CC Moderation Vote

[Night]

Should Striker remain a CC mod, yes or no. No extraneous bullshit, no paragraphs of text, state your vote and reasoning without bias or any derisive remarks. 

 

All members with 100+ posts are eligible to vote, Moderators however are not. 

 

This thread will be up for 7 days (timer), after that period the votes will be tallied, a decision will be reached and we never have to deal with this bullshit again. 

 

If you feel as if you need more information prior to voting, see this thread.

[J-Max]

hould Striker remain a CC Moderator: No

 

When I heard that we were getting two more Mods to back up Zextra, I was pleased. Sakura seemed to know his/her thing around the Forums. I don't know Saber much, but I understand that he knows the TCG State and can Mod accordingly. Then completely out of the blue, Striker was promoted. I, among other members were a bit speechless. "What exactly has Striker done for the Forum apart from keeping 1 v 1alive?

 

Then after a couple of weeks, it hit me. Striker only cares about 1 v 1. Then I thought that apart from being able to Close Topics and issue warns, why exactly is Striker a Mod? He does nothing outside of 1 v 1. I don't remember seeing him do any Mod Duties apart from 1 v 1.

 

A Mod needs to manage the entire section. Striker had his chance but stuck with 1 v 1 the entire time. I am sorry that Striker found the image of a Potato to be offensive. I was called J-Pedo on many occasions, that was worse. You need to grow some balls my son.

 

Striker..... I am sorry to say this but CC is fine with the 3 Mods in question. You had your chance and failed. Hopefully you will look upon your experiences as a Mod and learn from it.

 

Of course, my vote is going to mean Crap anyway as clearly he will get to keep the role.... 

 

J-Max out. Thanks for your time.

 

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ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS: I have nothing against Striker personally, merely his Skills as a Mod.

[Blake]

Should Striker remain a CC Moderator: No

He has proven time and again that he only cares about his leaderboard. Maybe he files reports in general, but that's not enough care for CC as a whole. And even with his care for 1v1/Leaderboard, he has put no effort into improving the quality of the section/leaderboard.

[Slinky]

No, fully ignoring his failure to actually mod the section properly (other than his 1v1). I'm more concerned with his actual actions. His reaction to the potato incident was so bad it is making me severely question his ability to do proper decision-making. If he's going to overreact like that to a picture of a potato, imagine how he'll react to /actual/ stuff that people find offensive. I, for one, do not wish to see this.

[Rodrigo]

Should Striker remain a CC Moderator: No

 

Nothing personal, but as already stressed, he hasn't added anything noteworthy to the section as a whole. The difference between before and now is that now he has the power to lock Leaderboard topics. Sakura and Saber are enough to handle the entire section (especially because the activity isn't as big as it was before).

[Kyng]

Yes.

I recall Black during his modship being excessively harsh to the members of the CC section, which was nothing short of grossly inappropriate for his position, and he was certainly not impeached because of it. I believe Striker is more than capable of looking at critique, and reforming based upon it. I believe he simply hasn't been given a chance to reform upon it due to being bashed by the memberbase.

Every moderator has flaws, so why should Striker be the only one punished for not being perfect?

[Dementuo]

Should Striker remain a CC Mod? The answer I give is No.

 

Striker simply doesn't have the maturity to handle the responsibilities of a mod. The potato incident is a good example of that; he overreacted hugely to it, and cracked down on it way harder than necessary. As stated above, a lack of maturity in a mod position is almost frightening, as it leaves power in the hands of someone who clearly won't be able to properly use it. In the end, it'll end up hurting more people than it will help.

[Lunar Origins]

No.

 

Personal reasons, as well as the fact that I haven't seen him do very much at all.

[Kazooie]

Should Striker remain a Mod?: No.

 

Striker has shown that he doesn't have the ability to stay calm under pressure in the past. It only became more apparent with how he handled the "potato incident," and let me make it clear I loathe calling it that because it should not have become an incident by any means. If he can't handle a joke, I can't imagine how he would handle actual offensive things being thrown around.

