Duel Monsters Unlimited is worse than Pojo and TCGPlayer combined.

[SephirothKirby]

SephirothKirby: Semi-Limits shouldn't exist.
Truth: There's no reason semi's shouldn't exist.
SephirothKirby: A card inherently belongs at 3 or 0 unless it interacts with other copies of itself in a manner that makes it unacceptable (ie, Stratos)
Truth: Your reasoning is horrible.
Truth: That's ****ing retarded, Sephiroth.
SephirothKirby: If it's bad for the game at 3, it's bad for the game at 2.
Donnie : so malicious should either be @ 3 or 0?
SephirothKirby: It's still just as bad, it's just less likely to occur.
Truth: JD got hit like ass @ 2.
SephirothKirby: No, that is the exception I just said, Donnie.
Yubel: malicious at 1
Truth: So what you say is moot.
Donnie : ahh didn't see it :S
Donnie : still
Donnie : semi limits make sense
Truth: Lone at two would hurt.
Truth: Airbellum at two would BRUISE AKB.
Truth: Even though Cat is gone.
Donnie : though most of the cards we have semi'd make little sense
Truth: As an example.
SephirothKirby: It's still just as bad, it's just less likely to occur.
Donnie : cat @ 1 doesnt hurt cat at all
Donnie : losing DSF does
SephirothKirby: But they don't NEED to be hurt.
Truth: Most cards shouldn't
Truth: Be @ 2
Truth: But some fit really nicely there.
SephirothKirby: You guys are giving me cancer.
Yubel: cancer is not a joke
Truth: You give me a ****ing brain tumor.
Truth: You find dumb **** on failPojo and paste it here like it makes sense.
SephirothKirby: Pojo is terrible.
Truth: Then that's where you found it,
SephirothKirby: This place is worse.
Truth: Because that logic is terrabad.
Yubel: who thinks neo spacians can b tier 2 if played properly?

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The best part is the line at the end, I had to keep it.

So let's discuss what a non 3-or-0 list would be like. I've never seen one. What is the reasoning behind it's decisions?

[Captain Lawless]

• Truth is a little... uneducated? But we still got players like Latoma and Nicnac, they know a bit more about ygoz.
• You'll see a lot of terrible, awful things there you can never unsee. Like...random Kaiba decks,
  Jaden fans, stupid players who don't know the rules and stupid players who don't know sh*t about
  stuff like you posted.
  

[「tea.leaf」]

The people make me want to find their parents and punch them in the face.

[Nightmare Zarkus]

I've seen some horribly stupid things on DMU too, man. This isn't even that bad in comparison

[Flame Dragon]

Those people are just stupid and make a good number of the members here look like geniuses.
People need to learn that happening less =/= it doesn't happen.

[Kaix]

Yubel: who thinks neo spacians can b tier 2 if played properly?

This guy is my new best friend.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

A non 3 or 0 list would probably work on the philosophy that cards should never be banned, that it's better to limit it and every card related to it until a combo is impotent then it is to ban even one card.

[BehindTheMask]

I don't like some of the 0/3 stuff.

I really like the lack of semi limited cards.

[Crab Helmet]

These people have never heard of 3/0 before in their lives, and you declared it to be absolute truth in two lines of text that summarized a couple of its conclusions (without giving any explanation for how they were reached, what assumptions were made, what they entail, and so forth), then countered their arguments - which, given their assumption that the banlist is their to either punish or help decks, were perfectly valid - by making statements like "But they don't NEED to be hurt" that people could only understand if they were already familiar with 3/0 logic. When that somehow didn't magically make them all agree with you, you decided that mindless flaming was the best solution. Naturally, you did all of this neither to educate the locals (unless this was your intention, in which case you really suck at it) nor to simply troll (unless this was your intention, in which case you really suck at it) but rather to reinforce your own ego by "proving" that you are better than them.

Remember that, with the exception of the original creators of 3/0 theory and those who developed it independently (both of which are low in number), players, regardless of how intelligent they are (again, unless they are intelligent enough to develop it independently from scratch), cannot follow 3/0 unless they are first introduced to 3/0 by someone. Hence, using Konamilogic doesn't itself mean that DMU is stupid - what it means is that they just haven't been properly introduced to 3/0 by anyone. The difference between you and them is not necessarily anything more than that you met Atem or someone similar and they did not.

