China and Japan's possible war

[Bull3tM0nk3y]

Well, if you've paid attention to the Eastern World in the last 1000 years, China and Japan have been fudes.

 

 

But this time, in 2012, China is now attacking Japan.

 

Japanese factories, sushi restaurants, and many more Japanese icons in China are being taken down, set on fire, and destroyed completely.

 

 

And what's all of this for?

 

 

A series of small islands between the two.

 

Ugh...

 

 

Anyways, this could lead into a massive war.

 

 

And not to sound mean or anything, but this could be very interesting...

 

 

China has a very massive army, but it is low on technology. While Japan has no army, only a defense force, it has very high technology powers.

 

 

Let's just hope this doesn't get too serious, otherwise the UN might get involved.

 

 

Discuss.

 

 

EDIT:

 

Some links. I will add more.

 

 

http://www.washingto...da3d_video.html

 

http://online.wsj.co...=googlenews_wsj

 

http://rt.com/news/c...ar-panetta-290/

 

http://nvonews.com/2...words-continue/

 

 

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120917x1.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/9547180/Japans-ambassador-to-China-dies-amid-rising-tensions.html

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

Could you link up some articles to this? I am woefully ignorant of this subject.

 

However, going off of what you stated, China would have the advantage. They are going through a technological revolution (if you haven't seen gas prices, this is one of the reasons they are so high) and have massive manpower. And most of the United States' money to boot. However, the UN would most likely support Japan if it is being attacked with little provocation. At which point World War 3 becomes practically imminent. Not that we aren't basically in it already the way US is making enemies.

[Bull3tM0nk3y]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/anti-japan-protesters-clash-with-riot-police-in-china/2012/09/17/d5352a99-f3dc-40ae-bc5e-486f0b9dda3d_video.html

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443816804578002603417771588.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

http://rt.com/news/china-japan-war-panetta-290/

 

http://nvonews.com/2012/09/18/china-japan-island-dispute-and-war-of-words-continue/

 

 

These should help.

 

EDIT: More:

 

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120917x1.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/9547180/Japans-ambassador-to-China-dies-amid-rising-tensions.html

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

IMO, the best way to handle it is to have it declared dual ownership by both the Japanese and the Chinese. Or give it to Taiwan, and tell them both to shove off.

 

There really isn't going to be a good answer, because Idk that the UN has enough power (or should, for that matter) to decide it for them. Because they are both like two kids demanding ownership of a toy, except they don't have an adult to tell them to share.

 

Also, thanks for the links.

[Garthfunkle Vii Backwards]

  On 9/18/2012 at 12:47 AM, GodWynn said:

However, going off of what you stated, China would have the advantage. They are going through a technological revolution

this is true they now alot of people have cars and use them daily drive-tru fast food computers

in the last 10 - 12 years

[ihop]

  On 9/18/2012 at 8:42 AM, Garthfunkle Vii Backwards said:

this is true they now alot of people have cars and use them daily drive-tru fast food computers

in the last 10 - 12 years

 

Brilliant, so now chinese people can win a war by throwing burgers at people.

[Garthfunkle Vii Backwards]

  On 9/18/2012 at 9:13 AM, Kabasaurus said:

Brilliant, so now chinese people can win a war by throwing burgers at people.

like they need them to feed their people

first fast food franchise owners in china had to endure many tests of patience not only with their newly required employees but with the customers as well owner had to teach the employees about the drive thru then employee and the customers as the owner found it a requirement for constant refresher courses as he/she had to explain it to customers (i found this very very funny) there a video of this online youtube might still have it

sure they got some tech now but it will be at least 5 years to 10 years before the become acustomed to it

[ihop]

Fast food stores to feed people? Their whole army would look like this-

 

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Let me speak since I probably know about Japan more than anyone else in this site.

 

A majority of the Japanese population doesn't care a s*** about China right now, believe it or not. It's a one-way hate coming from China. Why? Because Japan is obsessed with destroying South Korea right now.