 

His dedication to the leaderboard is admirable, sure, but it hasn't shown an actual increase in quality since he came a mod. It's simply stayed the same as though it's in a state of limbo, and in my opinion, the Leaderboard isn't a large enough accomplishment to merit giving him modship. He doesn't care much about the rest of the CC section as should be modded, but he mostly stays isolated in 1v1 which does not need the level of modship he provides it. 

[BANZAI!!!!]

Should Striker Remain a CC Moderator: Yes

 

Lets take a step back from this and think for a moment, shall we? Humor me and forget that the moderator in question is Striker. Because every moderator should be held to the same standards of behavior, lets judge this moderator purely on his actions as a moderator, as well as compare what he has done as a moderator to the actions of other moderators.

 

Has this moderator done anything to actually warrant a demotion? Has this moderator abused the powers given to him in any way? No, he has not. He, to my knowledge, has not been any more delinquent in his modship than any other members of the mod team have ever been, and I dare say he has been better behaved than some of them. If i am unfounded or incorrect in this assertion, I would be very appreciative of anyone who can provide me links/conclusive evidence that prove that i am incorrect.

 

Now, lets take into account that, as some other members in this thread have said, that the moderator in question has done nothing constructive in the Custom Cards section, and has instead chosen to focus exclusively on one part of said section.

 

I'd like to remind you all that, before the three new CC mods were promoted, it only had 1 moderator. One who, due to a number of perfectly legitimate reasons, was and is very inactive, leaving the site's main section functionally moderator-less. This is something that is arguably worse than favoring one sub-forum over others, as at the very least, having this moderator there increases the presence of moderators in the section as a whole, and makes him on some level capable of handling any situations that may arise, and yet this moderator was and still is allowed to remain in charge of the Custom Cards section. Should you be basing your argument for the moderator in question's demotion on the fact that he is inactive in most of the sub-forums of custom cards, then i posit that it is only fair that all members of the mod team who are as inactive/ineffectual or moreso than the mod in question should step down and/or be demoted, and new, more active moderators be promoted to their places to keep the site running more actively, as letting the rest of the mod team get away with such inactivity while demoting one moderator for it is biased.

 

And that brings me to my next point, the bias. Lets take who this moderator is back into account now, shall we?

 

Striker is one of the most universally disliked members of this site, and to my knowledge has been for quite some time. A number of my associates and friends here on YCM have every legitimate reason to dislike him on a personal level, and I'd like it to be known that I myself have a rather healthy dislike for him as well based on what I've seen of his interactions with these friends and associates of mine. That said, many of you have allowed this bias you have against Striker, logically and legitimately founded is it may very well be, to be the sole driving force behind the movement to have him demoted. As I've illustrated above, he hasn't done anything that actually legitimately warrants his demotion and his demotion alone, and thus the only logical conclusion i can come to is this: The membership of YCM wants Striker demoted because a number of vocal members have a strong personal dislike for him.

 

Over the past few weeks I've witnessed numerous incidents and been present for many a conversation that clearly indicate that this is so, and many of the members here have been blatantly and openly vocal either in public or to me about both their strong personal dislike for Striker, as well as their opinion that he should be demoted.

 

One, In my opinion, this is not the way to address issues pertaining to the decisions of the moderating team. The logical channel should be to PM a member of/the entire moderating team about an issue you have for their decision, citing your reasons for feeling that way in said PM, rather than loudly proclaiming one's dislike for the decision and causing a ruckus such as this, which has arguably interfered with the mod team's ability to fairly and justly govern the site without bias. 

 

Two, the lack of respect and composure that has been displayed regarding this matter is rather appalling. Again, I too don't like Striker, but I've witnesses cases where he has clearly been taunted and ridiculed, and its arguable that he may have been harassed. The fact that this negativity was and is allowed to go unpunished due to what I can only assume is a general dislike of and bias against a person who as of recent weeks has done nothing (to my knowledge) to warrant such actions, is something I find deplorable.

