Peridank Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I have come to the conclusion that majority of the internet doesnt know what the hell they are doing. Why make a rule thats almost impossible to enforce... i can see it for a disclaimer for pornagraphy sites ya, kiddies shouldnt see that stuff and the site shouldnt be accountable for there actiond... but for a forum board... while there can be some mature stuff going on... you cant give us an inforcable rule. Then again... imo. Ill just chill over here and try not to think too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 This isn't the internet this is the law lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 It's a law that has a lot of loopholes (and indeed has drawn a lot of criticism since its implementation, due to said loopholes that can be exploited by 12 and under users), but we still have to follow it (because YCM is based on a US-server + our national policies apply). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peridank Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 @Ihop thats worse xP @Sakura I understand that through and through. But i think they look at it way too narrow. I swear the states are just... ugh. Im not getting political... to early for that. I just gonna leave it at my thoughts of the stupidity surronding it and go back to my corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 @Ihop thats worse xP @Sakura I understand that through and through. But i think they look at it way too narrow. I swear the states are just... ugh. Im not getting political... to early for that. I just gonna leave it at my thoughts of the stupidity surronding it and go back to my corner.This isn't about the states. It is international law. And it isn't about the content being mature, it is a matter of protecting the privacy of children. And Sakura, you say that you know of one active user who is under the legal age... why aren't they banned, again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 They were likely not banned earlier on, due to said policy being unmentioned until a while ago, and thus not much of a problem.However, they have been dealt with (although with a PM explaining the reason why). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Is it possible for a Super Moderator to add a "13 or older" check box to the member registration wibblywob? It would help clear up any possible confusion. It is probably somewhere in the terms and conditions, but nobody reads those, and this rule should definitely be known by new users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I can ask Night or evilfusion if they have access to something of that sort, but it would help to clear up confusion (although again, members can still lie about it + click box).That, and the rules should have that point clearly stated. I think Aix put it in somewhere, but should check. Otherwise, it'll have to be written in.The older rule set probably had that, but they're buried some pages away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Frankly, if they lie, it is their problem, not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscrash Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Frankly, due to the popularity of Harry Potter, most kids with even a basic magical knowledge can create a simple Ageing Potion nowadays. Unless you're really savvy, it's tough to ward against such mass usage of the potion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahrheit Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 There is an option in the admin settings to enable compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormented Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 who the funk is going to take a site called yugiohcardmaker to court, like why do we all care so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscrash Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 who the f*** is going to take a site called yugiohcardmaker to court, like why do we all care so much. You must be under the age of 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormented Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yeah that's it you got me bud I've been caught out. This site hasn't had any issues for like 6+ years why will it affect anything now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Is it possible for a Super Moderator to add a "13 or older" check box to the member registration wibblywob? It would help clear up any possible confusion. It is probably somewhere in the terms and conditions, but nobody reads those, and this rule should definitely be known by new users.and you think that if a person under 13 is willing to not provide/ lie about their age they wouldn't just check that check box? if the answer is yes, i applaud your utter stupidity. we could force members to give their birthdays, but lying is a thing. I mean I get that we can't really enforce it and we shouldn't have an open show of nonchalance, but as Torm said: This site hasn't had any issues for like 6+ years why will it affect anything now. So I really don't think that we need to do anything except what we are: banning the account until the person is 13 if/when an account comes up that the person in some way shows that they are not 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yeah that's it you got me bud I've been caught out. This site hasn't had any issues for like 6+ years why will it affect anything now. While that's true, it's very easy for YCMaker to be taken to court if, say, an underage kid's parent is looking over their shoulder when the kid (accidentally) happens to open up a thread that got hit by a porn raid. Or had cards with loli pics in them. The rationale here is that YCMaker didn't provide proper indication of there being "mature" content on this forum. These scenarios are horseshit as we all know it to be. (Though admittedly the latter's had a distinct possibility of happening more than once.) That said, it illustrates the need for such measures to be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted August 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yeah that's it you got me bud I've been caught out. This site hasn't had any issues for like 6+ years why will it affect anything now.So basically "it hasn't happened yet so ignore it"? That's not a good plan in any situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 So basically "it hasn't happened yet so ignore it"? That's not a good plan in any situation. we could force members to give their birthdays, but lying is a thing. I mean I get that we can't really enforce it and we shouldn't have an open show of nonchalance, but as Torm said:This site hasn't had any issues for like 6+ years why will it affect anything now. So I really don't think that we need to do anything except what we are: banning the account until the person is 13 if/when an account comes up that the person in some way shows that they are not 13. I mean is there any