Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 As you all know, my tournies have a unique format and from now on I'm going to solidify that format. Main/Extra Deck are allowed to contain (both combined): 0-1 Game Breaker 0-1 Limiter 0-2 Skills with the same name 0-2 Supporters with the same name 3 copies of only 1 Unlimited Card All other cards now have a Max Copy capacity at 2. Other Rules: Extra Deck monsters cannot attack the turn they are Summoned from the Extra Deck. [spoiler=Chance Format Ban List] [spoiler=Banned] Atlantean Dragoons (New) Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning Sangan (from Special Limited) Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity (From Power Limited) Gateway of the Six (From Power Limited) [/spoiler] [spoiler=Game Breakers] Exodia, the Forbidden OneDark Armed DragonElemental HERO StratosGorz, The Emissary of DarknessInzektor DragonflyInzektor HornetMorphing JarNecrofaceRed-Eyes Darkness Metal DragonLegendary Six Samurai - Shi EnEvigishki GustkrakenBlack WhirlwindCard DestructionDark Hole Divine Judgment of the Spellbooks (New)Heavy StormLimiter RemovalMind ControlMonster Reborn Pot of Avarice (From Special Limited) Return from the Different DimensionSolemn JudgmentUltimate Offering [/spoiler] [spoiler=Limiters]Left Arm of the Forbidden One Right Arm of the Forbidden One Left Leg of the Forbidden One Right Leg of the Forbidden OneChaos SorcererBlackwing - Gale the WhirlwindDandylionGladiator Beast BestiariHonest Lonefire Blossom (From Power Limited)MezukiNeo-Spacian Grand MoleNight AssailantPlague SpreaderT.G. Striker Wind-Up Magician (New)Formula Synchron T.G. Hyper Librarian (From Power Limited) Hieratic Dragon King of Atum (New)Allure of DarknessBook of MoonBurial from the Different DimensionCharge of the Light BrigadeFoolish Burial Infernity Launcher (From Power Limited)Monster GateOne for One One Day of Peace (New)Reinforcement of the ArmyScapegoatCeasefire (From Power Limited) Magical Explosion Solemn Warning (From Power Semi-Limited)The Transmigration ProphecyWall of Revealing Light [/spoiler] [spoiler=Skills]Archlord Kristya High Priestess of Prophecy (New) Machina Fortress (New) Mermail Abyssmegalo (New)Rescue RabbitTragoediaChain Strike Fire Formation - Tenki (New)Royal TributeBottomless Trap HoleMirror ForceTorrential Tribute [/spoiler] [spoiler=Supporters]Card Trooper Debris Dragon (From Power Semi-Limited) Geargiarmor (New)Destiny HERO - MaliciousSummoner MonkReborn Tengu The Agent of Mysteries - Earth (From Power Semi-Limited) Thunder King Rai-Oh (New) Tour Guide of the Underworld (From Power Semi-Limited) Tsukuyomi (From Special Limited)Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice BarrierA Hero Lives (From Power Semi-Limited) Adcanced Ritual Art (From Special Limited) E - Emergency Call (From Power Semi-Limited) Hieratic Seal of Convocation (From Power Semi-Limited) Magical Stone Excavation Pot of Duality (From Power Semi-Limited)ReasoningOjama Trio [/spoiler] [spoiler=No longer on the lists]Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow Spore Primal Seed Shien's Smoke Signal Mind Crush [/spoiler] [/spoiler] [spoiler=Format Staples] Monsters: Effect Veiler Spells: Mystical Space Typhoon Forbidden LanceTraps: Compulsory Evacuation Device Dimensional Prison Fiendish Chain Extra Deck: [/spoiler] [spoiler=Potential Techs/Sides]Monsters: Spells: Traps: [/spoiler] [spoiler=Meta][spoiler=Top Meta For Chance Tournament V] Machina Genex Machina Gadget Karakuri Merlantians Fire Fist Spellbooks Undermeta: Gladiator Beasts Dark World Chaos Stun Madolche [/spoiler] Top Meta for Chance Tournament VI: N/A Undermeta: N/A [/spoiler] Discuss gamplays, potent deck builds, etc. All YCM rules apply, now go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Welp, I guess to start we can discuss what should be considered staples. I'd say at the very least, compulse is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Since you said both,does that mean i pick two conditions or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351186136' post='6053676'] Since you said both,does that mean i pick two conditions or? [/quote] It means that all those conditions apply altogether. If you have a limited extra deck card then you cant have a limited card in your main deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 @D.A. - Add in D. Prison, and MST. Those are still pretty good also. @Mido: When I mean't both Main and Extra Deck combined it means that if you have, let's say, Formula Synchron in your Extra, you can't have Gorz in your Main Deck, even if you sided. Same applies to Semi-Limits and the unlimited card at 3. I was hanzo'ed by D.A. .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Agreed on the D-Prison and Myst, those are typically run at 2 anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Which actually makes them all the better. Also, is it safe to add Dust Tornado and Night Beam? Those have seen a little if not more play lately O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Format seems interesting. Mostly, you are basically without your usual staples, so the format seems a little more skill based then simply topdecking Reborn for game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1351186640' post='6053691'] Format seems interesting. Mostly, you are basically without your usual staples, so the format seems a little more skill based then simply topdecking Reborn for game. [/quote] That was actually the base point. OH! and forgot about that Extra Deck Summon sickness rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1351186567' post='6053689'] Which actually makes them all the better. Also, is it safe to add Dust Tornado and Night Beam? Those have seen a little if not more play lately O_o [/quote] Yeah they're pretty decent cards. This I guess would mostly be tech but Silver Sentinel is a pretty good counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Dat Silver Senti...oh what fun. Still not so sure it's a good staple though. It's definite side material along with Cyber Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 To start with: I support the format. It limits even more the cards that are Limited and Semi-Limited for a reason and promotes the player to be smart with his/her Deck and card choices (specially with the card you should run at 3). Also good but underused cards now have a place because with the "adaptation" of an standard Deck (that usually run 3 copies a several cards and 5+ Limited and Semi-Limited cards) to this format a lot of space is generated. Card searchers of any kind become precious tools in this format. If I am not mistaken the purpose of this format is to slow down duels in contrast to