 

It'd be one thing if Striker was acting in such a way that punitive actions were warranted (the recent banning of Coolspy comes to mind, if you want an example), but I'm not aware of any such offenses, and therefore i can only assume that the movement to have Striker demoted is nothing more than a lynching based on bias against him for his past actions as a standard member. He has not done anything that would warrant him and only him being stripped of his moderator position (If he should be demoted based on his favoritism toward the leaderboard and inactivity in other parts of CC, then i say that all inactive moderators should be held just as accountable for their positions), and he has arguably been more well behaved and less caustic than previous members of the mod team. The fact that this issue has been allowed to reach this point and interfere with the running of the community in such a way is deplorable, and should have been handled a lot more maturely than this thread, which i can only assume will result in Striker demotion due to the overwhelming majority of negative responses in agreement with the rather vocal anti-striker sentiment I mentioned previously.

 

I'd like to conclude by saying that, though I'm in favor of Striker remaining a moderator, I am also in favor of his immediate demotion should he in any way abuse his powers as a moderator, as am I in favor of the same action in regards to the delinquency of any moderators, current or future.

 

Rant over, Zai out. I've said my piece.

[J-Max]

I understand your thoughts Zai and understand where you are coming from. Striker hasn't done anyything as such to deserve a Demotion but its his reaction to the Potato thing which makes me worry if he will be able to handle such things as a Porn Attack and what not.

 

Picture yourself in a Mcdonalds. You have started your first day at work and are expected to clean the place, serve Drive Thru and cook food. You go "You know what? Screw everything else, I am going to man the Drive Thru for the day" That will get you fired. Striker is doing this with 1v1. If he decided to put as much effort into the rest of the section then he may just work as a Mod. He has had ample time to do this but instead stays in one section. its like me modding nothing but Pop Culture or Sakura just doing Realistic.

[Goose]

Should Striker remain a mod of CC: I don't actually care

 

I'm just going to take this as a chance to comment on how bad CC is right now and pretend that I'm blaming Striker for it. If the reason things there still suck is because of him, change staff. If it's because of the staff as a whole, get your shit together. 

 

I'm going to start by going back in time to 2008 when I first joined the forum. Back then, CC was split into 5 different forums: RC, PC, AoC, WC, and Contests. It was fairly easy to decide where to post your cards. If you were making a card that was theoretically meant to be playable, it went to RC.  If you were making a card based on pop culture, it went to PC.  If it was a joke, purposefully OP, based on forum Members, or something similar, it went to AoC.  If it wasn't made with the card maker it went to WC. Things were simple.  Make cards, post them. If you wanted to host a contest, you did. 

 

Now though CC is impossible to navigate. If my card is slightly OP I have to post it to a specific section. If I introduce a new concept, I need to post it to a specific section. If I post more than one card in a thread, there's a different section for it. I can't host a contest without taking some kind of test. I can have my votes in 1v1s nullified for random reasons. There are sections of CC with LITERALLY NO THREADS. There are a half dozen stickies to read through in the RC section. Some stickies are just randomly placed around (like the only WC sticky). It's so needlessly complicated. 

 

TL;DR if Striker is the reason CC is in it's current condition please replace him.  if Striker is working to fix it, please keep him.

[Blake]

Should Striker remain a mod of CC: I don't actually care

 

I'm just going to take this as a chance to comment on how bad CC is right now and pretend that I'm blaming Striker for it. If the reason things there still suck is because of him, change staff. If it's because of the staff as a whole, get your s*** together. 

 

I'm going to start by going back in time to 2008 when I first joined the forum. Back then, CC was split into 5 different forums: RC, PC, AoC, WC, and Contests. It was fairly easy to decide where to post your cards. If you were making a card that was theoretically meant to be playable, it went to RC.  If you were making a card based on pop culture, it went to PC.  If it was a joke, purposefully OP, based on forum Members, or something similar, it went to AoC.  If it wasn't made with the card maker it went to WC. Things were simple.  Make cards, post them. If you wanted to host a contest, you did. 

