[[Yugioh EOD]] • Insect Empress Vesperia •

[Saiba Aisu]

Hello, everyone. It's been a while since I posted anything in Realistic Cards, but I figured I would give it a shot. In this case, I decided to give you guys a sneak peak at another of the many Japanese-styled cards cards which will be featured in my current writing project, Yu-Gi-Oh! End of Days. This is the key card of one of the major heroes who has already been introduced, but has yet to actually Duel. She plays an Insect-Type Deck that focuses on Special Summoning to the opponent's field in order to provide fuel for card effects.

As always, your comments and suggestions are appreciated.

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Insect Empress Vesperia (Image Link)

- "Elise the Spider Queen" by Zeronis; "Spiderweb Stock Textures" by Kuschelirmel, Image + Japanese Edit by Saiba Aisu.



Insect Empress Vesperia
Level 8
Dark
Insect-Type/Effect
ATK 2700 / DEF 2400
You can Special Summon this card from your hand by tributing 2 Insect-Type monsters you control. This card inflicts piercing battle damage. Once per turn, during either player's turn, you can tribute 1 Insect-Type monster on either side of the field: negate the activation and effect of an opponent's card effect and send it to the Graveyard.

[Blake]

It's mediocre but badly designed.

 

It's like what Chimeratech Fortress Dragon turns Cyber Dragon into vs. Machines.

 

You've made a card that exists solely to be sided against Insects, provided they ever get the limelight again. You eat up their advantage to summon it, then you keep eating up their advantage to keep it alive. Sure it's once per turn, but you're still going to be eating up two of their cards more often than not with this card.

 

A realistic equivalent wouldn't use the opponent's monsters to negate, because that's beyond overkill in design. You can already summon it for free off of their insects, but rubbing that in their face, too?

 

If you want to keep it as is, it doesn't belong in Realistic Cards.

[Saiba Aisu]

I'm a bit confused. You're telling me it's "mediocre" but "overkill" at the same time?

 

You're clearly a bit confused on the inspiration behind this card. I wasn't even considering Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, I had Reptilianne Vaskii in mind when I made this card (which can use the opponent's monsters as tributes). It doesn't exist solely to be sided against Insects either, you can summon it fairly easily, provided that you tribute 2 of your own Insects. As for the negate effect, it really only comes into play if your opponent is running Insects (in the recent metagame, it would only really cripple Inzektors and perhaps Max C.C., super unlikely). Finally, you don't need to tribute the opponent's cards to keep it alive... More likely than not, you will be tributing your own Insects for that effect, since the odds of a mirror match are extremely low..

 

No offense, but your vehemence is unnecessary.. And your critique seems to have missed the mark... >_>

[Blake]

I'm telling you it's a mediocre card (besides as a side) with a horrible design to it. Being badly designed =/= broken or anything like that.

 

And you seemed to miss my point. I realize the design you had in mind was Vaskii, but no one in their mind would play it as such. They'd play it as a side card against Insects if they ever became relevant, like when bad players sided Vaskii against Dragon Rulers last format due to Dracossack. Or when you side Cyber Dragon against machines.

 

How you've made it, you don't need to run a single Insect to use it. It would just exist as a side card to shut things like Inzektors down. Regardless of the current meta, that's not a good design choice at all. There should not be 1-card win cons like this in the game.

 

It can be stopped, but unless they're in a fairly favorable position and you have no protection, getting over this seems unlikely at best.

 

Your intent hardly matters when the actual design goes beyond what you intended.

[Saiba Aisu]

Didn't you just say that I had Chimeratech Fortress Dragon in mind...?

 

I don't see the difference between this and other cards like Stardust / Shi En / Evolzaurs, you just need to play intelligently and get them to use the once-per-turn ability, then wipe this card out.

 

And again, I am going along with your discussion that this card would only be played as a Side.. which it wouldn't. It's a completely viable boss monster in an Insect-Type Deck where you summon it using your own cards.

 

Whatever, I'm over it. I don't even know why I bother posting on this dead site anyways.

[Blake]

Didn't you just say that I had Chimeratech Fortress Dragon in mind...?

It's mediocre but badly designed.
 
It's like what Chimeratech Fortress Dragon turns Cyber Dragon into vs. Machines.
 
You've made a card that exists solely to be sided against Insects, provided they ever get the limelight again. You eat up their advantage to summon it, then you keep eating up their advantage to keep it alive. Sure it's once per turn, but you're still going to be eating up two of their cards more often than not with this card.
 
