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**Rua** · 09-28-2009, 02:42 PM

I understand the comments made about classing, its very opinionated, I'll have to think about its future on this forum. While its a good idea if a member wants it, it doesn't lead to very useful comments after it.

As for CnC, if there is a problem spotted but the member noting it cannot tell them how to fix it, how about detailing how they think its wrong, that way the maker of the piece of GFX can see maybe a different point of view on elements and some problems that could become continuous could be researched into (if like Kiwi the member really wanted to improve)

♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥

(09-28-2009 06:29 AM)кוшוᴷᵁᴻ Wrote: The classing system is broken. However it gives a person a stand point as to how they compare with other artists. Not all people like competition, but for those who do, this system is quite helpful. Thus, adding the [CLASS] tag in the title of a thread suggests that the person would like to be informed of his standpoint in the gfxing world. However it is easy to be mislead by the classing system, so best leave it to experienced artists such as Shadius and Cyber Altair, who can provide a not always 100% accurate but relatively reliable opinion. To cap up, don't abolish classing as a whole, but leave it to those who are experienced artists and allow people to choose whether they would like their art classed through the addition of the [CLASS] tag in the thread title.

About cnc, it is often harsh, but sadly, the best way for an artist to improve. Prob's harsh cnc is what inspired me to improve and research each of the problems he pointed out on my pieces. However different people improve in different ways, so some people will not prefer the "full-on" approach. There is really not much you can do to fix this problem, as individuals vary. You can hold someones hand through making a piece and sugar coat everything you say, but that may result in them being dependent on this constant help, thus, becoming worse instead of improving their skills.

I highly disagree with CA.

And problematica, tea.leaf, and I have formed our own little team of harsh CnCing, but we cba to do anything yet.

problematica's only available usually on Fridays (and sometimes Thursday nights), and tea.leaf's temp. banned.

кוшוᴷᵁᴻ · 09-28-2009, 08:04 PM

(09-28-2009 05:45 PM)♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ Wrote:
(09-28-2009 06:29 AM)кוшוᴷᵁᴻ Wrote: The classing system is broken. However it gives a person a stand point as to how they compare with other artists. Not all people like competition, but for those who do, this system is quite helpful. Thus, adding the [CLASS] tag in the title of a thread suggests that the person would like to be informed of his standpoint in the gfxing world. However it is easy to be mislead by the classing system, so best leave it to experienced artists such as Shadius and Cyber Altair, who can provide a not always 100% accurate but relatively reliable opinion. To cap up, don't abolish classing as a whole, but leave it to those who are experienced artists and allow people to choose whether they would like their art classed through the addition of the [CLASS] tag in the thread title.

About cnc, it is often harsh, but sadly, the best way for an artist to improve. Prob's harsh cnc is what inspired me to improve and research each of the problems he pointed out on my pieces. However different people improve in different ways, so some people will not prefer the "full-on" approach. There is really not much you can do to fix this problem, as individuals vary. You can hold someones hand through making a piece and sugar coat everything you say, but that may result in them being dependent on this constant help, thus, becoming worse instead of improving their skills.

I highly disagree with CA.

And problematica, tea.leaf, and I have formed our own little team of harsh CnCing, but we cba to do anything yet.

problematica's only available usually on Fridays (and sometimes Thursday nights), and tea.leaf's temp. banned.

I would have included prob, but I haven't seen him on for a while. I thought he was inactive. However, although he may come off as overconfident at times, cyber altair is undeniably one of the best artists on this site. Furthermore, through his joining of a team, he has proven his capacity against the much higher levels of gfx ability found in pr.

But this isn't an argument about altair so w/e. I never heard that tealeaf did gfx, and I'm aware that you usually provide good, harsh cnc ^^

♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ · 09-28-2009, 10:20 PM

problematica is actually pretty active. He just doesn't post.

tea.leaf doesn't post in Showcase. But now he'd been perma'd, so he's out of YCM forever.

If CA is "undeniably one of the best artists on the site," I think you're a couple months outdated. His "art" has gotten a lot more worse. A lot more.

кוшוᴷᵁᴻ · 09-29-2009, 10:08 PM

(09-28-2009 10:20 PM)♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥ Wrote: If CA is "undeniably one of the best artists on the site," I think you're a couple months outdated. His "art" has gotten a lot more worse. A lot more.