 

Now though CC is impossible to navigate. If my card is slightly OP I have to post it to a specific section. If I introduce a new concept, I need to post it to a specific section. If I post more than one card in a thread, there's a different section for it. I can't host a contest without taking some kind of test. I can have my votes in 1v1s nullified for random reasons. There are sections of CC with LITERALLY NO THREADS. There are a half dozen stickies to read through in the RC section. Some stickies are just randomly placed around (like the only WC sticky). It's so needlessly complicated. 

 

TL;DR if Striker is the reason CC is in it's current condition please replace him.  if Striker is working to fix it, please keep him.

This actually reminded me. I think the 1v1 split was Striker's idea.

 

So, why IS 1v1 a seperate section from contests? Is that not counter-intuitive? It's bothered me for a while because it doesn't make sense.

 

Logically, the section called "Contests" would have contests in it. Why does it need to be its own section as opposed to a subsection?

 

The finished sections are kinda useless, too.

 

I can explain the RCS/RCM thing, though, as Koko and I did that (We also moved PC to AoC, but that failed for some reason *shrug*)

 

The thing is that people are more inclined to comment on singles than multiples because multiples take a lot more effort to post on. Activity in the two RCs increased when split apart, due to the fact that people could decide whether to look for a set to review or a single card. People got annoyed, if only a bit, by having to dig through RC to find a single or set or w/e because it all was rather unorganized. Singles are by and far ahead in comments, but both seem to be better off.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I'm just going to jump in and explain the Card Contests/1v1 split. It was done so that people could see from the main page when a card contest was updated or posted in since the latter was more active than the former. This kept Card Contests from getting much time in the Last Update spot on the main page. Also, the activity at the time justified the split. Seeing how things are, I am not opposed to bringing them back together again. There was a reason for it at the time, but it doesn't hold much weight now.

tl;dr: Activity and convenience were the driving factors for the split.

[Aix]

I understand your thoughts Zai and understand where you are coming from. Striker hasn't done anyything as such to deserve a Demotion but its his reaction to the Potato thing which makes me worry if he will be able to handle such things as a Porn Attack and what not.

Are you guys still thinking he removed Hina's image posting privileges or...

[J-Max]

Are you guys still thinking he removed Hina's image posting privileges or...

No. It was how heavy handed Striker was with the situation. A Warn would have been sufficiant.

[Aix]

No. It was how heavy handed Striker was with the situation. A Warn would have been sufficiant.

Wait, what did he actually do?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Wait, what did he actually do?

Remove the [IMG] tags off the image link. Last time I checked that post, they are back on.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Honestly, after figuring out what happened with the "Potato incident". The actual facts. I'm kinda pissed off people bring it up. The image is still there, it's a link to the image. It may have been stupid to get rid of the actual image but it had NO effect.

And honestly, seeing how often people blame Striker, single him out, and he hasn't done anything about it shows me that maybe he can handle it better in the future.

 

I mean, Aix changed people's avis to maids and no one cared. (I in no way am saying anything bad about Aix, no offense intended just getting a point across.) If it were Striker , everyone would've freaked out.

I know people are saying "Oh it's just because I'm worried how he'll handle other things." But I was around when this started. A member said they had their image posting rights taken away, and people ran with it. I don't think it would've been nearly as bad if:

1.) Someone besides Striker did it.

2.) The facts weren't twisted and it was general knowledge that all he did was remove the actual image....which is still there.

 

And again, look at all the s*** he's put up with during his time as a mod. Not one day had passed without someone saying something negative about him, personally and professionally. And he hasn't lashed out like everyone seems to think he will.

 

But, that being said. I actually do NOT think he should stay a mod. Let him run 1v1, that is fine. Give him enough power to do that. It's true that besides there and very few other times I haven't seen him do anything with his mod powers that gives me reason that he should even be a mod.

