heraldry_lord Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Rank-Up-Magic Astral Force Normal Spell Card Target 1 face-up Xyz Monster you control with the highest Rank; Special Summon 1 Xyz Monster from your Extra Deck whose Attribute and Type are the same as the selected monster’s, but 2 Ranks higher by using that targeted monster as the Xyz Material. (This counts as an Xyz Summon, and all Xyz Materials attached to that monster also becomes Xyz Material for the new monster.) If this card is in your Graveyard, during your Draw Phase: You can add this card from your Graveyard to your hand instead of conducting your Normal Draw for the turn. During the turn you activated this effect, you cannot Special Summon monsters, except by using “Rank-Up Magic Astral Force” It's in Legacy of the Valiant. This hasn't been nerfed nearly as hard as I expected, but it's still quite a nerf. POSSIBLE COMBOS (By Rank) Rank 1: Number 63: Shamoji Soldier --> Mechquipped Angineer Number 54: Lion Heart ---> Invoker Ghostrick Dullahan ---> C65/C96 Rank 2: Herald of Pure Light ---> Number 102/Vylon Disigma/Princess Cologne/Fairy Cheer Girl/Number 16 (nope) Gachi Gachi --> Gem-Knight Pearl/Number 106 Number 65/Number 96 ---> Roach/Number 85/Maestroke/Evilswarm Thanatos/Evilswarm Nightmare Number 64 ---> Diamond Dire Wolf Rank 3: Grenosaurus --> Volcasaurus Number 48/Ghostrick Alucard ---> Bram Chronomaly Crystal Chrononaut ---> C69 Invoker ---> Number 12/CXyz CH Legend Arthur Lavalval Ignis/Cheat Commissioner ---> C105 Mechquipped Angineer --> Tiras Soul of Silvermountain/Giant Soldier of Steel ---> Number C106 C65/C96 ---> Adreus/Number 53 Rank 4: Utopia/Utopia Ray/Papilloperative/HC - Excalibur/Number 10/Paladynamo/One-Eyed Skill Gainer/Photon Alexandra Queen ---> Photon Strike Bounzer Evolzar Laggia/Dolkka --> Evolzar Solda Number 57 ---> Evolzar Solda Gagaga Cowboy/CH King Arthur/Shadow of the Six Sams - Shien/Zubaba General/HC - Gandiva/HC - Kusanagi ---> Gauntlet Launcher/Sword Breaker Number 104 ---> Norito Fairy King Albverdich ---> Fairy Knight Ingunar Infernal Flame Vixen ---> Basiltrice Number 91 ---> Atum Downerd Magician/Alchemic Magician ---> Magi Magi Constellar Praesepe ---> Number 6/Number 25/Constellar M7 Rank 5: Zenmaioh ---> Dracossack/Number 42 Tiras ---> Number 7 Number C104 ---> Hierophant of Prophecy/Number 11 Number C101 ---> Abyssgaios Empress of Prophecy ---> CXyz Simon Rank 6: Photon Strike Bounzer ---> Felgrand Atum ---> Heliopolis/Thunder End Dragon/Number 46/Number 107/Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon Rank 8: Googly-Eyes Drum Dragon ---> Gustav Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Quick! Find a way to abuse this card! Is there any common attribute/type combination that's eligible for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 I got really scared for a moment. Then I read the text again. Interesting. So you have to use the monster of the highest Rank, and it has to be EXACTLY two Ranks higher, plus the same Type and Attribute. Hmm...plus you can't SS the turn you use its Draw Phase effect, other than by Astral Force. I'm a bit stumped, actually. What is this good for? I mean REALLY good for? Because right now, I'm still leaning towards using regular Rank-Up Magics, even though they're restricted to Number Cs/CXyz, and this isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopy Star - Eon Sphere Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 So does this mean that the New Order monsters will all be the same type, or just that they won't be released at all? Because I want them to be released. Also, if they wee, this card couldn't summon Etheric Amen. OT: There must be a way to abuse this card, there's just gotta be. You can go Utopia--->Strike Bounzer--->Felgrand, which is pretty cool, but you'd need to dedicate extra deck space to it. The recursion effect is sweet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 So does this mean that the New Order monsters will all be the same type, or just that they won't be released at all? I'd place my bet on not being released at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoricuaBeast Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 It's in Legacy of the Valiant. This hasn't been nerfed nearly as hard as I expected, but it's still quite a nerf. Rank 2: Herald of Pure Light ---> Number 102/Vylon Disigma/Fairy Cheer Girl/Number 16 (nope) Gachi Gachi --> Gem-Knight Pearl/Number 106 Number 65/Number 96 ---> Roach/Number 85/Maestroke Rank 3 and 4: Grenosaurus --> Volcasaurus Utopia/Papilloperative/Excalibur/Number 10/Paladynamo ---> Photon Strike Bounzer Evolzar Laggia/Dolkka --> Evolzar Solda Number 57 ---> Evolzar Solda Gagaga Cowboy ---> Gauntlet Launcher Number 48/Ghostrick Alucard ---> Bram Mechquipped Angineer --> Tiras Chronomaly Crystal Chrononaut ---> C69 Number 104 ---> Norito Invoker ---> Number 12 Lavalval Ignis/Cheat Commissioner ---> C105 Rank 5 and 6: Photon Strike Bounzer ---> Felgrand Atum ---> Heliopolis/Thunder End Dragon/Number 46/Number 107/Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon Zenmaioh ---> Dracossack/Number 42 Tiras ---> Number 7 You forgot a couple others. Googly-eyes Drum Dragon ---> Gustav Max Number C104 ---> Number 11 Yeah... Not nerfed enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Perfectly understandable nerf, but it's just not good enough to run outside