Miror B Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 What the actual fuck a commander planeswalker Teferi, Temporal Archmage [4UU] Planeswalker - Teferi +1: Look at top 2 cards of deck, one to hand one on bottom -1: Untap up to 4 permanents -10: You get an emblem with "You can use planeswalker abilities at instant speed" Teferi can be your commander [5] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Man, this is a ruling nightmare for commander damage. I'm not ok with planeswalkers being able to be commanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Man, this is a ruling nightmare for commander damage. I'm not ok with planeswalkers being able to be commanders. Not really. Only commanders with the rules text can be commanders, and commander damage is only ever relevant if the commander in question turns into a creature like Gideon, or with some convoluted combo like March of the Machines and Liquimetal Coating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Man, this is a ruling nightmare for commander damage. I'm not ok with planeswalkers being able to be commanders. To be fair, commander damage isn't the cleanest thing in the world since it forces you to track like 3 different numbers that may or may not be relevant. The card itself is cool. Interesting to see Teferi as a planeswalker since he lost his spark a while back. Edit: Doug just confirmed on tumbler that this is before he lost his spark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Not sure I'm okay with a PW as a Commander. Gonna need a few rulings on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Not sure I'm okay with a PW as a Commander. Gonna need a few rulings on it. Rulings are exactly the same for any commander. I cannot think of a single ruling that actually changes in regards to this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is it really worth the 6 Mana to pay for him? I suppose you can Cast him and then untap four immediately, but eh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is it really worth the 6 Mana to pay for him? I suppose you can Cast him and then untap four immediately, but eh... If you have him out with The Chain Veil and a land that taps for 2 you can get tons of uses out of Veil. Personally, I'm more interested in using him in Animar to go off even more with Animar and my cheap creatures. Over all though, I do agree that he isn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Does it mean that deck can also contain the archetype-of-flash Teferi? I'm simultaneously cheering and fearing at the thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Yes you can have Terefi the creature and Terefi the walker on the field at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I do wonder if you can only use PWs that specify it as your Commander, or if you can use ANY PW as your commander. Cus if its the latter, I have a JtMS deck I need to make.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I do wonder if you can only use PWs that specify it as your Commander, or if you can use ANY PW as your commander.Cus if its the latter, I have a JtMS deck I need to make....Why even ask? That is like asking if I could have any number of cards in my deck or just any number of the demon apostle guy. You can only have Teferi planeswalker as a commander since it specifies on the card. You guys are making it more complicated then it is. Just read the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 A reprint of Teferi, Archetype of Flash will mean that he's cheaper to acquire. Yay! But that could mean that he's seen more often. Uh oh. Alternatively, the presence of Teferi could have a hand in driving up the deck's price a little. Not as bad as TrueName, but the demand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I do wonder if you can only use PWs that specify it as your Commander, or if you can use ANY PW as your commander. Cus if its the latter, I have a JtMS deck I need to make.... Other PWs are still illegal to use as commanders. This is still my biggest issue with this guy. He breaks rule #1 of commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoRWBY65 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 does his emblem mean that if I'm in a 5 player game I get 5 times the number of Planeswalker abilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Other PWs are still illegal to use as commanders. This is still my biggest issue with this guy. He breaks rule #1 of commander.Yeahhhh. That doesn't make much sense. I'd like it if they were ruling that all PWs could be Commanders, since some people houserule that anyway, but thats just stupid :I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 does his emblem mean that if I'm in a 5 player game I get 5 times the number of Planeswalker abilities?I would assume not since you can only activate Loyalty abilities once every turn of yours. It just allows for more manipulation of the stack. Don't quote me on this, but this is most likely how it is.Yeahhhh. That doesn't make much sense.I'd like it if they were ruling that all PWs could be Commanders, since some people houserule that anyway, but thats just stupid :ICards can disregard rules if stated on the card. Planeswalkers aren't legendary creatures, so they don't break the rules. This does because it says on the card, which has cards have broken rules and it is allowed if said on the card. Things might change, but there is no breaking or changing of any rules for planeswalkers as commanders any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Yeahhhh. That doesn't make much sense. I'd like it if they were ruling that all PWs could be Commanders, since some people houserule that anyway, but thats just stupid :I By the same principle, Relentless Rats is nonsensical as the only card that lets you break the 4-of rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 By the same principle, Relentless Rats is nonsensical as the only card that lets you break the 4-of rule.Shadowborn Apostle (It was the card I was thinking of.) Follows the same ruling as Relentless Rats, but that is because the card specifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Other PWs are still illegal to use as commanders. This is still my biggest issue with this guy. He breaks rule #1 of commander. As stated above, Relentless Rats and Shadowborn Apostle break rule #1 of building a deck. This is the kind of thing games do to keep them exciting, introducing new mechanics, breaking old rules, etc. I mean, it's not like they're about to make a huge cycle of 27 Planeswalkers that can also be commanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 27 no, but it's confirmed that the cover card of each deck will be a walker Commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoRWBY65 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 You can activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker you control only at the time you could cast a sorcery and only if you haven’t activated one of that planeswalker’s loyalty abilities yet that turn. This is from the rulings on Planeswalkers. Tell me why I can't use a loyalty ability on my turn then again on my opponent's turn when Teferi's Emblem is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 You can activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker you control only at the time you could cast a sorcery and only if you haven’t activated one of that planeswalker’s loyalty abilities yet that turn. This is from the rulings on Planeswalkers. Tell me why I can't use a loyalty ability on my turn then again on my opponent's turn when Teferi's Emblem is out. Because there's no ruling for Instant Speed Planeswalkers so we're pretty much guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I assume people just aren't reading the card. It really clearly says "on any player's turn". The once per turn restriction stays the same, so, yes, you can activate it on your turn, then again on the opponent's turn. Yes, you can do it five times per turn cycle in a 5-player game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 It's a shame that Planeswalkers are always such big targets in an EDH game. I really want to ultimate this in a 5-player table while I control Karn Liberated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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