Now, if you mods can tell me exactly what he has done to help out and deserve being a mod, let me know. I don't mean just general "Yeah he's doing...stuff" tell me what stuff so I can judge better. As of now however, I don't see why he should stay a mod. And not many members see him doing much. So if we're mistaken, please, tell us.

 

But I do think people are being complete idiots about the whole thing.

 

Edit: Since it's not clear at all, I don't think he should remain a Mod, but I want more info before giving a solid vote.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Should Striker remain a Mod: No. 

 

1) Even before his promotion to modship he showed moments where he would respond to criticism and yes some insulting in an immature manner that was if anything worse than the comments made towards him. It's not a quality to have a position that essentially forces criticism and slander to be directed towards you. The incident with Hina basically just brought to light something that was probably going to happen at some point. 

 

And I would also say that this is evidence that he wouldn't change, since it's been true for the entirety of the time I've been on YCM. And there has been no improvement on this 

 

2) The state of CC. Now, no one can blame him entirely for the state of CC, because it is not the fault of the mod team that it's of low quality, that's always going to be an issue to varying degree. But for a Mod whose primary visible contribution is a series of contests that would be the perfect opportunity to improve the sections quality, there's been no signs of improvement, or even attempts at improvement from it. And if there's not been that attempt at improvement, then Striker has frankly done nothing constructive as a mod. 

 

Even if you accept that all moderators have flaws in there personality, that isn't a reason for doing nothing constructive with the section you are meant to be modding. To take Kyng's example of Black - Under Black and Koko CC showed huge amounts of improvement. But that's not happened in this situation with Striker despite having come up with a system that would be perfect to encourage the improvement. 

 

3). He emphasises his own achievement above everything else that falls under his duties. As others have said, he only puts the effort in in 1v1. But his position is not as mod of 1v1, but as mod of the section as a whole. Now, the fact that he both focuses the majority of his time on 1v1's alone and hasn't at the least put the effort into improve that sections of CC is enough in my eyes to say he's done nothing with the position, and that he shouldn't have the position anymore. 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

And I would also say that this is evidence that he wouldn't change, since it's been true for the entirety of the time I've been on YCM. And there has been no improvement on this 

I would like to reiterate. Since becoming a mod people constantly have been mocking and poking at him, and he hasn't done anything to lash out. I think that at least shows some improvement.

(Still don't think he should be a mod, just sick of hearing this.)

[Delibirb]

Should Striker remain a CC mod? Yes.

 

I don't believe anything Striker's done as a moderator is wrong, and he appears to be a very fine person, so I have no problems with him retaining his position. In fact from what I've seen he's had a positive influence in the CC area as a moderator. Even if he isn't the best at card creation, he gets what needs to be done done, and done well.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

I think it'd be best if I explain my intended role as a mod. I was promoted not as a main CC mod but as a supporting CC mod. This distinction should help explain why most of what I've done for the section hasn't been out in the open. Most of what I've done has been to give ideas for what can be implemented, bring issues that need to be addressed, and other things related to helping CC out. In essence, supporting Sakura and Saber with managing the sections since they are the main mods that were promoted. Also, I don't post or make the changes that do happen due to the perception and bias people concerning me so that said changes are taken seriously.

For those wondering, most of my actions are behind the scenes because I'm in a supporting role. I am the one that helps out when and where I'm needed. I spend most of my time in 1v1 since that is where my abilities best fit the section, though that does not stop me from helping out elsewhere when the need arises, which has happened when Sakura hasn't beaten me to it.

Concerning the Leaderboard, I've always been open to suggestions and fixes. Not going to spend much time on this, but please speak up and shoot me a PM if you have an idea. Things would get done a lot faster that way.

And about the potato picture, removing the [IMG] tags was the least I could have done. The picture was left there in its link, so it could still have been seen. Also, people calling me a potato and associating me with it is a joke that had really gotten old and those who pushed the joke further have been those with a dislike for me to begin with.

Thought I'd point some things out and clear some things up. Hope this information helps, and I'm willing to further clear things up if need be.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

If some other mods will confirm what Striker says about what his role is and what he has done, I think I would be fine having my vote be for a "Yes".