A realistic equivalent wouldn't use the opponent's monsters to negate, because that's beyond overkill in design. You can already summon it for free off of their insects, but rubbing that in their face, too?
 
If you want to keep it as is, it doesn't belong in Realistic Cards.

Tell me where, and I'll admit defeat.

I never said you made it to be like Fortress Dragon, I said that's how it ended up.
 

I don't see the difference between this and other cards like Stardust / Shi En / Evolzaurs, you just need to play intelligently and get them to use the once-per-turn ability, then wipe this card out.

Shi En and the Evolzars are horrible, unfair design, what are you on about?

 

And again, I am going along with your discussion that this card would only be played as a Side.. which it wouldn't. It's a completely viable boss monster in an Insect-Type Deck where you summon it using your own cards.

No, it's pretty bad, because Insects aren't a boss rush deck that's good at summoning a ton of monsters, bar Inzektors, and negging yourself to have a 141 that's far worse at its job than, say, Herald of Perfection (who is also a badly designed card, but I digress), leaves no real reason to use it.

It would only be used as a card that flips the bird to Insects wherever they rise up.
 

Whatever, I'm over it. I don't even know why I bother posting on this dead site anyways.
[/suote]
Site's not dead. Ragequit if you must, but don't blame it on the site when you got a review in less than an hour. Not to mention the site's still got a good deal of general acticity.

[yugiohmakermasta]

Didn't you just say that I had Chimeratech Fortress Dragon in mind...?

 

I don't see the difference between this and other cards like Stardust / Shi En / Evolzaurs, you just need to play intelligently and get them to use the once-per-turn ability, then wipe this card out.

 

And again, I am going along with your discussion that this card would only be played as a Side.. which it wouldn't. It's a completely viable boss monster in an Insect-Type Deck where you summon it using your own cards.

 

Whatever, I'm over it. I don't even know why I bother posting on this dead site anyways.

I personally think it is a good card and would be a good main decked card and not a side deck. I don't completely agree with masquerade magician at all and think it is a good design.

[Saiba Aisu]

I never said you made it to be like Fortress Dragon, I said that's how it ended up.

 

For all intents and purposes, isn't that the same thing?

 Shi En and the Evolzars are horrible, unfair design, what are you on about?

 

What do you mean by "horrible?" Are they horrible because they are unfair? Because in case you haven't noticed, those are real cards.. Like I said, she is similar to those cards. It's a once per turn negation effect, it's not the end of the world.

 No, it's pretty bad, because Insects aren't a boss rush deck that's good at summoning a ton of monsters, bar Inzektors, and negging yourself to have a 141 that's far worse at its job than, say, Herald of Perfection (who is also a badly designed card, but I digress), leaves no real reason to use it.

 

? Insects have a few decent options for Special Summoning. Keep in mind that this card works with Tokens, as well. It just seems to me like you're acting a bit privileged / snobby and making very vague remarks on what qualifies as "badly designed." Unfortunately, Shi En, Evolzars, and Herald are all real cards. So your opinion on whether or not they are well designed is irrelevant..

It would only be used as a card that flips the bird to Insects wherever they rise up.

Site's not dead. Ragequit if you must, but don't blame it on the site when you got a review in less than an hour. Not to mention the site's still got a good deal of general acticity.

Lol, I'm not going to "ragequit" from one negative review. And yes, in comparison to the way things were before (say, one to two years ago, or even three) this place is a graveyard.
 

[Loyalist]

Nobody mentioning DNA surgery?

 

I do think that the card could work in insects but in all honestly I am doubtful I'd ever run more than 1 in inzektors but rather would try it out.

 

It can definitely see some potential use in the side deck ONLY if you have some sort of grudge against inzektors and hate the deck but seeing as there are no major insect decks seeing any play at the moment this is unlikely.

[Blake]

For all intents and purposes, isn't that the same thing?

... no, it's not. Design intent and design execution are completely different. I understand you weretrying to make it like Vaskii, but the problem there is that Vaskii fills a TINY niche that makes its design tolerable. This feels a huge niche, and makes it evolve to almost Chimeratech levels.

What do you mean by "horrible?" Are they horrible because they are unfair? Because in case you haven't noticed, those are real cards.. Like I said, she is similar to those cards. It's a once per turn negation effect, it's not the end of the world.

They're horribly designed because they're cards that promote a slippery slope for whoever makes them, and creates a volatile gamestate for the opponent.

This works based on the opponent's advantage. And negates anything once per turn. For simply running a hate card against your opponent. How can you not see the issue?
 

