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HFD & Raigeki

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If Heavy & DH were to be swapped for these, do you think the meta could handle it? Are these still to broken to be knocked up to limited?


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Why would you swap DH and heavy for more broken versions of them.

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Dark Hole and Heavy Storm are still staples because they blow up multiple cards by themselves.

What do YOU think what will happen when more powerful version of both Heavy Storm and Raigeki come back? :mellow:
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They destroy all cards without any sort of cost or harm to yourself. Sure, they're balanced and perfect for this meta.

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Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none.

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Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none.

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Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none.


The issues is that they are still broken :/ getting to partially nuke the field for playing 1 card is bad design initself and these wreak of it.

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I honestly, like these cards

They're still horribly broken, and whoever uses them should be ashamed, but I wuv Raigeki.

It wasnt as useful back then, imo, since most people only ever had around 1-2 monsters/spells and traps around anyway

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Well, now there's alot more destruction prevention. Unlike the old days back when these were usable which had none.

And they're not usable now... why?

At least Dark Hole and Heavy can come with a cost if you have your own cards on the field. And many people have even called for THEM to be banned. Why the hell would we swap them for a worse option?

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There's not much to be said here.
While it is sometimes advantageous to destroy your own cards with Heavy Storm or Dark Hole, it is not so always.
Harpies Feather Duster and Raigeki remove the downside entirely.

As I always said in the past, the game does not work at a human level logic, but with its own logic.

To understand this game, you must understand the game's logic. It does not follow obvious situations that the humans playing can see and stays very localized in the current timing.


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The only reason these would ever come off the banlist is to make Konami money.

That is the only possible sane reason for them coming off.

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I get the feeling TC is implying that nobody uses Dark Hole/Storm while they control any cards, and is saying that Duster + Geki would do damn near the exact same thing if they swapped.
At first glance, yes, it could work.
But then, if you think about it, you realize you would just let people swarm for game, and then play Raigei/Duster on any defense you set up, to try and make a counter attack.
So yea, its a very bad idea.
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Harpie's Feather Duster was unbelievably buffed from the anime. Its original effect was something along the lines of "Destroy a number of S/T your opponent controls up to the number of "Harpie" monsters you control." Either that, or it was simply "If you control a "Harpie" monster: Destroy all S/T your opponent controls."

That said, I'd like a version of Raigeki with the effect "At the start of your Main Phase 1: Destroy all monsters your opponent controls, then proceed to your End Phase."
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If they brought back Raigeki instead of Dark Hole, my Golem Swap deck would become even more powerful.

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im pretty sure the meta can handle these cards, people can swarm the field with monsters in most decks in one turn. plus noobs would just misuse these cards when their opponent only has 2 monsters or spell/traps or even just 1, i should know, it happened to me a few times
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Uh, no.
The meta cannot handle these cards. They are strictly better versions of cards that have been banned before.

As I always said in the past, the game does not work at a human level logic, but with its own logic.

To understand this game, you must understand the game's logic. It does not follow obvious situations that the humans playing can see and stays very localized in the current timing.


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previously banned because people were butthurt over them (and some are still are) and constantly jabronied and moaned
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You're a fool if you can't see how broken these two are.

As I always said in the past, the game does not work at a human level logic, but with its own logic.

To understand this game, you must understand the game's logic. It does not follow obvious situations that the humans playing can see and stays very localized in the current timing.


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oh i know theyre very broken, so are inzektors, six sams, and stardust assault mode
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The difference is that they are where they need to be on the list.
Saying that because the game is full of broken cards we can add more broken cards is idiotic; it would only make it worse.

And FYI, SD/AM is hardly as good as it used to be. Warning kills a lot of its playability.

As I always said in the past, the game does not work at a human level logic, but with its own logic.

To understand this game, you must understand the game's logic. It does not follow obvious situations that the humans playing can see and stays very localized in the current timing.





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