D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 [center][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120530134329/yugioh/images/thumb/2/23/HarpiesFeatherDuster-BP01-EN-R-1E.png/300px-HarpiesFeatherDuster-BP01-EN-R-1E.png[/img][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120530134642/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d3/Raigeki-BP01-EN-R-1E.png/300px-Raigeki-BP01-EN-R-1E.png[/img][/center] [center]If Heavy & DH were to be swapped for these, do you think the meta could handle it? Are these still to broken to be knocked up to limited?[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Why would you swap DH and heavy for more broken versions of them. Why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Dark Hole and Heavy Storm are still staples because they blow up multiple cards by themselves. What do YOU think what will happen when more powerful version of both Heavy Storm and Raigeki come back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 They destroy all cards without any sort of cost or harm to yourself. Sure, they're balanced and perfect for this meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='♥ D.A._Endermen ♥' timestamp='1349202100' post='6036509'] Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none. [/quote] Counterability does not imply balance in any way, shape, or form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='♥ D.A._Endermen ♥' timestamp='1349202100' post='6036509'] Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none. [/quote] The issues is that they are still broken :/ getting to partially nuke the field for playing 1 card is bad design initself and these wreak of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I honestly, like these cards They're still horribly broken, and whoever uses them should be ashamed, but I wuv Raigeki. It wasnt as useful back then, imo, since most people only ever had around 1-2 monsters/spells and traps around anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='♥ D.A._Endermen ♥' timestamp='1349202100' post='6036509'] Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none. [/quote]And they're not usable now... why? At least Dark Hole and Heavy can come with a cost if you have your own cards on the field. And many people have even called for THEM to be banned. Why the hell would we swap them for a worse option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 There's not much to be said here. While it is [b]sometimes[/b] advantageous to destroy your own cards with Heavy Storm or Dark Hole, it is not so always. Harpies Feather Duster and Raigeki remove the downside entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 The only reason these would ever come off the banlist is to make Konami money. That is the only possible sane reason for them coming off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I get the feeling TC is implying that nobody uses Dark Hole/Storm while they control any cards, and is saying that Duster + Geki would do damn near the exact same thing if they swapped. At first glance, yes, it could work. But then, if you think about it, you realize you would just let people swarm for game, and then play Raigei/Duster on any defense you set up, to try and make a counter attack. So yea, its a very bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zowayix Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Harpie's Feather Duster was unbelievably buffed from the anime. Its original effect was something along the lines of "Destroy a number of S/T your opponent controls up to the number of "Harpie" monsters you control." Either that, or it was simply "If you control a "Harpie" monster: Destroy all S/T your opponent controls." That said, I'd like a version of Raigeki with the effect "At the start of your Main Phase 1: Destroy all monsters your opponent controls, then proceed to your End Phase." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 If they brought back Raigeki instead of Dark Hole, my Golem Swap deck would become even more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 im pretty sure the meta can handle these cards, people can swarm the field with monsters in most decks in one turn. plus noobs would just misuse these cards when their opponent only has 2 monsters or spell/traps or even just 1, i should know, it happened to me a few times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Uh, no. The meta cannot handle these cards. They are strictly better versions of cards that have been banned before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 previously banned because people were butthurt over them (and some are still are) and constantly bitched and moaned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 You're a fool if you can't see how broken these two are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 oh i know theyre very broken, so are inzektors, six sams, and stardust assault mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The difference is that they are where they need to be on the list. Saying that because the game is full of broken cards we can add more broken cards is idiotic; it would only make it worse. And FYI, SD/AM is hardly as good as it used to be. Warning kills a lot of its playability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 fair enough, id still like to see how things would go if they became limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 - MST + HFD - Torrential + Raigeki ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yeah. It simply reduces the modest tactics required to use Heavy Storm or Dark Hole. For example: Player A: Some field of swarmed crap. I dunno, Chaos Dragons or something. Player B: 1 set monster (it's Marshmallon, because Marshmallon is a predatory marshmallow melon) Player A is concerned about Player B's monster. But Player A can't do s*** about it, because using Dark Hole would be counterproductive. But Player A [i]can[/i] use Raigeki, and it isn't a waste, because if he uses it, he will win this turn. Or, put more generally, with Dark Hole, you always know you are safe as long as the number of monsters you control is equal to or less than the number of monsters your opponent controls, because if your opponent plays Dark Hole when you have equal or fewer monsters, they're just screwing themselves. Raigeki doesn't come with the same insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Dr. Cakey Arclight' timestamp='1349275703' post='6037019'] Or, put more generally, with Dark Hole, you always know you are safe as long as the number of monsters you control is equal to or less than the number of monsters your opponent controls, because if your opponent plays Dark Hole when you have equal or fewer monsters, they're just screwing themselves. Raigeki doesn't come with the same insurance. [/quote] Not always true. If I have 3 Scapegoat tokens versus your Five Headed Dragon, Dark Hole is still productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1349276264' post='6037021'] Not always true. If I have 3 Scapegoat tokens versus your Five Headed Dragon, Dark Hole is still productive. [/quote] Curses? Foiled again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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