? Insects have a few decent options for Special Summoning. Keep in mind that this card works with Tokens, as well. It just seems to me like you're acting a bit privileged / snobby and making very vague remarks on what qualifies as "badly designed." Unfortunately, Shi En, Evolzars, and Herald are all real cards. So your opinion on whether or not they are well designed is irrelevant..

Have you actually looked at insects?

Very few of their cards swarm in any means without taking up valuable card advantage, and those that do are mostly Inzektor stuff. Shoving this into Inzektors isn't realistic at all.

See, that's where you're wrong. The point of realistic cards is to make well designed, realistic cards. Not to say "lol konmai did eet now ah can 2". To even argue "they exist, you lose" shows that you have no real idea of how the section is meant to work.

Konami releasing cards like Dragon Rulers, or, hell, even Inzektors does not make those cards realistic or well designed, at least for the intent of this subforum.

You can make powerful cards, sure, but make them well designed. Like, say... Number 101: Silent Honors Ark Knight, Starliege Paladynamo, Stardust Spark Dragon, Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo. None of these are problem cards, but they all have a powerful niche.

A card that says "you run insects so fuck you" is not a fair or well designed card.

Lol, I'm not going to "ragequit" from one negative review. And yes, in comparison to the way things were before (say, one to two years ago, or even three) this place is a graveyard.

I've been around since then. I've been in one of your RPs before. It's not really a graveyard, overall.

[Saiba Aisu]

... no, it's not. Design intent and design execution are completely different. I understand you weretrying to make it like Vaskii, but the problem there is that Vaskii fills a TINY niche that makes its design tolerable. This feels a huge niche, and makes it evolve to almost Chimeratech levels.They're horribly designed because they're cards that promote a slippery slope for whoever makes them, and creates a volatile gamestate for the opponent.

 

I thought you just said that the only time this would ever be used was in the Side Deck for a specific Type match up?? How do you call that a "huge niche?" It's the same as Shadow- and Light-Imprisoning Mirror, but you don't see them banned.. And I agree with you about the slippery slope, to a certain degree. It seems like for some time now, Konami has been releasing stronger and stronger cards with every new booster pack. It makes previous cards obselete, in a certain sense.

This works based on the opponent's advantage. And negates anything once per turn. For simply running a hate card against your opponent. How can you not see the issue?
 Have you actually looked at insects?

Very few of their cards swarm in any means without taking up valuable card advantage, and those that do are mostly Inzektor stuff. Shoving this into Inzektors isn't realistic at all.

I don't get why you're calling it a "hate card." Can't you realize you're being extremely abrasive? I'll go into this in detail more below. For the time being, I will ask - why is it not realistic to use this in Inzektors, maybe running it at 1 or 2? With Doom Dozer, you could get some fuel for a partial draw engine with Trade-In.. And even in the worse case scenario, you could use this card with Multiplication of Ants...?

See, that's where you're wrong. The point of realistic cards is to make well designed, realistic cards. Not to say "lol konmai did eet now ah can 2". To even argue "they exist, you lose" shows that you have no real idea of how the section is meant to work.

 

This is where your abrasiveness just becomes too much to handle. For starters, if you have been in a RP of mine (like you say below, although I don't remember you) then you're probably aware that my vocabulary and writing are pretty damn good. There's no need to associate me with stupid, misspelled, and flawed ideas (especially when that is not what I said at all). The fact that you're so comfortable putting words in other's mouths shows that you have no idea how to argue your point without being rude.

Konami releasing cards like Dragon Rulers, or, hell, even Inzektors does not make those cards realistic or well designed, at least for the intent of this subforum.

 

I disagree with you on this. Sad as it may be, the current Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG is extremely unbalanced and will most likely stay that way for some time. You may argue that this card is broken; I'm merely arguing that the entire game is broken in the same sense (which is funny, because the way I would play this is not broken at all). In order for this card to be of any use, it's got to be powerful. There's no point in creating underpowered and useless cards (we already have plenty of useless archetypes).

You can make powerful cards, sure, but make them well designed. Like, say... Number 101: Silent Honors Ark Knight, Starliege Paladynamo, Stardust Spark Dragon, Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo. None of these are problem cards, but they all have a powerful niche.

A card that says "you run insects so fuck you" is not a fair or well designed card.

 

Again, you put more words in my mouth.. Just save us both the trouble and drop it, really. I understood your critique, I appreciate your time, but I respectfully disagree. Done.

[Toffee.]

