EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 This trap card will obviously be a Limited or Forbidden card, but it's a pretty cool card. Enjoy [img]http://i.imgur.com/xiBg5.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 By Limited or Forbidden, you mean E-banned for being seriously broken beyond belief? This card gives you more copies of your powerful Limited cards such as Heavy Storm and Dark Hole, and having eleventy bajillion copies of those running about is not balanced at all. Spell/Trap re-use is not something you can take lightly. Magician of Faith is banned, DMoC is banned, and multi-Heavy Storms/Holes are not good. You need requirements, costs, and maybe even restrictions before you make a card that lets you have that second Heavy. Also, Quick-play Traps aren't real. This would be a Normal Trap, as Counter Trap is pointless here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 there are no quick-play trap card and this card is broke since you can activate any spell or trap in your deck for no cost before it becomes that card and you know it yet you posted it any ways you even admitted to it in the first post [Spoiler=i was typing and finnishing my post when "A Background Character" beat me to the punch] nothing to see here except this spoiler's title does it feel good to know you just wasted time out of your life to read this and realize that it was just wasted ? [/Spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 ok, i'll fix it.Okay. Fixed it. sorry about that, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 3000 is a lot, but it's nothing when you get to activate Dark Hole from your Deck to save yourself. In fact, activating Dark Hole from your Deck during your opponent's turn is not balanced at all. You'll need to look at the other cards that have the cost/effect of Spells/Traps (I think it's just Traps), and see how those work. First of all, activating from the Deck is just a big no, and that needs to be fixed to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Do you want to fix it to your liking, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon415 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='A Background Character' timestamp='1346524462' post='6017366'] 3000 is a lot, but it's nothing when you get to activate Dark Hole from your Deck to save yourself. In fact, activating Dark Hole from your Deck during your opponent's turn is not balanced at all. You'll need to look at the other cards that have the cost/effect of Spells/Traps (I think it's just Traps), and see how those work. First of all, activating from the Deck is just a big no, and that needs to be fixed to something else. [/quote] I don't See why you are freaking out over it so badly, its just a card xD, But if we are going to talk about how its effect is OP it really isnt, seeing how once you use it you have also payed 3,000 life points. Any deck that is well built can come back from having all monsters on their feild destroyed. It can even be countered by a starlight road. in my opinion, no spell/trap you can get from your deck is worth paying 3,000 life points for unless you know for a fact what your opponent has in their hand/field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 thank you, drogon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='EpicBoss99' timestamp='1346524630' post='6017370'] Do you want to fix it to your liking, then? [/quote] But this is your card. If I did that, I might as well make a new thread and everything. [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Trap_of_Darkness]By the way, here's one of the aforementioned cards.[/url] [quote name='drogon415' timestamp='1346525920' post='6017381'] I don't See why you are freaking out over it so badly, its just a card xD, But if we are going to talk about how its effect is OP it really isnt, seeing how once you use it you have also payed 3,000 life points. Any deck that is well built can come back from having all monsters on their feild destroyed. It can even be countered by a starlight road. [/quote] Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is just a card. Yes, Decks can sometimes recover from being destroyed by a Dark Hole, but this lets you use it to disrupt your opponent's big plays. Like how Raigeki Break is better than Tribute to the Doomed, and not just for being able to target more, Dark Hole the Trap Card would disrupt your opponent way too easily. Being able to be stopped by SLR isn't an argument at all. Cards can be countered by a ton of cards, it doesn't mean they aren't broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon415 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='A Background Character' timestamp='1346526290' post='6017384'] But this is your card. If I did that, I might as well make a new thread and everything. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Trap_of_Darkness"]By the way, here's one of the aforementioned cards.[/url] Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End is just a card. Yes, Decks can sometimes recover from being destroyed by a Dark Hole, but this lets you use it to disrupt your opponent's big plays. Like how Raigeki Break is better than Tribute to the Doomed, and not just for being able to target more, Dark Hole the Trap Card would disrupt your opponent way too easily. Being able to be stopped by SLR isn't an argument at all. Cards can be countered by a ton of cards, it doesn't mean they aren't broken. [/quote] I think you forget completely that you have to pay 3,000 lifepoints. That is a huge set back for an effect. If you have to pay that much i think that balances out the fact that you get to get 1 spell/trap from your deck. Some cards are just better than others. This card is not broken. The reason i mentioned a card that could counter it is to show you that this card isnt insanely overpowered because there are cards that are alot easier to be stopped than this one. SLR was just an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 How about if i delete the spell part, and u can only declare traps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon415 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='EpicBoss99' timestamp='1346526643' post='6017390'] How about if i delete the spell part, and u can only declare traps? [/quote] I honestly think that would make the card suck really badly. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 yeah, but then I could take out the "Pay 3000 life points" line...maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='drogon415' timestamp='1346526622' post='6017389'] I think you forget completely that you have to pay 3,000 lifepoints. That is a huge set back for an effect. If you have to pay that much i think that balances out the fact that you get to get 1 spell/trap from your deck. Some cards are just better than others. This card is not broken. [/quote] I can lose 8000 life points to my opponent winning the game, or I can lose 3000 to stay in the game. It's like how Solemn Judgement is an amazing card even if you have to pay 4000 life points sometimes. Plus, the design of this card would restrict future cards to make sure they don't combo with this for broken plays. [quote name='EpicBoss99' timestamp='1346526643' post='6017390'] How about if i delete the spell part, and u can only declare traps? [/quote] Make it Normal Traps so you don't have awkwardness like having this become a Continuous Trap. But whatever you do, get rid of the "from the Deck" part because this becoming essentially moar Torrential Tributes isn't that good of a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Alright. I'll edit it some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon415 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='EpicBoss99' timestamp='1346526951' post='6017397'] Alright. I'll edit it some more. [/quote] If you are going to try to make it more balanced you could proabaly make it say 1 trap card from the deck by paying 1,500 life points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicBoss99 Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Wow. That's exactly what I was going to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvernstorm Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='drogon415' timestamp='1346527084' post='6017399'] If you are going to try to make it more balanced you could proabaly make it say 1 trap card from the deck by paying 1,500 life points. [/quote] Do u mean 1500 cost is better than 3000 for this eff? [quote name='EpicBoss99' timestamp='1346527128' post='6017402'] Wow. That's exactly what I was going to say. [/quote] Reaaaalllyyy??? lol kidding bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='drogon415' timestamp='1346527084' post='6017399'] If you are going to try to make it more balanced you could proabaly make it say 1 trap card from the deck by paying 1,500 life points. [/quote] No you couldn't, it still becomes a second Solemn Judgment, a 3rd TT/Bottomless or something else like that at practically no cost whatsoever. The fact is that this sort of card is never going to be viable and can never be made and stay unbanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel. Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Its fixed as it is now so chill, look if you would it better add that you can only select normal spell but for spells only not traps. And think if you pay 3000 for any normal spell,any trap. It makes this a have card if limited 1 is just fine, look on the bad side Dark bribe can make you lose that much without getting its effect, sad. Well you tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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