Blake Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Chaos EnvoyDARK Warrior LV 4 / ATK 1500/ DEF 0(1) During either player’s battle phase: Target a “Black Luster soldier” monster or “Gaia the Fierce Knight” monster you control; it gains 1500 ATK until the end of the turn. This turn, any monster that battles it has its attack become its original attack during damage calculation only.(2) During the End Phase, if this card is in your graveyard: you can banish 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your graveyard; add this card from your graveyard to your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Are they still trying to make BLS Support. How crappy is this.... ........... Did they just give BLS AND Gaia a freaking Kalut that recycles itself? And it still sucks. Wow..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 It....really still doesn't help the flaws of this archetype at all. It's very awkward considering it needs to be on the field to use the effect, and the effect to add itself is not manual but only possible during the EP. The only possible way to make this work is to have this and another of the chibi knights used as Ritual Fodder, then add itself back as well as triggering banish effects. But it's still impractical, because there is a lot of resource investment required here, which is something BLS needs to recover from and having coherent protection for BLS against destruction or targeting effects would be nice, but this is completely subpar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 This helps BLS-EoTB that just went to 2 in the October OCG banlist people KoJ made this card perspective helps...everyone and their mothers know that Ritual BLS sucks, this is more support for an actual chaos deck 4500 ATK BLS vs anything should scare you shitless, it can trigger wyvern in the grave, is a recurring dark for LPD plays, lv 4 with chibi dragons That being said, we'll have to see if we get a light guy too, cause that'll be the sheet, return 1 banished dark and 1 banished light to grave to add that card back to hand? Would be literally everything Chaos has been missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 This helps BLS-EoTB that just went to 2 in the October OCG banlist people KoJ made this card perspective helps 4500 ATK BLS vs anything should scare you shitless, it can trigger wyvern in the grave, is a recurring dark for LPD plays, lv 4 with chibi dragons To be fair, when it comes to BLS support the first thing we would think about is how it actually supports the archetype considering the current buildup Konami has given us sucks. The EP effect on Chaos Envoy seems somewhat decent to be generic, but if I were play 2 BLS in OCG in something like Snowsworns, Snow does the job better at triggering the necessary cards at once while being fodder and can flip down a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 To be fair, when it comes to BLS support the first thing we would think about is how it actually supports the archetype considering the current buildup Konami has given us sucks. The EP effect on Chaos Envoy seems somewhat decent to be generic, but if I were play 2 BLS in OCG in something like Snowsworns, Snow does the job better at triggering the necessary cards at once while being fodder and can flip down a card. I think Konami realizes their archetype sucks too, y'all just need to think outside the box You know that Thunder Dragon Reprint in the tournament pack that we were wondering what it was supporting? It might be be Chaos actually Lightsworn chaos might have hit it's limit. EP milling is too slow, Raiden is basically the only good one you should go for these days. I feel a melody/trade-in/allure engine off CED would be better for grave set up than the old builds with Snowsworns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 this is gud now give me moar bls support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 this is gud now give me moar bls supportWe're probs gonna get the inverse of this card, moving chaos material from banished => grave and adding back to hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 I'm trying not to laugh at Konami. This is the definition of embarrassing. Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Not too sure, but the wording on the (1) effect seems to apply that Chaos Envoy needs to be on the field to provide the boost. Otherwise, this is, well, meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Not too sure, but the wording on the (1) effect seems to apply that Chaos Envoy needs to be on the field to provide the boost. Otherwise, this is, well, meh.You are correct actually. It takes the card from eh to being more laughable then a Meek Mill diss track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 This seems like it was supposed to discard itself. It would make a lot more sense for both parts, and konami usually does pretty ok with legacy support. Shouldn't we also be getting more cards anyway, if red eyes last set was anything to base our assumptions on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 It's strange how call of the haunted might actually become better than monster reborn in the case of a chaos deck. Between stuff like Sacred Soldier, LPD, and this, it's honestly betterI'm trying not to laugh at Konami. This is the definition of embarrassing. Yikes!Care to elaborate, or we sticking to sheet posts w/o detail today This seems like it was supposed to discard itself. It would make a lot more sense for both parts, and konami usually does pretty ok with legacy support. Shouldn't we also be getting more cards anyway, if red eyes last set was anything to base our assumptions on I can think of three pretty good was to get that done This seems like it was supposed to discard itself. It would make a lot more sense for both parts, and konami usually does pretty ok with legacy support. Shouldn't we also be getting more cards anyway, if red eyes last set was anything to base our assumptions on1) Melody of the Awakened Dragon - add 2 CED-EotE (allure/trade in) from there2) Half the material for LPD 3) Ditch for Exchange to add Raiden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Care to elaborate, or we sticking to s*** posts w/o detail todayThere isn't even a lot to say really. It has to activate on the field, which is just gah, and the second effect feels like a forced tack on as a sub par method to trigger the chibis. There is little to no incentive to even want to touch this let alone the rest of the clunky BLS support, which really frustrates me as there are a few solid pieces to it stuck by a rather asinine core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kyo- Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 both the org and wiki say you discard this for the first effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 There isn't even a lot to say really. It has to activate on the field, which is just gah, and the second effect feels like a forced tack on as a sub par method to trigger the chibis. There is little to no incentive to even want to touch this let alone the rest of the clunky BLS support, which really frustrates me as there are a few solid pieces to it stuck by a rather asinine core.Again, it's meant for CHAOS, not the shitty ritual deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Chaos EnvoyDARK Warrior LV 4 / ATK 1500/ DEF 0(1) During either player’s battle phase: Target a “Black Luster soldier” monster or “Gaia the Fierce Knight” monster you control; it gains 1500 ATK until the end of the turn. This turn, any monster that battles it has its attack become its original attack during damage calculation only.(2) During the End Phase, if this card is in your graveyard: you can banish 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your graveyard; add this card from your graveyard to your hand. RATE-JP025 混沌の使者 Konton no Shisha (Envoy of Chaos)DARK Warrior LV 4 / ATK 1500/ DEF 0(1) During either player’s Battle Phase: You can discard this card, then target 1 “Black Luster Soldier” monster or “Gaia The Fierce Knight” monster you control; it gains 1500 ATK until the end of this turn. This turn, any monster that battles it has its ATK become its original ATK during damage calculation only.(2) During the End Phase, if this card is in your Graveyard: You can banish 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your Graveyard; add this card from your Graveyard to your hand. Update the text please before people wrongly keep panning the card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Yes Kalut for Etob Also stops UTL from outing the thing you have on the field. While this isn't currently relevant as neither BLS nor GtFK have any unaffecteds or even anything uncastelable or unraigekiable, should that happen this would be very relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 At least this card is a step in the right direction- It doesn't directly interact with any Ritual stuff, which is honestly what's funking over the Archetype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 At least this card is a step in the right direction- It doesn't directly interact with any Ritual stuff, which is honestly what's f***ing over the Archetype.Honestly if they hadn't made super soldier and just went all in on the "give vanilla BLS effects" thing, I'd have been much happier, especially since Pre-prep got released 2 sets later. EDIT: Also if the knights gave effects by being mats for a BLS monster, like they had orginally been translated to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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