TC, I think the main issue your having with this card is that your trying to make it live off the same persona as Vaskii, as you already mentioned.
But here's the thing- Vaskii lets you Tribute your Opponent's monsters, yes, but at the same time requires you to jump through hoops in order to do so(The Archetype has gimmicks that put the Opponent's monsters at 0 ATK, Vaskii rewards you for doing it), so it's not a truly broken concept. Your goes about this the wrong way, in the sense that because the Opponent plays [Deck X], then they auto-loose to something that hates on them for no real effort at all. Chimeratech Fortress Dragon + Cyber Dragon does this as well, and it's pretty absurd to have other cards like it. DNA Surgery is irrlevant here, so don't bring that up.

tl;dr You should have attached some strings to your card so it's not so much of a 1-sided thing. Or at lest given it an effect that doesn't work off the same grounds as it's Summoning condition. No offense, of course.

[Saiba Aisu]

Fine, fine. I can understand that explanation at least. Maybe if I just switched the first effect so you need to tribute your own monsters, and keep the last effect how it is?

 

Honestly, I should have just posted Immortal Firefly, one of the major support cards for this archetype, on this same page. Then you would have had an idea of what I was planning...

 

/EDIT: There, I changed it.

[Blake]

I thought you just said that the only time this would ever be used was in the Side Deck for a specific Type match up?? How do you call that a "huge niche?" It's the same as Shadow- and Light-Imprisoning Mirror, but you don't see them banned.. And I agree with you about the slippery slope, to a certain degree. It seems like for some time now, Konami has been releasing stronger and stronger cards with every new booster pack. It makes previous cards obselete, in a certain sense.

Countering a whole type is a pretty big niche. And being badly designed does not mean being banned.

I don't get why you're calling it a "hate card." Can't you realize you're being extremely abrasive? I'll go into this in detail more below. For the time being, I will ask - why is it not realistic to use this in Inzektors, maybe running it at 1 or 2? With Doom Dozer, you could get some fuel for a partial draw engine with Trade-In.. And even in the worse case scenario, you could use this card with Multiplication of Ants...?

Are you kidding me?

"Hate Card" is a terminology used for anything you use to counter another deck. It's not insulting the card, it's saying it would be sided as Insect Hate. If that's abrasive, you need to learn what the word means.

Inzektors have better things to do than use this. By far. You're blowing advantage you should be preserving for a subpar boss monster.

Multiplication of Ants doesn't help you maintain advantage. You pay 2 and get 2 Tokens. Whoodpedo, you +0'd then negged yourself to play this.

This is where your abrasiveness just becomes too much to handle. For starters, if you have been in a RP of mine (like you say below, although I don't remember you) then you're probably aware that my vocabulary and writing are pretty damn good. There's no need to associate me with stupid, misspelled, and flawed ideas (especially when that is not what I said at all). The fact that you're so comfortable putting words in other's mouths shows that you have no idea how to argue your point without being rude.

I'm aware you overrate your abilities, and always did, but that's about it. But this isn't about writing skills, so don't drag them in here, hm?

And please don't argue semantics, considering it was quite clearly hyperbole.

At least, that's how you were in the past.

I've put no words in your mouth, I've merely interpreted what you said. You used Konami to defend bad design. I didn't make you do that, you chose it. I may have phrased it differently to make a point, but you are, most certainly, the one who said that.

I disagree with you on this. Sad as it may be, the current Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG is extremely unbalanced and will most likely stay that way for some time. You may argue that this card is broken; I'm merely arguing that the entire game is broken in the same sense (which is funny, because the way I would play this is not broken at all). In order for this card to be of any use, it's got to be powerful. There's no point in creating underpowered and useless cards (we already have plenty of useless archetypes).

It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, because that doesn't change the secton's intent.

I never said this was broken. I even established it's not at all. What was that about putting words in others' mouths?

Arguing that the game is broken is arguing that Konami does it so I can too. Which is exactly what you claimed you didn't say.

I covered how powerful =/= Badly Designed, so not sure what you're trying to argue here.

Again, you put more words in my mouth.. Just save us both the trouble and drop it, really. I understood your critique, I appreciate your time, but I respectfully disagree. Done.

I put no words in your mouth. I'm not even talking about your mouth. I'm talking about the card's design. A card's design can have a voice it's creator did not intend it to have. I'm not going to pretend a card is alive or something like that, but it does evolve and have uses separate of the design. Any card can and will do that.

If you're going to argue words in your mouth, and try to argue in a way to degrade the credibility of the person you're arguing with, at least do it competently.

Posting another card with this card wouldn't have changed this card's initial bad design, because, and I'm going to say this loud and clear, intent doesn't mean jack shit when other implications exist. It's fine if you're going to use it in a story, for sure, but it's not fine for realistic cards, where good card design, not like Konami's been doing, are a must.

