Masaaki71484 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 How good is this? **Sorry about the title** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Let's get the trivial things aside first: thread name and card name are not the same. Anyways, what makes you think that letting any player turn a Rank 4 LIGHT into a 2700 beater that makes itself and other LIGHTs immune to card effects is a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaaki71484 Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I mean most Rank 4's range from 2000-2600 generally so in most cases I you could obviously go Slacker get it chained then go to Downerd then go into this but Downerd and this start off with the same attack plus that is a big waste of resources but I do see your point but as it stands now it just stop Monster Reactive Traps and effects in the Meta which I might add are either Overpowered to fuck or limited. So taking away those cards for 2-3 turns I think is OK powerful but not insane and sorry lol I mixed the numbers up lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I mean most Rank 4's range from 2000-2600 generally so in most cases I you could obviously go Slacker get it chained then go to Downerd then go into this but Downerd and this start off with the same attack plus that is a big waste of resources It is a big waste of resources if you use up so many materials to bring this out when using a single Rank 4 LIGHT Xyz is much more easier, especially when cards like Constellar Omega / Evilswarm Exciton Knight / all of Utopias R4 forms / Starliege Paladynamo etc. exist as opinions. as it stands now it just stop Monster Reactive Traps and effects in the Meta which I might add are either Overpowered to f*** or limited. So taking away those cards for 2-3 turns I think is OK powerful but not insane and sorry lol I mixed the numbers up lol. Getting a 2700 beater with a protection effect that doesn't even state when it ends (aka it's permanent) and provides protection to any monster, even the ones that are Summoned after this card (look at Constellar Omega if you do not understand what I'm talking about), is broken, and if you cannot see why, then you are really bad at card design. Also, what's the point of the End Phase detach if this card doesn't even have any effects regarding Xyz Material in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MujinTengu Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 What is the point behind making it an xyz monster? Detach for...what effect exactly? 2700 ATK with a permanent Strong effect, and a laughable summoning conditions. Did I mentioned that it is an xyz monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 What is the point behind making it an xyz monster? Detach for...what effect exactly? 2700 ATK with a permanent Strong effect, and a laughable summoning conditions. Did I mentioned that it is an xyz monster? It's good to repeat things, I suppose, and not add anything else to what has been already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaaki71484 Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I forgot to add that SKy Composer's effect only works when it has Xyz Materials like Tiras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I forgot to add that SKy Composer's effect only works when it has Xyz Materials like Tiras Then you need to edit the effect into this: "You can also Xyz Summon this card by using a Rank 4 LIGHT or Fairy-Type monster you control as the Xyz Material. As long as this card has Xyz Material(s), all face-up LIGHT and Fairy-Type monsters are unaffected by other card effects. During each of your End Phases: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card." Now, we need to address a different problem with this Summoning condition: You can also Xyz Summon this card by using a Rank 4 LIGHT or Fairy-Type Does that mean that you can just as well use any non-Xyz Fairy-Type monster for its material? By that wording, what's there to stop me from Summoning "The Agent of Creation - Venus", using its effect 3 times to get 3 "Mystical Shine Balls" onto the field, Xyz'ing into any Rank 2 that requires 2 Materials, and then Xyz'ing into this with the last "Mystical Shine Ball"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MujinTengu Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's good to repeat things, I suppose, and not add anything else to what has been already said. Sorry 'bout it...wasn't really reading any of your comments before placing mine. Well...I guess i went a little bored and wanted to post a comment about something of interest to me, ignoring all other thing. again, sorry fo'that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaaki71484 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Then you need to edit the effect into this: "You can also Xyz Summon this card by using a Rank 4 LIGHT or Fairy-Type monster you control as the Xyz Material. As long as this card has Xyz Material(s), all face-up LIGHT and Fairy-Type monsters are unaffected by other card effects. During each of your End Phases: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card." Now, we need to address a different problem with this Summoning condition: You can also Xyz Summon this card by using a Rank 4 LIGHT or Fairy-Type Does that mean that you can just as well use any non-Xyz Fairy-Type monster for its material? By that wording, what's there to stop me from Summoning "The Agent of Creation - Venus", using its effect 3 times to get 3 "Mystical Shine Balls" onto the field, Xyz'ing into any Rank 2 that requires 2 Materials, and then Xyz'ing into this with the last "Mystical Shine Ball"? It must be a Rank 4 Fairy Type Monster to stop Agents from having an shooting a load when they see this and I see your point with that so would it be this? If so this is how I wanted the card to be because of monster removal in this format and the next one I feel like this would be a great card to stop removal heavy decks while with 2700 base stats it can survive all Rank 4 attacks and can be a decent beatstick while it has no Xyz Materials. "You can also Xyz Summon this card by using a Rank 4 LIGHT or Rank 4 Fairy-Type monster you control as the Xyz Material. As long as this card has Xyz Material(s), all face-up LIGHT and Fairy-Type monsters are unaffected by other card effects. During each of your End Phases: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 You can also Xyz Summon this card by using 1 Rank 4 LIGHT or Rank 4 Fairy-Type Xyz Monster