New Avengers Set [May 2012]

[Xi-3]

Remember my original Avengers Set where I had way too many cards to make a decent deck due to overwhelming choice? This time instead of trying to get every useful Avenger into a single set I've divided them according to team roster. There will thus be a set for the Avengers (Main Team), New Avengers, Secret Avengers, and Reserve Avengers (those I still want to see because they're awesome characters). In the end you'll be able to choose from the different sets to create your own Ultimate Avengers Deck.

Most of the characters will have two cards, where their powers differ or they've gained more experience. There are some (most notably Ben Grimm) with only one. That's because I couldn't really do much with him that wasn't already covered. I am also pleased that this set will include some newer developments: the Anti-Sinister Six Spider Suit, Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel, and a teaser about Earth-616's Peter Parker crossing into Earth-1610 for a team-up with Miles Morales in [i]Spider-Men[/i].

[spoiler=Tier-1 Avengers]
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[spoiler=Tier-2 Avenger]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/B-Nuts/New%20Avengers%20YGO%20Cards/NAEN201stephenstrange.jpg[/img] [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Tier-3 Avengers]
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[spoiler=Tier-4 Avenger]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/B-Nuts/New%20Avengers%20YGO%20Cards/NAEN401stephenstrange.jpg[/img] [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Spells]
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[spoiler=Traps]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/B-Nuts/New%20Avengers%20YGO%20Cards/NAEN701closeevasion.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/B-Nuts/New%20Avengers%20YGO%20Cards/NAEN702luckweb.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/B-Nuts/New%20Avengers%20YGO%20Cards/NAEN703powerdive.jpg[/img] [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Fusions]
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I do not offer apologies to those who have seen the Iron Spider suit in action on [i]Ultimate Spider-Man[/i]: the original does not have repulsortech. I dislike the cartoonish nature of the show, and some of the asides are strange. Still, there are some things left to enjoy it -- and seeing Nova, Luke, and Danny as teenagers is interesting.

In any case, please do rate/comment/offer suggestions. I will begin work on the main Avengers team next.

[Xi-3]

I made some numbering mistakes on Daredevil's and Spider-Man's cards. I fixed them. I also added the Spell with Shang-chi, which I wanted anyway to enhance Spider-Man's abilities.

When I get back today I will add the Avengers (Main Team) Set, which I completed last night.

[Mistery Hunter]

Hmm nice topic, I don't know if you'll continue this set or not... i certainly hope so, but i like your cards as always. overall rating... (I suck at giving these things) 7/10

[Xi-3]

Thank you.
I might add or change cards as events shape the team. In the meantime, I will continue to create cards for the other Avengers teams.

I don't know if anyone on these boards reads the Canadian newspaper, National Post. This week its Arts section had a poll for top Avengers by era. So far it's Iron Man (Tony Stark), Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers), and Wolverine (Logan). Captain America (James Buchanan) has tied with Doctor Strange (Stephen Strange) today. And I still don't like that Logan beat Spider-Man, but I guess he impressed more people because of the movies.

[Ben Sage Futernick]

There are many card text errors. For example, all of the Tier 1 cards say that you can summon "Lv8", which is improper. You have to clarify what they're summoning; i.e. "Luke Cage/Power Man Lv8". Also, for Peter Parker/Spider-Man, how does he negate anything? He can't gain any counters with his current effect. Wolverine references "poisoning or influencing" effects; those don't exist in Yugioh. Ben Grimm references controlling FF Heroes, but no card has FF Hero in its name. I understand that you mean Fantastic Four Hero, but you can't do that in card text. A few cards reference "tributing" counters, it should be "removing". Luke Cage Lv8 references Ice effects, which also don't exist. Avenging Spider-Man references "suits", you should say "a "Suit" equip card". Typings are all over the place too. And that's only looking at the monsters.

[Xi-3]

Thank you for your advice. I appreciate that you are being specific. I will now explain why I phrased things that way: it's so the text size does not shrink, making it more difficult to read the text and use the card. For the issues upon which you have touched:

1. 'Special Summon Lv8:' It's obviously Level-8 of that card. I could use the same terms as on my earlier sets and say 'of Level-8 or lower,' but then that's opening things up in a different direction by removing a limit. I felt that would be inappropriate for cards based on characters as powerful as the Avengers.

2. Spider-Man has the ability to negate 1 of a monster, Spell, or Trap effect -- condensed as 'effect' by detecting it ahead of time with his Spider Sense and moving so the threat does not hit him -- which is why Venom can negate it. This is why it's limited to just one, instead of granting immunity to all monster effects, Spells, or Traps. All of the Avengers are like that, because it also acts as a concession to abilities that require some sort of 'cool down' time. Granted, Spider-Man is not fast enough to dodge everything that gets thrown at him. He's not anyway, since I believe that for every card there is a counter-card. I happen to have made one for Spider-Man, which means others can too. The condensing shorthand I used allows him to gain the Counters he needs. Like I said, it's more a matter of fitting what I want to onto the cards so they can still he read. It's not as if I expect to be able to use these in any sort of official duel, and I know that there are some chances I will have to explain things so another person can use these cards (after all, that's what I'm doing now). Konami's clumsy official grammar does not matter as much to me as getting the meaning across. If it's not quite as intuitive as I thought, maybe someone could help me clean it up a bit.