of something specific, which is again confounded by the lack of a searcher for RUM. It's not as bad as they could've nerfed it, but it still doesn't seem that good. The biggest thing that did it in was specifically two ranks. If it were1-2 the card would've been really decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastar Rainford Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Send to grave with laval chain is the easiest to do if you don't draw into it in a few turns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Who was it who called type and attribute match requirement? They nailed it. I'm surprised it went to exactly two, but oh well, a lot of Tour Guide shenanigans remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Tour Guide into Tiras. I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Rank 3s seem like they get the most millage out of this, TBH.Because, as usual, Tour Guide is a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Oh God... Use "Chronomaly Crystal Chrononaut" to Summon "Number C69: Heraldry Chaos Crest". Even if it doesn't get all its effects, it stil is a 4000 ATK monster with a costless trigger effect that combines "Mirror Force", "Dark Mirror Force" and "Malevolent Catastrophe". ...I think I just came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Who was it who called type and attribute match requirement? They nailed it. I'm surprised it went to exactly two, but oh well, a lot of Tour Guide shenanigans remain. It was probably me. EDIT: It was kingdom neos who said it first. Card has a bunch of combos, then. But it requires dedication, which is good. Otherwise, this would be way too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 While Rank 3s appear to benefit from this card the most, I think instantly pulling out a Bounzer has merit too. And you can then rank it up into the other guy next turn. A spiral of Rank Ups...but weaker compared to the anime. Number 63: Shamoji Soldier --> Mechquipped Angineer --> Tiras---> Number 7 Before your opponent realizes it, you have a Big Eye in a non-Rank 7 deck. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopy Star - Eon Sphere Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Now they need to print a Rank 7 DARK Dragon. Make its effect terrible (Or Red-Eyes support or something) so that I can justify the Rank-Up into Heart-eartH Dragon. On second thought, don't print a Rank 7 Dragon. That just screams to be abused. Oh well, Utopia into Strike or Cowboy into Gauntlet is nice enough for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 On second thought, don't print a Rank 7 Dragon. That just screams to be abused. You mean, don't print another Rank 7 Dragon, as Gaia Dragon exists, but is WIND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More than 3 characters Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Oh God... ...I think I just came.Don't see how this is better than Limited Force for C69 since Limited can make C69 out of any Rank 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Don't see how this is better than Limited Force for C69 since Limited can make C69 out of any Rank 4. Chrononaut is a Rank 3, so Rank 3 decks have access to C69 now. This isn't better or worse than Limited Force in Rank 4 decks; it's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Don't see how this is better than Limited Force for C69 since Limited can make C69 out of any Rank 4. Because between this and Tour Guide, Rank 3 is now a toolbox deck of insane proportions, and C69 is among the most insane of them all. I never said it was BETTER, but that application alone sells me on Astral Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Because between this and Tour Guide, Rank 3 is now a toolbox deck of insane proportions, and C69 is among the most insane of them all. I never said it was BETTER, but that application alone sells me on Astral Force. There's also the fact that Angineer can maybe survive long enough to be Ranked Up to Tiras, as well Grenosaurus into Volcasaurus. Rank 3 is really the best Rank for this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 There's also the fact that Angineer can maybe survive long enough to be Ranked Up to Tiras, as well Grenosaurus into Volcasaurus. Rank 3 is really the best Rank for this card. Or that Invoker can instantly become Number 12 and protect you up to 3 turns. And while Rank 3 is the best, Rank 4 isn't far behind, given the number of ways to make Bounzer and Launcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Oh God... Chronomaly Chorononaut -> C69 ...I think I just came. I, on the other hand, choked on my breakfast for a bit. This is going to be another of those situations where cards from distant sets have unintended, gamebreaking interactions, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Gadjiltron, you have a monster form. Congratulations? And yes, yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I, on the other hand, choked on my breakfast for a bit. This is going to be another of those situations where cards from distant sets have unintended, gamebreaking interactions, isn't it? Considering C69 and this are in the same set, and Tour Guide is STILL at 2, I'm gonna say it's decidedly NOT unintentional. Konami is trying to kill us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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