you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to that monster also become Xyz Materials on this card.) As long as this card has Xyz Material(s), all face-up LIGHT and Fairy-Type monsters are unaffected by other card effects. During each of your End Phases: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card. Don't forget the reminder text. While it seems trivial, remember that if an Xyz Monster turns into an Xyz Material, it'd normally lose all its original Material. Refer to any instance where an Xyz Monster is absorbed by SH-ARK. Meanwhile, I'm comparing this with Tiras and it's essentially a vastly superior Tiras, ignoring his ability to blow things up after he attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaaki71484 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Well this is totally different from Tiras beside the type of Xyz effect it is Tiras is Tiras and is still powerful when used correctly this makes LIGHT and Fairy-Type Monsters immune to each other and everything else which can stop All of future plays if you run this in Agents or an Xyz Deck since Light is the commonly used attribute I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Well this is totally different from Tiras beside the type of Xyz effect it is Tiras is Tiras and is still powerful when used correctly this makes LIGHT and Fairy-Type Monsters immune to each other and everything else which can stop All of future plays if you run this in Agents or an Xyz Deck since Light is the commonly used attribute I believe. Owo, it could hinder my plays, so it must be balanced! Yeah, no, it actually won't hinder your plays, at all. Now that you clarified that the other monster must also be a Xyz Monster, Agents will not run this (well, good Agents, anyways), but that still doesn't change the fact that you'll get a solid 6-8 turns of effect protection from this card just for Summoning it with a Rank 4 LIGHT with all of its Materials intact, allowing you to push and push without any chance of a response from your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaaki71484 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 True but compared to other Rank 5 Monster and especially Rank 4 Monster I still feel It is strong yes do not get me wrong I agree with that but OP though idk this is just a Removal Punisher really and a good beat stick giving you time to make plays. Agents would not run this but I am sure an Xyz deck would without a question especially with Utopia being LIGHT and many good Rank 4's are light as well allows you to summon your monster free from worrying out Chains, Hole and friends. So yes it is powerful but how you nerf this (if you could) and still retain it's level of playablity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Look at Constellar Omega. That's protection done correctly. Do something in the lines of that and reduce the ATK of this card to somewhere in the lines of 2000-2400. Amd make it that your opponent doesn't take battle damage or they take half the battle damage the turn its Summoned because the Starliege Paladynamo + this combo still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoaringSilence0 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Make it so that when there is no more XYZ material to detach it's destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaaki71484 Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Look at Constellar Omega. That's protection done correctly. Do something in the lines of that and reduce the ATK of this card to somewhere in the lines of 2000-2400. Amd make it that your opponent doesn't take battle damage or they take half the battle damage the turn its Summoned because the Starliege Paladynamo + this combo still exists. Okay I'll trade your opponent does not take any further damage this turn when you summon it and reduce it atk to like 25-2600. Do you think where it stands now that it is powerful enough to break into an Xyz Deck and there Extra is JAMMED Pack and would you run this? Make it so that when there is no more XYZ material to detach it's destroyed No then it would be unplayable it's effect is strong but it is not THAT dayum strong jeez it's not LAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 No then it would be unplayable it's effect is strong but it is not THAT dayum strong jeez it's not LAD. Even with the edited effects, the card is still a waslking Forbidden Lance on steroids with a 2500-2600 body that'll survive way past your opponents turn and then its easy to just start pushing. Also, don't compare this with Light and Darkness Dragon. The latter is balanced, this is still not balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 What happens if this required 3 LV5 monsters as Material? Would it affect how viable it becomes, or is it redundant because every player would simply use the alternative Xyz requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaaki71484 Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 I suppose LAD is balanced because it is hard as hell to play outside of Frognarchs so maybe I make it to where you can't special summon monsters the turn you summon this if you use the Rank 4 summon way so it would remove a lot of it's abusability. What do you to think about that? With this effect it is a challenge to balance it while making it playable. What happens if this required 3 LV5 monsters as Material? Would it affect how viable it becomes, or is it redundant because every player would simply use the alternative Xyz requirement? It would be redundant because nobody would play it that way BUT what if the Rank 4 must have 2 or more Xyz Material YES THAT WOULD MAKE IT MUCH MORE BALANCED :) plus the no special summon if you use the Rank 4 Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 What happens if this required 3 LV5 monsters as Material? Would it affect how viable it becomes, or is it redundant because every player would simply use the alternative Xyz requirement? Depends on the Deck. If you're running a Rank 5 Xyz deck with a Level 5 engine (Moralltech + Theosophy of the Artifacts) and other Level 5s monsters, you could technically Summon it with 2 materials, but the deck has other options to Summon before thinking about going into this, aka 61, Pleiades, Tiras etc. In standard decks that can make Rank 4 LIGHT monsters, yes, it would be redundant, as people would only Summon it via the alternative way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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