Dark Tiras Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [size=6][b]READ THE SECOND POST FOR TOPIC. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE POST.[/b][/size] -Yuzuru Otonashi This card would be ran in many decks and would fit right in with the current DinoRabbit Meta [img]http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj507/xAzazelNZ/stratos11.jpg[/img] as always please rate and give feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Alright, at Icy’s suggestion I’m opening and pinning this thread as a discussion topic for what RC thinks should qualify as an overly broken card. In the end, it’s the mods’ say, but I want to hear your opinion before I make a ruling on this. As you can see, he made a card that makes Tour Guide look crappy, which is no small feat. The worst part is how he did it on purpose. So, let’s discuss what constitutes a balance/brokenness for now. The advanced clause doesn’t apply here but, please, discuss intelligently. Good examples to start with would be the following, to get an idea: Tour Guide from the Underworld Resuce Cat Rescue Rabbit Evoltile Casinerio Naturia White Oak Gladiator Beast Secutor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 First off, you do know that it could not search Rabbit right? Secondly, you do know that it is absolutely insane? It is an instant level 7, 6, 5, 4 Synchro OR a instant level 3 Xyz, and it does not even negate the effect; it would be played in every single meta deck ever. It is absolutely completely and extremely OP'd. The Field Spell search just breaks it farther in DW. I literally cannot stress how much this would break the game. Oh yea, and did I mention that it helps ALL of these decks: rescue Rabbit, Wind Up, Inzector? And did I mention that NONE of these decks need ANY help at ALL? This card is worse design than pot of greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
·Toot Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 This card is so broken, shattered glass laughs at it. wut? lol but this card is pretty broken. With this I can get rabbit to throw laggia/dolka at someone with ease. Make my opponent rage quit after brionac. Kill something with Grapha and if I don't have a face-up DW, I can just search reborn or something. If I'm in a jam I can instantly get Dark Hole or Storm, thus freeing me to do what ever I please. And that's probably not even half of it. And that crappy pic looks oddly familiar. Lol this thing really needs to be fixed my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1333249544' post='5897045'] First off, you do know that it could not search Rabbit right? Secondly, you do know that it is absolutely insane? It is an instant level 7, 6, 5, 4 Synchro OR a instant level 3 Xyz, and it does not even negate the effect; it would be played in every single meta deck ever. It is absolutely completely and extremely OP'd. The Field Spell search just breaks it farther in DW. I literally cannot stress how much this would break the game. Oh yea, and did I mention that it helps ALL of these decks: rescue Rabbit, Wind Up, Inzector? And did I mention that NONE of these decks need ANY help at ALL? This card is worse design than pot of greed. [/quote] [quote name='Yuuichirou' timestamp='1333250467' post='5897064'] This card is so broken, shattered glass laughs at it. wut? lol but this card is pretty broken. With this I can get rabbit to throw laggia/dolka at someone with ease. Make my opponent rage quit after brionac. Kill something with Grapha and if I don't have a face-up DW, I can just search reborn or something. If I'm in a jam I can instantly get Dark Hole or Storm, thus freeing me to do what ever I please. And that's probably not even half of it. And that crappy pic looks oddly familiar. Lol this thing really needs to be fixed my friend. [/quote] Can you guys read? Or did you not see the OTHER pinned topic like this that was locked as an example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wave_Sine Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Well, for the first post that's actually on-topic, I know from experience the following: Restrictions =/= Balance and Life Point Payment =/= Good restriction I have learned both of those though my cards (most of which haven't been posted here) that did both of those. At one point I made a high-level monster with 5000 ATK that couldn't attack, but could reduce its ATK to deal burn damage. However, the "can't attack" restriction isn't really a restriction at all, due to Skill Drain. Another card I haven't redone was basically a better version of CyDrag that could be summoned when one had fewer monsters than their opponent for a Life Point cost. I hope anyone can see why that would be broken, especially when it had Monarch level stats. My point is, restrictions on a card that may as well say "You win the game" either won't be enough (e.g. Rescue Rabbit) or will be too much (e.g. Horakty or Sophia). Either it will be still overpowered, or severely underpowered. So, for all Realistic Cards people, take the above boolean equations to heart, as well as my wall of text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