 

Yes, South Korea. The conflicts with South Korea are far more severe than that with China, at least in terms of public interest. The Olympic problem, Lee Myung-Bak telling the Emperor to bow down before him, etc. all that random stuff. In other words, absolute rubbish.

 

Conflicts with China have been sort of a "necesarry" thing throughout history, and we're so used to it we don't care anymore. Most of us care more about South Korea, 'cause we can't understand why they're so hardheaded when their whole economy is basically dependant on Japan a.k.a. the only real major force they have a relationship with.

 

The thing is, the other countries don't care a s*** about a country like South Korea, and they only care about China V.S. Japan. This problem is honestly - I don't know how to put it, rather "overrated", and it's safe to say the chances of these two countries fighting are zero. Japan doesn't want to fight first, since then they'd lose their status as the but-I'm-so-innocent type of country with twinkly sparkling anime moe-shojyo eyes. And China doesn't want to attack first either, given its economy is dependant on the other major forces (aside Japan, U.S., Europe, etc. Which, by the way, are all allies of Japan). You can't mess with the major forces. That means death.

 

BTW, in terms of history and national law, both Takeshima and Senkaku are 100% confirmed to be Japanese territory. Thing is, it's not really a matter about logic anymore. It's about patriots, pride, and bloody history. The world moves around emotions, not the law.

[ihop]

Japan is a "but I'm so innocent" country? Pretty sure they were one of the main forces behind World War 2.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

  On 9/18/2012 at 1:41 PM, Kabasaurus said:

Japan is a "but I'm so innocent" country? Pretty sure they were one of the main forces behind World War 2.

 

It was. But this should explain why that doesn't matter.

 

"The military history of Japan is characterized by a long period of feudal wars, followed by domestic stability, and then rampant imperialism. It culminates with Japan's defeat by the Allies in World War II. Since then, Japan's constitution has prohibited the use of military force to wage war against other nations."

[DARKPLANT RISING]

  On 9/18/2012 at 1:41 PM, Kabasaurus said:

Japan is a "but I'm so innocent" country? Pretty sure they were one of the main forces behind World War 2.

You do realize the Japanese government once collapsed after WWII eneded and the one that is there right now is a completely different system, right?

 

Okay, so maybe the one there right now is just as crappy as the one before, but at least it doesn't go declare war at a country with 70 times the economical influence.

[Guest Archbaron Striker]

Wynn, the only reason Japan can't declare war against another nation is because America told them they couldn't. Yay for WW2![/inb4wrong]

[DARKPLANT RISING]

  On 9/18/2012 at 2:18 PM, Archbaron Striker said:

Wynn, the only reason Japan can't declare war against another nation is because America told them they couldn't. Yay for WW2![/inb4wrong]

A majority of the Japanese population is terribly negative against war involving themselves. If the government tries to start a war, the minister'll be assassinated before he can declare it.

[Guest Archbaron Striker]

Japan still remembers what happened the last time they declared war; two atomic bombs came their way. Now that's a good reason to not go back to war.

[Tourmaline]

Whether or not one is in the crosshairs of any bloody atomic bomb or military, war should never be considered unless necessary. Tell me what country consistently benefits from going to war and tell me which civilization enjoys or advocates the war itself and not the consequences to the opponent. Pacifism is much better than any sort of aggression.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

  On 9/18/2012 at 2:35 PM, Archbaron Striker said:

Japan still remembers what happened the last time they declared war; two atomic bombs came their way. Now that's a good reason to not go back to war.

 

I honestly think that in the case with the two atomic bombs, U.S. was far more evil than Japan.

 

Japan was just a lab rat for an experiment on how much the bombs'd wreck and kill. The way you say it like we deserved them - no f***ing no, stop it.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

I was quoting Wikipedia, Striker. Still, I kinda want to say it.

 

Viva 'mericuh.