the official one, and it's actually effective at that: OTKs are less common, but at the same time rarely the opponent will blow off your entire field in a single turn while keeping advantage. I also like how it gives underused or low tiers Decks a chance to shine: For instance, Jurracs, with the aid of "Fossil Dig", might be able to stand against DWs, HEROs and otherwise Meta Decks. [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1351183209' post='6053637'] 3 copies of only 1 Unlimited Card All other cards now have a Max Copy capacity at 2. [/quote] These 2 rules are what impact Decks the most. A Deck can easily be left with all Limited or Semi-Limited card replaced by generic, unlimited cards, but only running 2 copies of each card except 1 reduces the consistency, hence the reliance on searchers or +0 cards. On the other hand, these rules promotes creativity because a player may choose to "fill" the Deck for key monsters from another archetype, or with an small engine. For instance, since I run a Machine-Themed Deck in this Tournament I added a Gadget engine, which doesn't work that bad, but another choice I had was to fill the space with generic Traps. Staples on this format? Probably: - MST - Compulsory - Forbidden Lance - Dark Bribe And if there is still space: - Dimensional Prison - Safe Zone - Night Beam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I normally run Night beams, and alot of 1 for 1 monster removal [as evident in my duels against darklink]. Heck even cardcar D can do well in this format though I have not seen anyone play it yet besides me. Heck with as many traps that go around jinzo and royal decree could techinically be helpful in this format[well in my case kusanagi] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Adding Safe Zone, Lance and Bribe. With the reduction of the Solemn Brigade, other types of counters are actually alot more useful than before. Even the classic Seven Tools and Magic Drain can see play in the format. Also +1 frex. You pretty much covered entirely what the format was aimed to do in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Decree is a definite pain and could be considered anti-meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Royal Decree and Jinzo...Monarchs can see play again I hope konami makes this an actual format. Ouo I'd be very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Now what Limited and Semi's should be considered staples (if your deck has he room of course). I would say Bottomless is a dam good semi. Provides that necessary removal that you need to get rid of asap that odds are your opp. wont be able to receive back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 TBH, I think the unintentional effect (though it is a good one) was that Limited and Semi-Limited cards sort of...loose most of their focus and become mostly "Side" material, with a few exceptions. Like for example, Inzektors. They either become control based with Hornet in the Deck or Swarm based with Dragonfly, HEROes become either more "consistant" with E-Call or more field oriented with AHL, etc, etc. The "generic" ones though, basically come down to: Limited: BLS BoM Burial of D.D. Ceasefire Dark Hole DAD Foolish Formula Gorz Heavy Storm Honest Limiter Removal Mind Control Monster Gate Monster Reborn Grand Mole Assailant 1-4-1 Plaguespreader Avarice RotA Return from D.D. Sangan Scapegoat Judment Spore Librarian Transmigration Tsukuyumi Offering Wall of Light Semi: Bottomless Card Trooper Debris Dragon Magical Stone Mirror Force Oja Trio Duality Reasoning Warning Monk Torrential Tribute TGU Other than that, most of the cards are "Deck" specific so they can usually be seen a mile away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Heavy Storm, Dark Hole and Monster Reborn remain as Limited staples. I actually sided the latter 2 in my Deck, along Mind Control as I can both Synchro and Xyz Summon, but I wouldn't recommend this last card for every Deck. On the other hand, I wouldn't consider Book of Moon, Foolish Burial or One for one at all because chances are that Dark Hole/Heavy Storm will provide more advantage than those. I don't know if Solemn Judgment would be staple: I feel that Life Points in this format do make a difference. Semi-Limited: I agree on Botomless, and I would add Tour Guide as well since she remains splashable. Torrential Tribute should also be a good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Oh man, Ojam Trio would be crazy. (I think) Duelity would be a decent Semi choice since the format is slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 It would be safe to add Mirror Force then too. It could also provide that boost you need and it's a bit tougher to stop within this format. And Mind Control too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Something I was thinking about this whole time is if you let Dewloren not count as a Semi-limited card, but give it a rule that you can only play 2 of it max. It's only semi-limited because unfair interaction at 3. and other than that it's not a powerful enough card to be semi-limited. I don't think anyone would run 2, anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hmm...that's a very good point. Still, since it's still in it's early stages, maybe it's be best to let the format stay as is before "tampering" with it further, to see how things are though from the current looks of it, I'd agree with you 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 What I meant in the other thread was that I'd like to get it done due to anxiety and flow more than need to get it done As for the format... It pretty much makes certain decks the tier 1 for no real cost. If a deck uses an Extra as a toolbox and has a flexible set of usable monsters along with just a bit of consistent speed it can easily beat most of the other decks in the format. AKA it rewards stuff like Monarchs and heavily punishes anything that doesnt have a flexible deck for consistency or needs the extra. At least it seems to reward skillful plays... Monarchs dont need Jinzo in this format just like they dont need it normally. Its a tech and nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 TBH, Monarchs as much as they enjoy their Tributes and bonuses, don't seem to "escape" as much as one thinks. Other staple cards can really hammer down decks (lol sleepy using Soul Release against Dark Worlds). In a sense, the meta hammers down the band wagon of "I play solitaire" to "I'm going to have to think this through and play my best!" Of course...if problem decks still "pop-up" at any time, we can most likely fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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