·Toot Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1333250989' post='5897073'] Can you guys read? Or did you not see the OTHER pinned topic like this that was locked as an example? [/quote]Ahh... I see lol But it is discussion right? lol my bad though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 I posted before it was pinned (or rather, as it was being pinned.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Temple Gaurdian Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 It's hard to determine what'd be overly broken on certain, off-the-wall cards as new ideas and methods of play can cuase unforseen advantages. But on basic cards like this I'd say overly broken cards are cards that offer the user benefits with no drawbacks, such as the above. It offers a free special summon with no restrictions on the summoned monster, except it has to be level 4 or lower; which doesn't really count as a restriction. Pot of Greed is overly broken for the same reason. Exodia would be, but it has the restriction of requiring all five pieces. tl;dr (how? ) : If it offers an advantage with no drawbacks or restrictions, it's more than likely overly broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 For me if you go in with the mind set of trying to make a better version of Tour Guide, etc.. you are going to a road to an obviously broken card. In my opinion, a broken card is when a card gives a player to much advantage for no or little cost (Tour Guide from the Underworld -> Leviair -> w/e), or disrupts your opponent's field to a very high extent for little or no cost (Harpie's Feather Duster/Rageiki). For me balance is anything that gives advantage or disrupts the opponent in a small way with a sufficient cost. To be honest, I think people just need to change their mind sets. Don't go in trying to make a staple in the TCG something better. Try to take cards that are not commonly used and make better, usable versions of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Don't go in trying to make a staple in the TCG something better. [/quote][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]I think I agree. Creating semi-staples that do something NEW and good for the game,that is good. But creating a better version of an already existing staple, allowing BOTH to be used in the same deck... that is a bad idea. I hardly think TGU needs power creep.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Also, whenever you take a tier 1 terribly designed deck (aka rescue rabbit) and attempt to make it BETTER... then you also have a problem. [/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Why are you guys even bothering to argue and explain on this? I mean, anyone with even a vague understanding of the game can instantly see this is beyond broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1333297369' post='5897580'] Why are you guys even bothering to argue and explain on this? I mean, anyone with even a vague understanding of the game can instantly see this is beyond broken. [/quote] More about discussing card design on Rescue Guide - esque cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 TBH I think anything that turns into a Xyz is terrible card design and doesn't deserve to be printed, unless it's really situational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote=Yuzuru Otonashi] Gladiator Beast Secutor [/quote] ... how is Secutor an OP'd card.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1333312047' post='5897959'] ... how is Secutor an OP'd card.... [/quote] He probably used that as an example because it technically does the exact same as TGU or Rabbit, but has the problem where you have to keep it alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 And the problem where if you draw it you die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1333312248' post='5897968'] He probably used that as an example because it technically does the exact same as TGU or Rabbit, but has the problem where you have to keep it alive. [/quote] We did. The "Rescue Guide Cards", as I called them in our discussion was cards that pulled 1 or more cards from your Deck to the field with no cost at all (or at the least notable cost). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]We did. The "Rescue Guide Cards", as I called them in our discussion was cards that pulled 1 or more cards from your Deck to the field with no cost at all (or at the least notable cost). [/quote][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Nimble Monmonga. Not only does it pull 2 cards to the field from your deck with no cost, but it ALSO gives you 1000 Life Points. :0 [/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1333314603' post='5898026'] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Nimble Monmonga. Not only does it pull 2 cards to the field from your deck with no cost, but it ALSO gives you 1000 Life Points. :0 [/size][/font][/color] [/quote] Has to be destroyed by battle =O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [url="http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/d/d0/NaturiaWhiteOakHA04-EN-ScR-1E.jpg"][img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110422061727/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d0/NaturiaWhiteOakHA04-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-NaturiaWhiteOakHA04-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img][/url] This is another "Rescue Cat" esque card, but it's nowhere near as good as Rabbit or Cat because it's way too specific and situational. Theoretically worse than Secutor. Cards like Nimble Momonga, Giant Germ and Hyena are terrible on the modern game because their mechanic is slow and unpractical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Imagine all the combos you could do with this. O__O;; fun with Stratos fun with Sangan fun with Sabers fun with Wind-Ups OH GOD, WIND-UPS *jizzes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRecon Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 You banned my best freind for making this card, he said it was broken for christs sake. I've changed everything he said about it to make an example. But yes it is a very broke card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 [quote name='GhostRecon' timestamp='1336864809' post='5938184'] You banned my best freind for making this card, he said it was broken for christs sake. I've changed everything he said about it to make an example. But yes it is a very broke card [/quote] You necrobumped. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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