Why do people hate Vanillas?

[TheCreator9464]

I know that this topic has probably been gone over like 100 times but I want to know why? What cause people to leave the Normal cards behind in favor of effects? I for one cannot make a single decent effect that hasn't already been done in some way. What I can do is create unique backstories for Normal monsters. Sadly No matter what I try, I recieve low ratings just because they are Normal cards.

I'm saddened by this and I wish for people to view the Normal cards as equals to the Effect cards. The Normals came first, They are the Original Yugioh cards. Why do we (as in YCM in general) hate them so?

[Bösitige Zauberer]

Boring, nothing to them at all.

Simply bland.

Nothing ground breaking, effects can change the outcome of a duel.

Blah blah blah

You're going to get the same answer over and over again.

[TheCreator9464]

That doesn't answer my question. Normals have a place within every deck. And seeing as how the cards made with this site can't be used in a duel, why does that matter? Normals can be interesting and unique without having to discard 3 cards or pay 700 Life Points. Their backstory can inspire new Ideas for Rps or tell you what kind of person that card maker is.

[Bösitige Zauberer]

(11-07-2009 02:35 AM)TheCreator9464 Wrote:  That doesn't answer my question. Normals have a place within every deck.

Well it sort of does, that would be the general answer you will be getting.

Not every card in the game can be put in every deck so normals can't be placed in every deck. You a specific deck just to run Normals and most people probably run Geminis over Normals.

' Wrote:And seeing as how the cards made with this site can't be used in a duel, why does that matter?

Actually there is away thanks to yangininja or whatever his name is. He created some programs that you could add custom cards to YVD and use them to duel. So there is a way.

' Wrote:Normals can be interesting and unique without having to discard 3 cards or pay 700 Life Points. Their backstory can inspire new Ideas for Rps or tell you what kind of person that card maker is.

Normals can be unique, but only really in their story. All the why create a card when you could simply make an RP? I don't see many people that would read a card and just inspired to make an RP. Also if you really want to know someone just ask them, you will only rarely see someone who would be put some feeling into what they are writing.

[TheCreator9464]

I can see that we have diffrent points of View on this subject.

Normals are what started Yugioh, like I said earlier. If they wern't meant to be used, then why were they made in the first place?

And when I said "used in a duel" I meant as in TCG. as in real cards and mats and stuff.

I didn't say it was likely people would be inspired. Also you are wrong, every author of every book has put their feelings into that book. For you to say that it happens rarely is a flasehood, Makeing a series of cards is like writing a book. You have to balance it out. A balanced card set includes Normal cards, Effect cards, Spell and Trap cards.

[Icyblue]

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/thread-144571.html

[TheCreator9464]

Yes I saw that thread. but I want to know why it stands alone. Why aren't there more threads supporting Normals? There is that thread, and the Vanilla Protectors club. 2 threads on the entire forum, thats sad.

[Bösitige Zauberer]

(11-07-2009 02:49 AM)TheCreator9464 Wrote:  I can see that we have diffrent points of View on this subject.

Yep, we certainly do.

' Wrote:Normals are what started Yugioh, like I said earlier. If they wern't meant to be used, then why were they made in the first place?

Well they did start the game, but things change. Well people finds ways to use them, so they aren't completely useless.

' Wrote:And when I said "used in a duel" I meant as in TCG. as in real cards and mats and stuff.

You can print them out, but you cannot use them officially.

' Wrote:I didn't say it was likely people would be inspired. Also you are wrong, every author of every book has put their feelings into that book.

Not every author, you can just write a book for the sake of writing a book.

' Wrote:For you to say that it happens rarely is a flasehood, Makeing a series of cards is like writing a book.

What word do you mean by 'flasehood'?

Well you have to take steps to do what you are doing.

Also a balance set doesn't necessarily need normals you can have a set without them. It is like saying you have to add a synchro/fusion monster to every set.

[Icyblue]

(11-07-2009 02:53 AM)TheCreator9464 Wrote:  Yes I saw that thread. but I want to know why it stands alone. Why aren't there more threads supporting Normals? There is that thread, and the Vanilla Protectors club. 2 threads on the entire forum, thats sad.

Thats all Normals are to most people... Flavor Text.

And it takes a different mindset to be open to them, due to the mass number of different kinds of cards running around. You cannot expect the masses to enjoy them as the select few do. Not to mention, since the best way to make them is with a Story in mind. And a large series of cards with S/T cards; this leaves out the whole Duel Terminal Formula (all Monster sets). Crippling a lot of cardmakers...

So imho, only make a Vanilla Set if you're dedicated to each card type and have an interest intelling a story with your cards (flavor text and cards tell).

Also, X-31... Stop doing that. It's not only annoying, but shows cowardice that you cannot take it as a single whole.

