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Not exactly a unique concept, but I remember someone (I think it was Agro) had a tournament a while back where the competitors could only use cards from a few specific sets. Pretty much what I was thinking is choosing 3 random TCG Sets, plus a random Starter Deck, and that's what players are allowed to use to build their decks.

 

However, to make things just a little easier and to help prevent horrible lock scenarios and to boost certain decks, players would also be allowed to play any number of Polymerization, 1 MST (if not already in the card pool) and 1 copy of 1 Unlimited monster in the main deck, Extra Deck monster, Spell, and Trap not in the Set, if they so choose.

 

Of course, as the card pool will be very limited and certain cards are not as powerful when not used in conjunction with cards outside of their Set, there would also be some banlist changes. Some cards would also automatically outclass everything and would need to be hit because of that, so that would be taken into account as well (but I'd need some help with this).

 

[spoiler="Changes to Banlist"]

Newly Limited Cards From Banned:

Cyber Stein (Unless with Limiter Removal)

Dark Magician of Chaos

Destiny Hero - Disk Commander

Fishborg Blaster

Glow-Up Bulb

Magical Scientist

Makyura the Destructor

Mind Master (Unless with Brain Research Lab)

Morphing Jar

Morphing Jar #2

Sangan

Sinister Serpent (Unless with Mermails)

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier

Card Destruction

Giant Trunade

Graceful Charity

Heavy Storm

Last Will

Super Rejuvenation
Pot of Avarice

Solemn Judgment

 

Newly Limited Cards from Unlimited:

Exciton Knight

Number 101: Silent Honors ARK

Number 11: Big Eye

Rivalry of Warlords

Gozen Match

Battlin' Boxer Lead Yoke

Battlin' Boxer Counterblow

Level Limit Area B

Gravity Bind

Messenger of Peace

Power Bond

Crystal Abundance

Judgment Dragon

Rocket Arrow Express

Fencing Fire Ferret

Bujin Yamato

Traptrix Myrmeleo

Fencing Fire Ferret

Pumprincess

Dododo Buster

Divine Dragon Knight Felgrand

Necrovalley

Snake Rain

Test Tiger

Scrap Chimera

Scrap Factory

Nordic in Storm of Ragnarok

TG1-EM1

Wind-Up Factory

Evolzar Laggia

Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation

Hieratic Seal of Convocation

Mermail Abyssmegalo

Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Bear

Ghostrick Kyonshee

Sylvan in Legacy of the Valiant?

Gimmick Puppet Dreary Doll

The Seal of Orichalcos

Number 33: Chronomoly Machu Mech

Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rhongomiant[/spoiler]

 

[spoiler="Selection Pool (Unfinished)"]

Sets

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I would hit DARK too but that't just me.

 

If you wanna take more time you should ban certain cards in certain decks, like not allowing Dark World or Fabled users to use Graceful Charity, not letting dragons use Fufu, or something.

It was my intention to try and make some changes like this, but it takes quite some time and consideration to do, since a lot of times a deck is much, much worse if you don't have cards from certain sets to boost them. Chaos Dragons, for instance, probably wouldn't ever get Future Fusion in the card pool, and even if they did, probably not Five Headed Dragon.

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I don't really see this working as Konami never printed sets with the intention of Draft being a viable format. More recent sets with archetypical support and sets with generic power cards would greatly limit what you could play.

It greatly depends on what sets are chosen; for example sets like LTGY would instantly be skewed toward Boxers with Blaster splashed (assuming limits and bans are applicable regarding the current format) as the archetype is nearly all inclusive in the set. Other sets, say for example SHSP, would have obvious power cards like Pumprincess.

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I don't really see this working as Konami never printed sets with the intention of Draft being a viable format. More recent sets with archetypical support and sets with generic power cards would greatly limit what you could play.

It greatly depends on what sets are chosen; for example sets like LTGY would instantly be skewed toward Boxers with Blaster splashed (assuming limits and bans are applicable regarding the current format) as the archetype is nearly all inclusive in the set. Other sets, say for example SHSP, would have obvious power cards like Pumprincess.

Yeah, that's why I've been trying to come up with a new banlist, though I just got the sets put up. I'll be looking through them and trying to decide myself what would be dangerous or not. I would appreciate any input on that, though.

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Yeah, that's why I've been trying to come up with a new banlist, though I just got the sets put up. I'll be looking through them and trying to decide myself what would be dangerous or not. I would appreciate any input on that, though.


I'm still a few hours away from being able to get on a computer but when I do I'd be glad to help identify singular power cards for single set draft. My local playerbase and some of the locals I frequent are a bit unorthodox as we've held actual Draft tourneys for almost every core set past LOD at some point, and all our SPs are held as Draft tourneys for the mats and other prizes provided at cost by the store.
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I'm still a few hours away from being able to get on a computer but when I do I'd be glad to help identify singular power cards for single set draft. My local playerbase and some of the locals I frequent are a bit unorthodox as we've held actual Draft tourneys for almost every core set past LOD at some point, and all our SPs are held as Draft tourneys for the mats and other prizes provided at cost by the store.

Cool, thanks. I'll be updating the list in the meantime.

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I went through and made note of some of the things in particular I think could be problematic for Sets. I've also been thinking that maybe 3 Sets and a Starter Deck is too many cards and might also make it a bit more laborious for players to come up with decks. Does either 2 Sets and a Starter or 3 Sets and/or Starter sound better?

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I could Limit the first 3, don't know if Limiting Felgrand would do anything to it, Pumprincess I could see being a problem since it's hard to get rid of and could be put to 1, and not sure about what to do with the Mythic Dragons or Draggluong either.

 

Black Brachios I think would be fine, personally, even though it can essentially run over any 1 card for free. If you think it's bad enough, though, I can do something about it. Dododo Buster... Maybe Limited as well?

 

I don't really want to ban cards unless I absolutely have to. Do you have any suggestions for the notes I made?

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Looks reasonable, I guess hit the engine cards for each archetype? Still doesn't work out well, though, for example Fire Fists are still relatively busted though even if you hit Tenki. It's hard to actually do draft-style formats without taking into account the card rarities and actually drafting sealed packs. Rarities are what make draft playable; expecting diversity in single set constructed format with sets that have totally self-contained archetypes is kind of reaching.

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Yeah, the funny thing is that only the more recent sets had problems with archetypes being highly prevalent, but the older sets only had a few cards that completely overpowered the Set. I excluded from the notes the sets/packs that had more than 2 archetypes prevalent since it gives diversity to the tournament by itself. I noted only the ones where a certain archetype had a lot of support that was good within the set by itself.

 

I was considering either omitting certain Sets due to the prevalence of this problem, or just banning said archetypes.

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73 different packs/starters it seems. Would anyone be interested in helping me do some tests for this? I use random.org to pick 3 random things, and got 3, 15, and 62, which correspond to Spell Ruler, The Lost Millenium, and Kaiba Evolution. If anyone would be willing to make a deck based on the rules provided in the first post using these card pools, I would very much appreciate it.

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