3. Poisoning, controlling, and Ice effects may not exist officially, but I know some of these exist in some of my other sets. Evangeline, for example, is big on Ice effects and Spells. Mostly, though, I was concerned with reflecting the characters' abilities as they are portrayed. Cage happens to be resistant to extreme temperatures as well as having 'unbreakable skin.'

4. It is required that a card have its category or group affiliation in its name? I did not know that. I mean, I know that Archfiends and Elemental Heroes often do, but not like that. Just as a Point of Information, however, the Fantastic Four no longer exists. It is now the Future Foundation, and there are some heroes with 'Future Foundation' either in the name or under the 'Circulation' field. Maybe that's one more thing I could update, before I upload the Reserve Avengers Set. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

5. I'm guessing 'removing' is a part of the OCG. To me, if an action is part of a tribute summon system it should also say 'tribute.' It just seems to make more sense -- but then who says it has to make sense, when a lot of official stuff does not make sense at all. I suppose 'removing' would be just as easy to use as 'tributing' if we were just talking about Counters. I am afraid this is another condensing effect, where I say 'tribute Luke with # Counters to Special Summon' instead of 'tribute this monster and remove # Counters to Special Summon.' I never thought it was a major issue if it allowed me to save space and get the same meaning across. If the meaning is not coming across, however, then the issue is that I am not being clear enough, and I need to think about how to rephrase it so it's clear. If that does not still fit, then I need to remove the effect because otherwise it'll be too much text, and shrink it all.

I am guessing by 'typings' you are referring to my shorthand. True, OCG does not matter much to me. I still want to at least approximate it so others can infer the meaning. If they cannot then I need to rethink things, as I said. It is critical to me that the text size remain the same, so if I have to remove an effect I will.

EDIT: Forget what I said about using 'heroes' as an archetype. I use it as a general term for the card type, as a substitute for 'monster,' which is entirely inappropriate to these cards... unless you're talking about Red Hulk or someone else with an entirely monstrous attitude.

[Ben Sage Futernick]

Apologies for the late response. Thank you for your explanations, but a couple things should be addressed anyway.

1. It's irrelevant if it's obvious; it still has to be clarified. Otherwise, it's legally exploitable.
2. Please put Spider-Man's negation text in, otherwise his effect is useless.
3. Perhaps for Cage, it could have something about not being affected by traps? Similar to Wildheart? Poison, control, etc. simply do not exist.
4. It is required. Void Ogre Dragon is pretty clearly affiliated with Infernity, but is incompatible with their support because of its name.
P.S. That's pretty cool, I didn't know the Fantastic Four changed. Gotta catch up
5. I see. I suppose that's fair.

By typings, I mean the cards sometimes have "Avenger", "Samurai", "Ki-Shii", "Spy", etc. but these don't exist as legitimate typings. Also, cards should not have multiple types listed. A monster has a Type (Pyro, Sea Serpent, Warrior, etc.) and a Category (Effect, Tuner, Gemini, etc.), and sometimes have "Synchro", "Fusion", "Ritual", or "Xyz" listed.

Besides that, I like the idea of the archetype. Good job!

[Xi-3]

Immunity to Traps is not quite right for Cage. Not across the whole category, I mean, because some Traps are driven by different forces. It may be easier to keep it as an immunity to specific types of effects until I can figure out how to apply it better.

Where can I find a complete list of the Types and Categories (and the differences between them)? I did not realize they only can have one of each. It's especially noticeable in the Ala Alba Set, where many of the Spellcasters are also Warriors because of their focus on combat magic. My custom sub-types (Avenger, Samurai, Ki-shii, Spy) depend most upon the characters' personalities. They're also the reason I felt I did not have to put 'Avenger' in all their names. Remember as well that official Archetypes and Types are not a requirement for the Popular Culture cards. I included them because otherwise you don't get an indication of how these cards are supposed to interact with other cards. I made it easy, since most of the Avengers are either Warriors or Spellcasters (so far as I know).

[labixiaoxin]

I want to say thank you a lot for the job you have made in writing this piece of writing. I am hoping the same most reliable work from you down the road too.

[Xi-3]

Um... what? Are you farming or spamming? Could you tell me for what you should be reported?

Sometimes you need a Demotivational Poster to express how you feel. Such as this one:
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[SunniZek]

Besides the general errors these aren't half bad. I like the choice of pics for the majority, although I think the maybe you could limit the type usage a bit. Seeing Warrior/Avenger/Martial Artist/Effect is kind of long. Just saying.