[Saiba Aisu]

Countering a whole type is a pretty big niche. And being badly designed does not mean being banned.

Are you kidding me?

"Hate Card" is a terminology used for anything you use to counter another deck. It's not insulting the card, it's saying it would be sided as Insect Hate. If that's abrasive, you need to learn what the word means.

Inzektors have better things to do than use this. By far. You're blowing advantage you should be preserving for a subpar boss monster.

Multiplication of Ants doesn't help you maintain advantage. You pay 2 and get 2 Tokens. Whoodpedo, you +0'd then negged yourself to play this.

And please don't argue semantics, considering it was quite clearly hyperbole.

At least, that's how you were in the past.

I've put no words in your mouth, I've merely interpreted what you said. You used Konami to defend bad design. I didn't make you do that, you chose it. I may have phrased it differently to make a point, but you are, most certainly, the one who said that.

It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, because that doesn't change the secton's intent.

I never said this was broken. I even established it's not at all. What was that about putting words in others' mouths?

Arguing that the game is broken is arguing that Konami does it so I can too. Which is exactly what you claimed you didn't say.

I covered how powerful =/= Badly Designed, so not sure what you're trying to argue here.

I put no words in your mouth. I'm not even talking about your mouth. I'm talking about the card's design. A card's design can have a voice it's creator did not intend it to have. I'm not going to pretend a card is alive or something like that, but it does evolve and have uses separate of the design. Any card can and will do that.

If you're going to argue words in your mouth, and try to argue in a way to degrade the credibility of the person you're arguing with, at least do it competently.

Posting another card with this card wouldn't have changed this card's initial bad design, because, and I'm going to say this loud and clear, intent doesn't mean jack shit when other implications exist. It's fine if you're going to use it in a story, for sure, but it's not fine for realistic cards, where good card design, not like Konami's been doing, are a must.

 

I really want to say TL;DR, but I'm ashamed to say that I did, I read your post. How embarrassing, what a colossal waste of time. I edited the card, so hopefully you will:

1. Not have a huge problem with it anymore.

2. Stop being rude.

3. In fact, stop posting on this thread. I'm tired of typing up replies for the sake of appearances/politeness when I could really care less what you think.

 

I'm aware you overrate your abilities, and always did, but that's about it. But this isn't about writing skills, so don't drag them in here, hm?

 

You can sling mud at my card making as much as you want (God knows, I'm certainly rusty and the game has changed a lot). But my writing skills, really...? Yeah. Yeah. I definitely don't remember you from any of my RPs, I must have been blind to let someone so rude participate.

[Blake]

I really want to say TL;DR, but I'm ashamed to say that I did, I read your post. How embarrassing, what a colossal waste of time. I edited the card, so hopefully you will:
1. Not have a huge problem with it anymore.
2. Stop being rude.
3. In fact, stop posting on this thread. I'm tired of typing up replies for the sake of appearances/politeness when I could really care less what you think.

1. Now it's plain bad. At least it's not a stupid design, though.
2. Care to point out where I was rude without you coming at me first?
3. You... don't really have the authority to say that. Threads are public domain, unless they're something akin to a Roleplay or a Club. You can't very well kick me out. I'm not gonna stick around just to raise trouble, but I will resolve this argument.

You can sling mud at my card making as much as you want (God knows, I'm certainly rusty and the game has changed a lot). But my writing skills, really...? Yeah. Yeah. I definitely don't remember you from any of my RPs, I must have been blind to let someone so rude participate.

You're the one that stroked your ego, not I. So why don't you calm down? According to anyone who knows you from the past, you're good at writing details but terrible at making characters of any note. That's not just my opinion, that's collective.

[The Hounds Of Anubis]

Needs more Call of the Haunted.

[Saiba Aisu]

Saiba Aisu: 0

Trolls: 1

 

Alright, you've won this battle. But not the war.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Saiba Aisu: 0
Trolls: 1
 
Alright, you've won this battle. But not the war.

Are we even on track anymore?
Also, Cyber Commander, I await your response on the Custom Wikia.

[Saiba Aisu]

Nope, I've completely given up. I think it's time to take a break from Yu-Gi-Oh. inb4 "ragequit," I think Guild Wars 2 is much more entertaining, maybe I can use that for an RP...

 

I posted my reply on the Custom Wikia.

[Saiba Aisu]

Okay, a day of Japanese language classes was actually really refreshing.

 

BUMP! Can I get more comments on the edited version?

[Saiba Aisu]

Bump! Anything?