[Blamonchesix]

People don't hate it. Its just hard to be creative when the only thing you can put your style unto are the names, image, and flavor text.
In terms of dueling capabilities, Vanillas aren't exactly as useful as other Effect monsters. Vanillas have originality and style which is good, but they don't really give you a big advantage when you're actually using them to duel.

[TheCreator9464]

(11-07-2009 03:00 AM)Icyblue Wrote:  

(11-07-2009 02:53 AM)TheCreator9464 Wrote:  Yes I saw that thread. but I want to know why it stands alone. Why aren't there more threads supporting Normals? There is that thread, and the Vanilla Protectors club. 2 threads on the entire forum, thats sad.

Thats all Normals are to most people... Flavor Text.

And it takes a different mindset to be open to them, due to the mass number of different kinds of cards running around. You cannot expect the masses to enjoy them as the select few do. Not to mention, since the best way to make them is with a Story in mind. And a large series of cards with S/T cards; this leaves out the whole Duel Terminal Formula (all Monster sets). Crippling a lot of cardmakers...

So imho, only make a Vanilla Set if you're dedicated to each card type and have an interest intelling a story with your cards (flavor text and cards tell).

Also, X-31... Stop doing that. It's not only annoying, but shows cowardice that you cannot take it as a single whole.

I really think people need to open their minds to this kind of Idea. I have several Normal card sets with a story behind them, they all just got shot down though. I won't make a set with just Normals, Traps and Spells but I will also throw in Effects and Fusions. I won't make Synchros, I hate them.

[♥ RåŝρӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥]

No seriously, I don't find a reason to hate Vanillas, you guys give the worst excuses to hate Vanillas.

I'm serious.

I mean, don't hate stuff for being "Boring" or "Useless"

You call Blue-Eyes Ultimate Boring?

Ya know something, some REAL Vanillas don't have support. Like Snapesnatch, or- wait, what's the name?

Anyways, I know the answer is no different from why people hate dull effects.

Sometimes, people hate both Fake Types and Vanillas. IMO, Everyone should like either, or like both.

Hating both = Bad.

[Bösitige Zauberer]

(11-07-2009 03:00 AM)Icyblue Wrote:  Also, X-31... Stop doing that. It's not only annoying, but shows cowardice that you cannot take it as a single whole.

Well it might be annoying, but not much to it.

Also it doesn't really show how I am coward, just never felt like making much use of them.

[TheCreator9464]

(11-07-2009 03:04 AM)Blamonchesix Wrote:  People don't hate it. Its just hard to be creative when the only thing you can put your style unto are the names, image, and flavor text.
In terms of dueling capabilities, Vanillas aren't exactly as useful as other Effect monsters. Vanillas have originality and style which is good, but they don't really give you a big advantage when you're actually using them to duel.

They don't need to. Look at Blue Eyes White Dragon for example. It can add alot to a deck and its a Normal. Same for Red Eyes B. Dragon.

[♥ RåŝρӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥]

Oh yes, you'll never need support.

As long as there is a card that supports its Archtype, Type, Subtypee - Wait, Vanillas don't have a Subtype! Attribute or Level, its OK. The Vanilla will be useful then. It has no need support for the specific monster.

[Blamonchesix]

(11-07-2009 03:07 AM)TheCreator9464 Wrote:  

(11-07-2009 03:04 AM)Blamonchesix Wrote:  People don't hate it. Its just hard to be creative when the only thing you can put your style unto are the names, image, and flavor text.
In terms of dueling capabilities, Vanillas aren't exactly as useful as other Effect monsters. Vanillas have originality and style which is good, but they don't really give you a big advantage when you're actually using them to duel.

They don't need to. Look at Blue Eyes White Dragon for example. It can add alot to a deck and its a Normal. Same for Red Eyes B. Dragon.

Yes. Blue Eyes White Dragon is the most powerful Normal LV 8 Monster which makes him an ideal icon card. But given a choice with say a Dragon Deck and you can only put 1 more card, would you rather have Blue Eyes, or a Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon?

The Normal monsters which I consider quite useful without any other support are:
- LV 6 - Frostosaurus
and
- LV 4 - Gene-Warped Warwolf

I don't hate vanillas. I just don't like them forced to be liked to other people. XP

[TheCreator9464]

for one, I'm not focing people to like them. I just want to know why the people who do don't stand up for them. And Darkness Metal wouldn't even exist without Red Eyes B. Dragon which is a Normal.

[Jonny]

Or look at Dark Magician thats a good example.

[Blamonchesix]

(11-07-2009 03:36 AM)TheCreator9464 Wrote:  for one, I'm not focing people to like them. I just want to know why the people who do don't stand up for them. And Darkness Metal wouldn't even exist without Red Eyes B. Dragon which is a Normal.

Hmm... you have point.
I actually support and make vanillas too.
But personally, I just think that they're not as useful as those with effects in a duel. They're good for collecting though.

[jk233_ultimatemaster]

I'm probably going to guess that people hate Vanillas b/c they have no game changing effect, etc.

But personally, I don't hate vanillas