I haven't seen his recent stuff so I wouldn't know =/

Kizzi · 09-30-2009, 01:14 PM

Sorry but I'm not very up-to-date on this topic and I can't be bothered reading it. I'm simply here to say that I agree that the class system is absolutely horrible and a stupid idea. So are [CLASS] tags.

Fuzzie · 10-04-2009, 08:42 PM

(09-27-2009 09:23 PM)TVL Wrote: I believe it is possible to regulate idiocy if proper measures are used.

Proper measures only work if the idocy is not widespread.

I believe that more suggestions and feedback should be required for Cnc, and even more for [Class].

Suggestions (Click to View)

It is simple enough, cut and dry, and may not entirely fix the problem, but if it is enforced, it can be very helpful, because members will actually become better at GFX, instead of feeling about an inch tall.

~AuXiLiArY~ · 10-07-2009, 09:36 PM

defintely i agree icyblue the first time i posted a sig here i was constantly told to leave this site cause I was so bad. That is unacceptable not just because it happened to me but because people that could really have potential are turned off to this section of the site. So in a brief summary CHANGE THIS.

Soul Legacy · 10-11-2009, 08:26 AM

Now, I haven't read through all the posts written here, but I can gather whats going on.

I agree, people should point out what you need to do to fix your problem and obviously tell them where the problem is. But I think that you should still be allowed to point out the problem even if you don't know how to fix it. You could simply tell them how it could look better in the sense, so the GFXers can go back and replace it with whats been suggested, and see if thats any better.

For the Class system, well, that I cannot really verdict. I don't mind it. But yes, sometimes you can get people giving you grief even if they don't know what there doing. So by all means take the Class system, it has its times when its good. But most of the time it can be, well...cloggy.

But anywho, I support the mods on the general idea. I understand that you make this section and the whole forum a nicer place and you don't get diddly squat for it sometimes; depending what case your in. And by what I can see you do get critized alot, but people have to understand that you as people can't please everyone. And that your views have to go with what see's fit. You also make this forum a flexible place for us, to expand are ideas and such; especially in this section and in CC. Your the ones that make the YCM World go round Very Happy

I hope that justifys my views.

~JG~ · 10-11-2009, 08:33 AM

I say, let's do something like on Crown Zero, where certain people can class, and only them, others will get warned and such. Like the Class Crew, but enforced this time.

Kizzi · 10-11-2009, 09:58 AM

(10-11-2009 08:33 AM)Paradoxial Wrote: I say, let's do something like on Crown Zero, where certain people can class, and only them, others will get warned and such. Like the Class Crew, but enforced this time.

That's a terrible idea.

~JG~ · 10-11-2009, 11:43 AM

(10-11-2009 09:58 AM)Kizzi Wrote:
(10-11-2009 08:33 AM)Paradoxial Wrote: I say, let's do something like on Crown Zero, where certain people can class, and only them, others will get warned and such. Like the Class Crew, but enforced this time.

That's a terrible idea.

What's your arguement?

Cyber Altair · 10-11-2009, 11:48 AM

Idiots exist, go figure.

Kizzi · 10-12-2009, 11:08 AM

(10-11-2009 11:43 AM)Paradoxial Wrote:
(10-11-2009 09:58 AM)Kizzi Wrote:
(10-11-2009 08:33 AM)Paradoxial Wrote: I say, let's do something like on Crown Zero, where certain people can class, and only them, others will get warned and such. Like the Class Crew, but enforced this time.

That's a terrible idea.

What's your arguement?

Since classing is so opinion-based, restricting people's opinions won't help. Besides, how would people be synchronized enough?

~JG~ · 10-12-2009, 11:15 AM

Because classing isn't all opinion based. Lets say we took Shadius, CA and harhar to be the classers, since they're the best on YCM. I'm willing to bet that they would all be at least reasonably close to each other in terms of the class.

GHawk · 10-12-2009, 01:11 PM

Yeah but when the would tell people their class and the perso thinks they are a higher then that class then they would get mad and start a big argument. And we dnt want that.

~JG~ · 10-12-2009, 02:48 PM

No, because then you shoudln't GFX if you don't believ eth people that are 10x better than oneself.

**Icyblue** · 10-15-2009, 04:39 PM

(10-11-2009 11:48 AM)Cyber Altair Wrote: Idiots exist, go figure.

Like the person I'm quoting right?
I don't like to see a single person singled out. You are all the same...

So lets see some workable solutions, without singling out specific users.

Fuzzie · 10-17-2009, 09:40 AM

*facepalm*

I gave some. I will find it if no one saw it.

Or maybe it was ignored.