way to enforce this law beyond what we're doing? If there isn't a thing in the T&C about being a 13 and over site, just stick it in there and *poof* all legal sheet goes out the door. It ain't our fault if someone doesn't read the T&C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted August 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 I mean is there any way to enforce this law beyond what we're doing? If there isn't a thing in the T&C about being a 13 and over site, just stick it in there and *poof* all legal s*** goes out the door. It ain't our fault if someone doesn't read the T&C.That's exactly the suggestion and I'm not sure why it hasn't been implemented. (or if it has it should be pointed out here)Just smack a "check this box if you're 13+" or something of that sort, and it'd be good. The site won't get into deep sheet if someone decides to capitalize on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 That's exactly the suggestion and I'm not sure why it hasn't been implemented. (or if it has it should be pointed out here) Just smack a "check this box if you're 13+" or something of that sort, and it'd be good. The site won't get into deep sheet if someone decides to capitalize on this issue.thing about a check box is that it might not get us out of legal trouble if something happens. i think if it's not in the T&C that this site is 13+, it needs to be added before something happens. this is like the only answer. after that just keep doing what we're doing: banning accounts that show that the person isn't 13+. can we lock the topic now since i basically just cut the bs? i mean come on. no one in 3 pages thought "Hmm. Maybe if this is such a big thing it should be in the T&C.". that's utterly pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted August 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 thing about a check box is that it might not get us out of legal trouble if something happens. i think if it's not in the T&C that this site is 13+, it needs to be added before something happens.this is like the only answer. after that just keep doing what we're doing: banning accounts that show that the person isn't 13+. can we lock the topic now since i basically just cut the bs? i mean come on. no one in 3 pages thought "Hmm. Maybe if this is such a big thing it should be in the T&C.". that's utterly pathetic.No we can't lock this topic because we need people to SEE this so that the change can be done so that YCM doesn't possibly get into legal issues.If you didn't notice there's a mod in this topic and nothing happened yet, so it will stay not locked until that happens.Did you not notice the several people saying exactly that? That it should be put somewhere?You're not saying anything new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 No we can't lock this topic because we need people to SEE this so that the change can be done so that YCM doesn't possibly get into legal issues. If you didn't notice there's a mod in this topic and nothing happened yet, so it will stay not locked until that happens. Did you not notice the several people saying exactly that? That it should be put somewhere? You're not saying anything new.*Scans through entire topic* Literally no one mentions the terms and conditions except me (unless i missed something). Giga suggested adding a check box (lol. that'd be effective). but really, i don't see people suggesting changes at all. (at least effective ones) (no offense Giga) but other than me, Giga seems like the only one who suggested a change. so excuse me if you find me rude, but at least i'm providing an idea to a problem that could arise rather than talking about what we've already done to account(s) not 13+. i might be an ass, but i get to the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted August 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 *Scans through entire topic* Literally no one mentions the terms and conditions except me (unless i missed something). Giga suggested adding a check box (lol. that'd be effective). but really, i don't see people suggesting changes at all. (at least effective ones) (no offense Giga)but other than me, Giga seems like the only one who suggested a change. so excuse me if you find me rude, but at least i'm providing an idea to a problem that could arise rather than talking about what we've already done to account(s) not 13+. i might be an ass, but i get to the point.A check box is basically terms and conditions. Cause the terms and conditions usually have a check box saying you read the terms and conditions. And neither terms and conditions or a check box are "effective" since all those things can be ignored, but either one of them will prevent legal action from being taken against the site, because it shows they are at least trying to get across that certain age groups aren't supposed to be here. And honestly, getting to the point and being an ass about it is often not very effective. Especially since one does not always get to the point in the process of...uhh....assery. But that's a different matter entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Fire Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 A check box is basically terms and conditions. Cause the terms and conditions usually have a check box saying you read the terms and conditions. And neither terms and conditions or a check box are "effective" since all those things can be ignored, but either one of them will prevent legal action from being taken against the site, because it shows they are at least trying to get across that certain age groups aren't supposed to be here.eh. T&C would be better imo. a check box separate from the T&C might not get us out of legal stuff, while stuff in the T&C definitely will; even if it's ignored.sorry that saying 'check box' sounds like it's gonna be separate from T&C, but that's what it sounds like to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Just as a sidenote guys, the rules have been updated with a reminder that you need to be 13+ to register for YCM.(Otherwise, a notice in News mentioning this might help) As for things related to enforcement, right now, we'll just suspend members on-sight who we have definitive proof of being under the age of 13 (either you mention it somewhere on the forum, or profile explicitly says that). Thus far, both of the known members have been dealt with; there are likely more that are currently inactive, or only using the cardmaker. Also keep in mind that some of you would have been subjected to the same thing (temporary account suspension) during the time you registered, if this had been strictly enforced. ---------Terms & Conditions link appears to not be working though, so mentioning it clear-on in there isn't a viable option at this time.I've brought the checkbox issue up with Night/evilfusion to see if it can be done; likely is, but I do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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