As a result, your pathetic attempt to "prove" your intellectual superiority is not only petty but also fundamentally flawed, and the only thing you have succeeded in proving is that you have completely and utterly failed to think any of this through.

[Armadilloz]

(08-14-2009 12:54 AM)SephirothKirby Wrote:  SephirothKirby: You guys are giving me cancer.
Yubel: cancer is not a joke
Truth: You give me a ****ing brain tumor.

I <3 you seph

(08-14-2009 12:54 AM)SephirothKirby Wrote:  Truth: You find dumb **** on failPojo and paste it here like it makes sense.

lol failPojo

(08-14-2009 12:54 AM)SephirothKirby Wrote:  Yubel: who thinks neo spacians can b tier 2 if played properly?

^Seriously, this is proof that its worse then Pojo^
D00D, OV CORS NEO SPASHINZ KAN B TEER 2, IF U LIEK SUMN A NEEOS & SACREFIEC CONTACT DEM & U KEN LIEK UZE MAS DRIVAH 2 ALSO DO 1000 DAMG @ DA SAEM TIEM LLLOLOLOOLLOLOLL!!11!!!!!

[tonisanoob]

(08-14-2009 07:54 AM)Crab Helmet Wrote:  These people have never heard of 3/0 before in their lives, and you declared it to be absolute truth in two lines of text that summarized a couple of its conclusions (without giving any explanation for how they were reached, what assumptions were made, what they entail, and so forth), then countered their arguments - which, given their assumption that the banlist is their to either punish or help decks, were perfectly valid - by making statements like "But they don't NEED to be hurt" that people could only understand if they were already familiar with 3/0 logic. When that somehow didn't magically make them all agree with you, you decided that mindless flaming was the best solution. Naturally, you did all of this neither to educate the locals (unless this was your intention, in which case you really suck at it) nor to simply troll (unless this was your intention, in which case you really suck at it) but rather to reinforce your own ego by "proving" that you are better than them.

Remember that, with the exception of the original creators of 3/0 theory and those who developed it independently (both of which are low in number), players, regardless of how intelligent they are (again, unless they are intelligent enough to develop it independently from scratch), cannot follow 3/0 unless they are first introduced to 3/0 by someone. Hence, using Konamilogic doesn't itself mean that DMU is stupid - what it means is that they just haven't been properly introduced to 3/0 by anyone. The difference between you and them is not necessarily anything more than that you met Atem or someone similar and they did not.

As a result, your pathetic attempt to "prove" your intellectual superiority is not only petty but also fundamentally flawed, and the only thing you have succeeded in proving is that you have completely and utterly failed to think any of this through.

honest to god i was thinking the exact same thing!

also 3 or 0, what about limiting things, shurly there is cards that dont hurt at 1, i.e stratos? night assailent?

also there is a differance between understanding the 3/0 concept , and being bad at the game, a lot of people on ukaypro are amazing at the game yet never use the 3/0 thing

[LarryCotter]

*takes a sip*

Personally, I wasn't familiar with 0/3 before, but I understood the advantages of it as I read this. I think that semi-ing is stupid indeed, and that all semis could be easily placed to 1 or 3. Therefore, the concept of 0/1/3 seems more likable to me.

But I don't care, and that's possibly why I don't make any sense.

[Crab Helmet]

(08-14-2009 09:05 AM)tonisanoob Wrote:  also 3 or 0, what about limiting things, shurly there is cards that dont hurt at 1, i.e stratos? night assailent?

Stratos self-interacts. Night Assailant self-interacts.

Recall that 3/0 is based around removing problems from the game when necessary and leaving everything at the highest number possible when no problem exists. While a list position like 1 Night Assailant might on the surface appear to violate 3/0 principles, the problem was never the Night Assailants themselves but rather the combo of Night Assailant + Night Assailant; thus, the decision is not so much "Night Assailant needs to be Limited" but rather "Night Assailant + Night Assailant needs to be banned".