[CinnamonStar]

The headlines should be more like

"But this time, in 2012, Japan and South Korea are still having disputes over Takeshima/Dokdo/ugly rocks in the sea."

 

There are natural ressources there and nationalists are clinging unto it for territorial seasons.

 

The history between both countries is more complicated than that, but I just wished the Korean government would accept to hand the case to the ICJ and get over with the sh*t.=/

Although that would probably make space for the next issue on the list.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

  On 9/18/2012 at 3:09 PM, Archbaroness Cinnabonbon said:

I just wished the Korean government would accept to hand the case to the ICJ and get over with the sh*t.=/

 

The Korean government knows that in terms of national law, it's impossible to win the case. Why would they agree to go to the ICJ?

[bury the year]

They're not going to go to war. This is merely fuel on the fire for China. Japan's purchase of Diaoyu/Senkaku coincides with the anniversary of the start of Japan's invasion and occupation of China, as well as takes over a large EEZ for fishing and possible oil reserves. If China was foolish enough to attack Japan, I think it would outright sever the tenuous political ties the US has to them, and that isn't something they want to risk.

[Garthfunkle Vii Backwards]

  On 9/18/2012 at 3:09 PM, Archbaroness Cinnabonbon said:

The history between both countries is more complicated than that,

china was like japan big brother showing him the way and new stuff then sibling dispute broke out then they made up then anthor dispute now japan is all grown up and doesnt see china as that "big cool brother" anymore

 

something like that

[CinnamonStar]

  On 9/18/2012 at 4:31 PM, Garthfunkle Vii Backwards said:

china was like japan big brother showing him the way and new stuff then sibling dispute broke out then they made up then anthor dispute now japan is all grown up and doesnt see china as that "big cool brother" anymore

 

something like that

 

I was referring to the relationship between Japan and South Korea.

Tensions with China have always been there, but they aren't as relevant and it's unlikely that something noticeable will come out of them.

The other tensions on the other hand...

 

  On 9/18/2012 at 3:11 PM, Darkplant - VENOM said:

The Korean government knows that in terms of national law, it's impossible to win the case. Why would they agree to go to the ICJ?

 

I know they won't because that's not how politics work. But if anything, it would make them look at least fair and surely less stupid than sending "Dokdo Riders" across the country or setting yourself on fire on a public place. Plus it's obvious that both countries are unable to settle the dispute between themselves or admit culpability in most issues. I can't see this coming to an end unless an instance outside of these 2 solves it.:/

 

But then again, I grew up abroad, haven't been surrounded by the whole controversies throughout my life and Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt has little relevance to me besides being small, barely inhabitable rocks in the sea.

[Guest .Rai]

I have bits of Chinese heritage so I heard about this.

 

Darkplant pretty much summed it up. Besides, China would be insanely stupid to even think about attacking Japan frankly because it would sever their ties with everyone. There's always been tension between China and Japan.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

  On 9/18/2012 at 5:08 PM, Archbaroness Cinnabonbon said:

Plus it's obvious that both countries are unable to settle the dispute between themselves or admit culpability in most issues. I can't see this coming to an end unless an instance outside of these 2 solves it.:/

 

But then again, I grew up abroad, haven't been surrounded by the whole controversies throughout my life and Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt has little relevance to me besides being small, barely inhabitable rocks in the sea.

You sorta summed up the reason why the other major forces don't give a s*** about Takeshima.

 

Syria is without doubt the most f***ed-up government around there right now, if you actually consider it to be a government. But does the UN go do something? Not at all. Why? Because the U.S. doesn't care about them. They don't have oil, technology, national authority, anything the U.S. wants from them. Libya was destroyed just because the U.S. wanted its oil, but Syria is left to die on its own. See, the major forces don't want to interfere with national problems they don'y gain from.

 

Takeshima has a lot of natural resources, but it's only important to Japan and South Korea. America doesn't care. They've left us to solve this on our own, which, by definition of South Korea, we can't.

 

It's a stupid world.