[mike_destrall]

there are only 2 things that i really dont like about your cards... one bigger than the other: one is the fake types which isnt that big of a deal but still kinda bugs me... the other is the fact that you refer to the characters by their name in the cards effect, thats a big ocg mistake in my opinion you know what i mean?

like this: Each turn add 1 counter to [b][u]Luke[/u][/b]
it should be: each turn add 1 counter to [u][b]this monster[/b][/u]
or: each turn add 1 counter to [b][u]"Luke Cage/Power Man"[/u][/b]


see what i mean? also the name you give to the effects Poison, control, etc. simply do not exist. but someone already pointed it out and you seem to be ok with the way it is now so its cool by me, just thought you could add a little more playability and realism to your cards...

[Xi-3]

All these cards are Avengers in some way, but not all my hero cards are Avengers. Then again, I use 'hero' more in the Spell and Trap cards these days, where initially I used 'Avenger.' It doesn't matter so much anymore, but still I think I've got a few that refer to them that way. The other types are more as an indication of whether or not the character can be used in a Pactio when interacting with cards from my other sets. They don't have any other bearing otherwise -- oh wait, I'm wrong: 'Lessons from Shang-Chi' only works on non-martial artists and non-ki users. It does make a difference.

I see teeny tiny text in my future. I tried to limit the effects I could put into the cards by the amount I could put in before the text shrinks. That's one reason I prefer to use the character's name instead of "this card" or "this hero" (remember I don't use 'monster' for these sets?). And "this card" is so impersonal, don't you think? The most important thing is: can you understand what the cards are supposed to do through their effects? Oh, "this hero" isn't OCG either. I'm terrible at this.

So there aren't any cards that poison other cards (Crush Card Virus) or control them (Change of Heart) anymore? That's good news. If they don't exist I can take the effect out of the cards. Maybe that'd give me the space to change the names in the description to "this hero?"

[mike_destrall]

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All these cards are Avengers in some way, but not all my hero cards are Avengers. Then again, I use 'hero' more in the Spell and Trap cards these days, where initially I used 'Avenger.' It doesn't matter so much anymore, but still I think I've got a few that refer to them that way. The other types are more as an indication of whether or not the character can be used in a Pactio when interacting with cards from my other sets. They don't have any other bearing otherwise -- oh wait, I'm wrong: 'Lessons from Shang-Chi' only works on non-martial artists and non-ki users. It does make a difference.

I see teeny tiny text in my future. I tried to limit the effects I could put into the cards by the amount I could put in before the text shrinks. That's one reason I prefer to use the character's name instead of "this card" or "this hero" (remember I don't use 'monster' for these sets?). And "this card" is so impersonal, don't you think? The most important thing is: can you understand what the cards are supposed to do through their effects? Oh, "this hero" isn't OCG either. I'm terrible at this.

So there aren't any cards that poison other cards (Crush Card Virus) or control them (Change of Heart) anymore? That's good news. If they don't exist I can take the effect out of the cards. Maybe that'd give me the space to change the names in the description to "this hero?"
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all im saying is there is other ways to phrase those effs... ways more according with th current game... but again, your cards your rules

[Xi-3]

Well, if you have any examples of ways to express the same effects according to OCG please do feel free to share them (or at least name cards that have similar types of effects so I can go look them up). Or maybe there's another cardmaker that lets you get closer to the bottom of the description field without shrinking the text at a ridiculous rate? All I know is that the text becomes too small to read if you print them after the second shrink.

One thing I liked about entering Boss Contest #2 is that guuu1234, the guy who was running it, took my entries seriously enough to post what the OCG version of my cards' effects would be. If you have even one such example to share, I'd appreciate it.

[Comit]

I'm new and not the best card maker for sure, but your suppose to make the cards seem official, and these have fake Sub-Types. Fix it.
I like heroes though so I like the idea.
Effects are okay, creative, and useful.
Just try to create them more like the official Yu-Gi-Oh cards.
My rate though is an 8/10.
Good job man.

[Xi-3]

The fake sub-types are permitted on the Pop Culture boards, Comit. Even if that's the only problem with the cards they can be mostly ignored. There are a few other cards that target specific sub-types, so that's one reason why they're there. Not a single card here would ever be made official, due to copyright issues. As the others have noted, I am also somewhat more free with terms in the effects, often to the point where I'm nowhere close to the OCG -- or at least, that's the feeling I get from their comments. Point is, mine are a whole new breed of card. Please feel free to take any inspiration you might. If you're willing to be restricted by official archetypes, you should probably make all efforts to follow the OCG as well. I've done what I could, but as I said a new breed of cards have new types of effects as well. They do reflect their heroes, though.

[Comit]

[sup]Meh, still don't like the Sub-Types, but that's your call.[/sup]
I could see though that the effects were based off the powers which is quite creative.

[Xi-3]

Thanks.
I appreciate any specific suggestions you might have about how to handle the ones that were being discussed above. I still have not found a good alternate fix, which is one reason I have kept them that way. The other is that the current cardmaker glitch is cutting numbers off.