[tonisanoob]

ooh i understand!

so 3/0 effectivly removes all problems from the game, instead of limiting cards, leaving for some overpowerd combos in anotherwise balanced meta?

[Crab Helmet]

(08-14-2009 10:33 AM)tonisanoob Wrote:  ooh i understand!

so 3/0 effectivly removes all problems from the game, instead of limiting cards, leaving for some overpowerd combos in anotherwise balanced meta?

I have no idea what you just attempted to say. I recommend a remedial typing class.

[Chaos Pudding]

ITT: YCM overestimates itself.

[Armadilloz]

(08-14-2009 11:12 AM)Chaos Pudding Wrote:  ITT: YCM overestimates itself.

At least its not GameFAQS, where MetalHyper makes a banlist that has everything at 3, and bans everything in and past Cybernetic Revoloution, except for the Cyber Dragons.
Add to it, that topic will get to about 8 pages.

[LarryCotter]

(08-14-2009 10:24 AM)Crab Helmet Wrote:  

(08-14-2009 09:05 AM)tonisanoob Wrote:  also 3 or 0, what about limiting things, shurly there is cards that dont hurt at 1, i.e stratos? night assailent?

Stratos self-interacts. Night Assailant self-interacts.

Recall that 3/0 is based around removing problems from the game when necessary and leaving everything at the highest number possible when no problem exists. While a list position like 1 Night Assailant might on the surface appear to violate 3/0 principles, the problem was never the Night Assailants themselves but rather the combo of Night Assailant + Night Assailant; thus, the decision is not so much "Night Assailant needs to be Limited" but rather "Night Assailant + Night Assailant needs to be banned".

How would you do that last one?
Make a list of moves that would be illegal?
Sorry for being a bit n00bish, but when compared to your almightyness, everyone sounds like a n00b.

[Crab Helmet]

(08-14-2009 11:55 AM)Armadilloz Wrote:  

(08-14-2009 11:12 AM)Chaos Pudding Wrote:  ITT: YCM overestimates itself.

At least its not GameFAQS, where MetalHyper makes a banlist that has everything at 3, and bans everything in and past Cybernetic Revoloution, except for the Cyber Dragons.
Add to it, that topic will get to about 8 pages.

But that's MetalHyper, who hasn't played in years and only shows up to insult GameFAQs.

(08-14-2009 12:13 PM)LarryCotter Wrote:  

(08-14-2009 10:24 AM)Crab Helmet Wrote:  

(08-14-2009 09:05 AM)tonisanoob Wrote:  also 3 or 0, what about limiting things, shurly there is cards that dont hurt at 1, i.e stratos? night assailent?

Stratos self-interacts. Night Assailant self-interacts.

Recall that 3/0 is based around removing problems from the game when necessary and leaving everything at the highest number possible when no problem exists. While a list position like 1 Night Assailant might on the surface appear to violate 3/0 principles, the problem was never the Night Assailants themselves but rather the combo of Night Assailant + Night Assailant; thus, the decision is not so much "Night Assailant needs to be Limited" but rather "Night Assailant + Night Assailant needs to be banned".

How would you do that last one?
Make a list of moves that would be illegal?

You would accomplish that last one by Limiting Night Assailant.

The method used to reach the goal is the same, but the rationale is very different. Most Konamilogic arguments for Limits take the form of "DDWL is too good, it should be limited to 1" or "Lightlords are too good, they should Limit Charge to make them weaker", but the argument here is "Night Assailant + Night Assailant is an unacceptable combo, so it must be dealt with".

Think of it this way: in most cases of unacceptable combos, the problem is removed by banning one of its components; for example, you would solve the Gearfried + Elma problem by banning Elma. Here, the problem combo is Night Assailant + Night Assailant, so e solve the problem by banning the second Night Assailant. We're not Limiting Night Assailant so much as banning Night Assailant #2.

(08-14-2009 12:13 PM)LarryCotter Wrote:  Sorry for being a bit n00bish, but when compared to your almightyness, everyone sounds like a n00b.

Yeah, that's great. Why don't you just roll over so I can stomp on the other side of your face now?

[Dweller of Parables]

lol
To even check those sights out is fail. Shame on you all.

Wrath of God this thread./topic