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Newly Forbidden:
Burner, Dragon Ruler of Sparks (炎征竜-バーナー)
Lightning, Dragon Ruler of Drafts (風征竜-ライトニング)
Reactan, Dragon Ruler of Pebbles (地征竜-リアクタン)
Stream, Dragon Ruler of Droplets (水征竜-ストリーム)
Spellbook of Judgment (魔導書の神判)

Newly Limited:
Brotherhood of the Fire Fist – Rooster (立炎星-トウケイ)
Genex Ally Birdman (A・ジェネクス・バードマン)
Mermail Abyssteus (水精鱗-ディニクアビス)
Wind-Up Shark (ゼンマイシャーク)
Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (氷結界の龍 トリシューラ)
Number 11: Big Eye (No.11 ビッグ・アイ)
Divine Wind of Mist Valley (霞の谷の神風)
Super Rejuvenation (超再生能力)
Abyss-sphere (アビスフィアー)

Newly Semi-Limited:
Gladiator Beast Bestiari (剣闘獣ベストロウリィ)
Gorz the Emissary of Darkness (冥府の使者ゴーズ)
Neo-Spacian Grand Mole (N・グラン・モール)
Black Whirlwind (黒い旋風)
Fire Formation - Tenki
Chaos Sorcerer

Newly Unlimited:
Tsukuyomi (月読命)
Wind-Up Magician (ゼンマイマジシャン)
Advanced Ritual Art (高等儀式術)
E – Emergency Call (E-エマージェンシーコール)
Pot of Duality (強欲で謙虚な壺)
Scapegoat (スケープ・ゴート)
Mirror Force (聖なるバリア-ミラーフォース-)
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September 2013 confirmed banlist, give or take a few things like Diva iirc.

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While I agree with your forbidden list, I honestly can't see Ophion being limited.  He's more of a niche boss monster for a deck concept that barely has any synergy.  I really wouldn't like to see Secrets limited, since hitting Judgment would be enough for Spellbooks imo.  Other than that, I agree with everything else on the list.  I would also like to add:

 

Semi-Limited

 

Skill Drain (Might seem like a personal preference card, but this card shouldn't exist @3.  It provides many crippling effects to Decks that rely on monster effects on the field, while the effects of the deck that uses it are benign/beneficiary.)

 

Reckless Greed (It's a +1 that causes you to lose 2 draw phases.  Normally, wouldn't be a problem (unless if you open up into more ways to go through your deck faster), but it gets stupid when it is used in multiples since you still only lose 2 draw phases while being a +2+.  Semi-limiting this card would be a smart move.)


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My ideal banlist you say, not the one I expect. Well then it would probably look like this for me:

 

Banned:

Honest (Doesn't really need to be a thing in my book, it is just overkill, and Decks shouldn't just splash it cause they can)

Number 16: Shock Master (I think not a lot needs to be said, locks down many many Decks, and isn't even that hurtful to yourself most of the time, I would just like to see this go so other 3-mat Rank 4s could see the light of day more)

Skill Drain (I dislike you. End of story. But really, I dislike this card a lot, just playing it messes up everything. I just dislike this card okay?!)

Number 11: Big Eye (Can maybe stay if others go, but still, it is pretty cheap as it stands)

 

Limited:

Mecha Phantom Beast Dracossack (I like Mecha Phantoms, but other Decks seem to use this more, so while they need to keep their boss, other Decks shouldn't be able to abuse it in my opinion)

Thunder King Rai-Oh (I have always disliked this card. It isn't bad enough to ban, though I still dislike it enough for myself to have to put it at 1. It can possibly stay at 2 if we get rid of other problem cards and get more inherrent Special Summons again)

 

Semi-Limited

Wind-Up Magician (Now, I don't know that much about Deck, but I don't really think that it deserves to be at 1)

 

Unlimited:
Pot of Duality (This card really doesn't deserve the spot it has, the condition is fine as it is, and it takes a lot of skill. More and more Decks Special Summon, this isn't even useful is many Decks unless they can handle it)

Torrential Tribute (Honestly, I see no reason for a 2 on this one, I would never think of putting 3 of this guy in, and I would like Archfiends to have more things to use)

 

EDIT: Of course, what Koko and others have said I agree on, besides the things I changed of course, I should have mentioned that, and now we have all of the s*** below.


EDIT 2: It seems that I misunderstood. It wasn't what I wished for, but what would be the most ideal for the banlist to come (which makes sense, I just am a dumb).


Edited by Zazubat, 02 August 2013 - 09:26 AM.

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My ideal banlist you say, not the one I expect. Well then it would probably look like this for me:
 
Banned:
Honest (Doesn't really need to be a thing in my book, it is just overkill, and Decks shouldn't just splash it cause they can)
Number 16: Shock Master (I think not a lot needs to be said, locks down many many Decks, and isn't even that hurtful to yourself most of the time, I would just like to see this go so other 3-mat Rank 4s could see the light of day more)
Skill Drain (I dislike you. End of story. But really, I dislike this card a lot, just playing it messes up everything. I just dislike this card okay?!)
 
Limited:
Mecha Phantom Beast Dracossack (I like Mecha Phantoms, but other Decks seem to use this more, so while they need to keep their boss, other Decks shouldn't be able to abuse it in my opinion)
Thunder King Rai-Oh (I have always disliked this card. It isn't bad enough to ban, though I still dislike it enough for myself to have to put it at 1. It can possibly stay at 2 if we get rid of other problem cards and get more inherrent Special Summons again)
 
Semi-Limited
Wind-Up Magician (Now, I don't know that much about Deck, but I don't really think that it deserves to be at 1)
 
Unlimited:
Pot of Duality (This card really doesn't deserve the spot it has, the condition is fine as it is, and it takes a lot of skill. More and more Decks Special Summon, this isn't even useful is many Decks unless they can handle it)
Torrential Tribute (Honestly, I see no reason for a 2 on this one, I would never think of putting 3 of this guy in, and I would like Archfiends to have more things to use)


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Have fun with your format!

