-2008 04:47 PM)hazzah Wrote: [ -> ]you wanna know i would do?











I would surrender

These people are bad at this game.

I completely agree.
It's not that I'm bad at this game, it's that I'm too lazy to come up with a suitable way out of the situation. I could easily, but there would be no point to get Technical with a children's card game.
Damn, I only came up with the Genzo plan that Crab also mentioned b4 scrolling down. Grand Theft Dragon was a better strategy there.
(11-17-2008 03:14 PM)Exiro Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if I would see this as the best strategy if I didn't know the face-down card myself.
Did you?

Had I known that the opponent had no hand, I would have gone with Strategy 3. The biggest advantage of Strategy 4 was that it came with extra protection for future turns in the forms of Stardust Dragon and Dark End Dragon, but since the opponent would literally control no cards, the need for such protection would be severely diminished.

(11-18-2008 04:18 PM)Injection Fairy Lily Wrote: [ -> ]It's not that I'm bad at this game, it's that I'm too lazy to come up with a suitable way out of the situation. I could easily, but there would be no point to get Technical with a children's card game.

If you would enter duels and then scoop the moment you found yourself in a situation that required some degree of thought, then you are bad at this game.
No, I wouldn't scoop at that moment, I would play it out. I put that I would scoop for teh lulz.
(11-18-2008 10:00 PM)Injection Fairy Lily Wrote: [ -> ]No, I wouldn't scoop at that moment, I would play it out. I put that I would scoop for teh lulz.

So now you've said 2 different things. You're a liar and couldn't figure out how to get out of it. Am I right?
No It's called sarcasm. Nobody understands sarcasm on internet forums.
(11-19-2008 11:15 AM)Injection Fairy Lily Wrote: [ -> ]No It's called sarcasm. Nobody understands sarcasm on internet forums.

you should have done something a bit more obvious then.

like" I'd cheat and take X out of my deck when I reborn his stratos"
(11-19-2008 11:15 AM)Injection Fairy Lily Wrote: [ -> ]No It's called sarcasm. Nobody understands sarcasm on internet forums.

It's so cute when people try to defend their stupid posts by saying LOL I WAS JUST JOKIN GUYZ
Do you think I would honestly scoop at a tournament match because things look bleak?

No, I wouldn't. I love mah pointz.
(11-19-2008 07:18 PM)Injection Fairy Lily Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think I would honestly scoop at a tournament match because things look bleak?

Wild Dragonite appeared! Wild Dragonite used Fly! Wild Dragonite summoned Victory Dragon! Scoop?
Well there are certain situations that you would put you in a situation that normally you should scoop, for example if your opponent summoned a Victory Dragon and you had 100 LP left, normally you would scoop that way you wouldn't lose the match.

But, in the situation that Exiro posted, that is the type of situation you shouldn't scoop in.
Get a gun, and blast my opponants head off.

Then take his deck.
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