Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Not exactly a unique concept, but I remember someone (I think it was Agro) had a tournament a while back where the competitors could only use cards from a few specific sets. Pretty much what I was thinking is choosing 3 random TCG Sets, plus a random Starter Deck, and that's what players are allowed to use to build their decks. However, to make things just a little easier and to help prevent horrible lock scenarios and to boost certain decks, players would also be allowed to play any number of Polymerization, 1 MST (if not already in the card pool) and 1 copy of 1 Unlimited monster in the main deck, Extra Deck monster, Spell, and Trap not in the Set, if they so choose. Of course, as the card pool will be very limited and certain cards are not as powerful when not used in conjunction with cards outside of their Set, there would also be some banlist changes. Some cards would also automatically outclass everything and would need to be hit because of that, so that would be taken into account as well (but I'd need some help with this). [spoiler="Changes to Banlist"] Newly Limited Cards From Banned: Cyber Stein (Unless with Limiter Removal) Dark Magician of Chaos Destiny Hero - Disk Commander Fishborg Blaster Glow-Up Bulb Magical Scientist Makyura the Destructor Mind Master (Unless with Brain Research Lab) Morphing Jar Morphing Jar #2 Sangan Sinister Serpent (Unless with Mermails) Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier Card Destruction Giant Trunade Graceful Charity Heavy Storm Last Will Super Rejuvenation Pot of Avarice Solemn Judgment Newly Limited Cards from Unlimited: Exciton Knight Number 101: Silent Honors ARK Number 11: Big Eye Rivalry of Warlords Gozen Match Battlin' Boxer Lead Yoke Battlin' Boxer Counterblow Level Limit Area B Gravity Bind Messenger of Peace Power Bond Crystal Abundance Judgment Dragon Rocket Arrow Express Fencing Fire Ferret Bujin Yamato Traptrix Myrmeleo Fencing Fire Ferret Pumprincess Dododo Buster Divine Dragon Knight Felgrand Necrovalley Snake Rain Test Tiger Scrap Chimera Scrap Factory Nordic in Storm of Ragnarok TG1-EM1 Wind-Up Factory Evolzar Laggia Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation Hieratic Seal of Convocation Mermail Abyssmegalo Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Bear Ghostrick Kyonshee Sylvan in Legacy of the Valiant? Gimmick Puppet Dreary Doll The Seal of Orichalcos Number 33: Chronomoly Machu Mech Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rhongomiant[/spoiler] [spoiler="Selection Pool (Unfinished)"] Sets Legend of Blue Eyes White Dragon Metal Raiders Spell Ruler Pharaoh's Servant Labyrinth of Nightmare Legacy of Darkness Pharaonic Guardian Magician's Force Dark Crisis Invasion of Chaos Ancient Sanctuary Soul of the Duelist Rise of Destiny Flaming Eternity The Lost Millennium Cybernetic Revolution Elemental Energy Shadow of Infinity Enemy of Justice Power of the Duelist Cyberdark Impact Strike of Neos Force of the Breaker Tactical Evolution Gladiator's Assault Phantom Darkness Light of Destruction The Duelist Genesis Crossroads of Chaos Crimson Crisis Raging Battle Ancient Prophecy Stardust Overdrive Absolute Powerforce The Shining Darkness Duelist Revolution Starstrike Blast Storm of Ragnarok Extreme Victory Generation Force Photon Shockwave Order of Chaos Galactic Overlord Return of the Duelist Abyss Rising Cosmo Blazer Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy Judgment of the Light Shadow Specters Legacy of the Valiant Number Hunters Dragons of Legend Ra Yellow Legendary Collections 2 3 4 Yugi Kaiba Joey Pegasus Yugi Evolution Kaiba Evolution Jaden Yuki Syrus Truesdale Yugi Reloaded Kaiba Reloaded Yu-Gi-Oh! Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's 2009 Duelist Toolbox Dawn of the Xyz Xyz Symphony V for Victory [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I would hit DARK too but that't just me. If you wanna take more time you should ban certain cards in certain decks, like not allowing Dark World or Fabled users to use Graceful Charity, not letting dragons use Fufu, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I would hit DARK too but that't just me. If you wanna take more time you should ban certain cards in certain decks, like not allowing Dark World or Fabled users to use Graceful Charity, not letting dragons use Fufu, or something. It was my intention to try and make some changes like this, but it takes quite some time and consideration to do, since a lot of times a deck is much, much worse if you don't have cards from certain sets to boost them. Chaos Dragons, for instance, probably wouldn't ever get Future Fusion in the card pool, and even if they did, probably not Five Headed Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Add Number Hunters and Dragons of Legend to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Problem I have with Number Hunter is that there isn't a lot of standalone cards, but I guess I could add it for the Extra Deck utility it would provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I don't really see this working as Konami never printed sets with the intention of Draft being a viable format. More recent sets with archetypical support and sets with generic power cards would greatly limit what you could play. It greatly depends on what sets are chosen; for example sets like LTGY would instantly be skewed toward Boxers with Blaster splashed (assuming limits and bans are applicable regarding the current format) as the archetype is nearly all inclusive in the set. Other sets, say for example SHSP, would have obvious power cards like Pumprincess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I don't really see this working as Konami never printed sets with the intention of Draft being a viable format. More recent sets with