I didn't mention what I thought was obvious, such as the dragons and what not.


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I didn't mention what I thought was obvious, such as the dragons and what not.


The placements on the Dragons are subjective. This is to promote discussion on what we think will happen, not what we want to. Therefore, leaving them out means you did not touch them. Every placement should be acknowledged.

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I didn't mention what I thought was obvious, such as the dragons and what not.


My ideal banlist you say, not the one I expect. Well then it would probably look like this for me:

My ideal banlist you say

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The placements on the Dragons are subjective. This is to promote discussion on what we think will happen, not what we want to.

"Only one post for your ideal banlist."

 

So not what you said in the first post?


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My ideal banlist you say, not the one I expect. Well then it would probably look like this for me:

 

Banned:

Honest (Doesn't really need to be a thing in my book, it is just overkill, and Decks shouldn't just splash it cause they can)

Number 16: Shock Master (I think not a lot needs to be said, locks down many many Decks, and isn't even that hurtful to yourself most of the time, I would just like to see this go so other 3-mat Rank 4s could see the light of day more)

Skill Drain (I dislike you. End of story. But really, I dislike this card a lot, just playing it messes up everything. I just dislike this card okay?!)

 

Limited:

Mecha Phantom Beast Dracossack (I like Mecha Phantoms, but other Decks seem to use this more, so while they need to keep their boss, other Decks shouldn't be able to abuse it in my opinion)

Wind-up Carrier Zenmaity (While even I admit that this card is OP in a lot of ways, Wind-ups as a whole are weakened horribly without at least one of them in it)

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (TBH, this is just one of my favorite cards to date. I know the effect is broke, but I miss being able to run him without people complaining.)

Thunder King Rai-Oh (I have always disliked this card. It isn't bad enough to ban, though I still dislike it enough for myself to have to put it at 1. It can possibly stay at 2 if we get rid of other problem cards and get more inherrent Special Summons again)

 

Semi-Limited

Wind-Up Magician (Now, I don't know that much about Deck, but I don't really think that it deserves to be at 1)

 

Unlimited:
Pot of Duality (This card really doesn't deserve the spot it has, the condition is fine as it is, and it takes a lot of skill. More and more Decks Special Summon, this isn't even useful is many Decks unless they can handle it)

Torrential Tribute (Honestly, I see no reason for a 2 on this one, I would never think of putting 3 of this guy in, and I would like Archfiends to have more things to use)

 

 

Pretty much agree completely with this but for the few cards I added. Can't think of anything I want banned of the top of my head, but there's probably something there.


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"Only one post for your ideal banlist."
 
So not what you said in the first post?


Considering how it's titled "September 2013 banlist", yes. Your ideal September 2013 banlist. Leaving out the top decks means you didn't hit them. It's really that simple.

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Considering how it's titled "September 2013 banlist", yes. Your ideal September 2013 banlist. Leaving out the top decks means you didn't hit them. It's really that simple.

 

I should probably go back and re-edit mine actually. Just realized there're a lot of things I thought would be banned that I missed. Sorry for that ^^"


Previously Kio-kun. Sorry for any confusion.
 

 

Become the instrument of destruction in a world caught in an endless cycle of war and hatred, or rebel against the fate that would have you die. Take part in a war between multiple factions, and fight against demons, highly advanced soldiers, and Demon Slayers, each of them trying to bring about the future they desire. It all begins here...

 

 

Will you accept your fate?

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Or will you fight against it?

 

 

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Considering how it's titled "September 2013 banlist", yes. Your ideal September 2013 banlist. Leaving out the top decks means you didn't hit them. It's really that simple.

Why is Excellus excluded from this then?

 

You already mentioned those, repeating myself would be unneeded.


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I should probably go back and re-edit mine actually. Just realized there're a lot of things I thought would be banned that I missed. Sorry for that ^^"


It's honestly fine, I just thought people would have gotten the message from the opening post. >:
 

Why is Excellus excluded from this then?
 
You already mentioned those, repeating myself would be unneeded.


Because he made an actual smart hit on semi-limiting Reckless. He then said that his banlist was an expansion on mine, which I was fine with.

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Why is Excellus excluded from this then?
 
You already mentioned those, repeating myself would be unneeded.

 

I would also like to add:

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My ideal banlist you say, not the one I expect. Well then it would probably look like this for me:


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Because he made an actual smart hit on semi-limiting Reckless

I can also agree on that hit, if I had problems with it, I would have changed the position (like Rai-oh, which is mostly just my personal dislike for it).


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Thing is, what should actually happen to the banlist and what actually will happen to the banlist is a very very different thing.


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Thing is, what should actually happen to the banlist and what actually will happen to the banlist is a very very different thing.

Maybe I misinterpreted what Koko meant with "your ideal banlist". For me, that would mean what I would like to see. I guess that is not what the word means?


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Maybe I misinterpreted what Koko meant with "your ideal banlist". For me, that would mean what I would like to see. I guess that is not what the word means?


Ideal September 2013 banlist. i.e What you think the best September 2013 banlist will be. Ideal meaning best suited, meaning the best way to deal with the format's problems.

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What I believe Koko meant by ideal banlist was one that would make the ideally perfect meta ...

 

 

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Ideal September 2013 banlist. i.e What you think the best September 2013 banlist will be. Ideal meaning best suited, meaning the best way to deal with the format's problems.

Then I did. Then more than half of what I said should be removed, as those are my own dislikes rather then what should be changed. Sorry for misunderstanding.


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