He's handled all the criticism, jokes and near harassment perfectly fine. The big offense, the potato thing, was blown out of proportion. And if he's actually doing things as a mod, I'm willing to say he should be fine staying a mod.

[Blake]

But background isn't enough, and "support mod" is such a load of crap.

 

CC doesn't need support. It has nothing but support moderators atm, from what I see. And the only one that actually does anything beyond filing reports (which I cannot see) is Saber... who seems to be busy in real life and as such can't do much.

 

Sakura doesn't do anything, really, and from what I've been told is kept for their ability to help with the server/CPs. Striker doesn't do anything bar Leaderboard (and for the claim it's improved, I would love to see some example of this), Saber's not incredibly active, Zextra's not active.

 

So the whole CC Mod election thing did nothing but get us exactly where we started, but with 2 mods who do next to nothing for CC and 2 mods who aren't active enough. Managing reports is important, but that doesn't even seem to be a major issue anymore. So what's needed is a leader. Instead we got... "support Zextra, oh ye of little to no design knowledge!" because the two mods with half an idea aren't around much.

 

Like, "support" seriously boils down to "manage reports", in this case, given how vague Striker was. Locking threads as well, but...

 

You're mods. This whole "you were elected to support" is bull. CC doesn't need "support moderators". It needs leaders. And the section does not have leaders, but instead mods that don't really know which way is up or down in moderating CC. If you cannot lead the section, as all moderators should aim to do (Zextra being the technical leader doesn't make you any less a leader, and if the rest of the mods fed you that bull then I apologize on their behalf), then you shouldn't be a moderator. Plain and simple.

 

Then the "but what has he done wrong?" argument doesn't hold up. Doing nothing (again, barring reports) is akin to inactivity. If you demote inactive mods, why would demoting a mod who does nothing be any different?

 

Honestly, I think the biggest issue here is that the mod team even gave Striker power. Despite his insistence on credit for the leaderboard, I think not putting him into the spotlight would have been better for him. No, he's not the worst member ever... But he's not a good moderator. The community has minimal respect for him and shoving him into the moderating position took respect from him because he started acting as if he deserved respect. And what merits did he have to get the position? The leaderboard he constantly touted as some major achievement. It's a cool idea. It gets flak for still being bad, but that could've changed with time... But it hadn't changed either before or after Striker became a mod. It's the same swill.

 

Promoting him as a moderator has only worsened the forum. It has caused the members to lose even more faith in a mod team who was already on the edge of being completely hated due to the conduct or lack thereof with many of its staff members. Even the mods people thought were good before are just seen as "oh look, another corrupt leader that doesn't listen to a word we say". I think maybe 1-2 have any respect left from the community's older members and members in the know. I've got a small number more, but not many.

 

I can honestly say that the mod team, as it is, makes me miss Pika being a moderator. You know, the one I tried to get demoted, and in doing so got demoted? I at least knew Pika had the best intentions for the forum at heart, even if clothed in a major power trip.

 

"You made a snowman, here have a plow!"

 

Does that sound logical? At all? That just sounds like the person in power will, rather than use it effectively, announce their authority over everyone's snowmen and respect or pay... Which kinda happened.

 

I think that if you let him continue to try to earn respect by trying to polish the leaderboard more and more instead of handing him a position where he would feel like he deserved it suddeny would have done both him and the site so much more good. Instead you people promoted him on what I can only guess to be impulse. And look where it got you. Instead of listening to the member base, you insisted that he deserved it for one half decent idea.  But wait... that's not why...

 

I apologize to Striker that he was promoted in an experiment to prove the memberbase wrong about him as a moderator, instead of on his merits, as I have been informed. I really do think you would have been better off if you refined yourself some more before ever coming close to power. I mean, J-Max is improving rapidly, and I had figured he was thousands of miles past hopeless, so surely you can, too. Being promoted at this time was completely unfair to you, and the moderators who did such should be ashamed they did that to you.