archetypical support and sets with generic power cards would greatly limit what you could play. It greatly depends on what sets are chosen; for example sets like LTGY would instantly be skewed toward Boxers with Blaster splashed (assuming limits and bans are applicable regarding the current format) as the archetype is nearly all inclusive in the set. Other sets, say for example SHSP, would have obvious power cards like Pumprincess. Yeah, that's why I've been trying to come up with a new banlist, though I just got the sets put up. I'll be looking through them and trying to decide myself what would be dangerous or not. I would appreciate any input on that, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Yeah, that's why I've been trying to come up with a new banlist, though I just got the sets put up. I'll be looking through them and trying to decide myself what would be dangerous or not. I would appreciate any input on that, though. I'm still a few hours away from being able to get on a computer but when I do I'd be glad to help identify singular power cards for single set draft. My local playerbase and some of the locals I frequent are a bit unorthodox as we've held actual Draft tourneys for almost every core set past LOD at some point, and all our SPs are held as Draft tourneys for the mats and other prizes provided at cost by the store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I'm still a few hours away from being able to get on a computer but when I do I'd be glad to help identify singular power cards for single set draft. My local playerbase and some of the locals I frequent are a bit unorthodox as we've held actual Draft tourneys for almost every core set past LOD at some point, and all our SPs are held as Draft tourneys for the mats and other prizes provided at cost by the store. Cool, thanks. I'll be updating the list in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 I went through and made note of some of the things in particular I think could be problematic for Sets. I've also been thinking that maybe 3 Sets and a Starter Deck is too many cards and might also make it a bit more laborious for players to come up with decks. Does either 2 Sets and a Starter or 3 Sets and/or Starter sound better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I guess I am can make a poll about it, and asking what people think should also come off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 JOTL: Fencing Fire Ferret, Myrmeleo, Yamato SHSP: Felgrand, Draggluong, Mythic Dragons, Pumprincess LVAL: Gillagillancer, Black Brachios, Leo, Dododo Buster These were the particular problem cards during single set drafts more recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I could Limit the first 3, don't know if Limiting Felgrand would do anything to it, Pumprincess I could see being a problem since it's hard to get rid of and could be put to 1, and not sure about what to do with the Mythic Dragons or Draggluong either. Black Brachios I think would be fine, personally, even though it can essentially run over any 1 card for free. If you think it's bad enough, though, I can do something about it. Dododo Buster... Maybe Limited as well? I don't really want to ban cards unless I absolutely have to. Do you have any suggestions for the notes I made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Metamorphosis maybe, the rest on the poll list are way too busted to come back even in a limited draft format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Metamorphosis maybe, the rest on the poll list are way too busted to come back even in a limited draft format. Actually, what I meant was about the archetypes that I listed in the banlist, for their Set. Though that is also helpful to hear about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Looks reasonable, I guess hit the engine cards for each archetype? Still doesn't work out well, though, for example Fire Fists are still relatively busted though even if you hit Tenki. It's hard to actually do draft-style formats without taking into account the card rarities and actually drafting sealed packs. Rarities are what make draft playable; expecting diversity in single set constructed format with sets that have totally self-contained archetypes is kind of reaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yeah, the funny thing is that only the more recent sets had problems with archetypes being highly prevalent, but the older sets only had a few cards that completely overpowered the Set. I excluded from the notes the sets/packs that had more than 2 archetypes prevalent since it gives diversity to the tournament by itself. I noted only the ones where a certain archetype had a lot of support that was good within the set by itself. I was considering either omitting certain Sets due to the prevalence of this problem, or just banning said archetypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 73 different packs/starters it seems. Would anyone be interested in helping me do some tests for this? I use random.org to pick 3 random things, and got 3, 15, and 62, which correspond to Spell Ruler, The Lost Millenium, and Kaiba Evolution. If anyone would be willing to make a deck based on the rules provided in the first post using these card pools, I would very much appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Seeing as Relinquished debuted in Spell Ruler, I feel I am honor bound to assist you. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I'm going to be working on a deck soon. I have to do some work stuff first though. EDIT: Those were some interesting duels. Spellbinding Circles and Shadow Spells everywhere, and it was fairly back-and-forth because both of our decks were slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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