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Card Contests Judge Exam (UPDATED 2/09/14)


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Aix will edit this when he gets time.

I should ask him if he can update it on a weekly basis or something [or since Striker, myself and Saber mod this section; we can administer this test ourselves].

So Aix isn't the sole judge?

 

Oh well. I PM'd a review in hope of being allowed to make contests as a judge... 8 days ago...



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At the moment, Aix is the one you should be sending your stuff to.

 

Like I mentioned, I should ask if he can update this periodically or just have Saber/Striker/myself help in the judging; since we are in charge of this section effective 7/12/2014 (or 7/16/2014 for Striker). Or just send us a list of people who passed and we'll do it.


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So Aix isn't the sole judge?

 

Oh well. I PM'd a review in hope of being allowed to make contests as a judge... 8 days ago...

And I added you to the list... almost 8 days ago...

 

Currently in the process of making new cards for this. Will purposefully make badly designed cards this time. If anyone has ideas, PM me.

 

Should we refresh the list each time the test is remade?


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Not really, though we should encourage those who passed the previous test to take the new one. Just don't want to have them renew it every month.

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Just refresh the list every 1 year or so so not too much hassle

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Just refresh the list every 1 year or so so not too much hassle


I say more like every TCG format seems better.

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How about the test keeps you could for 6 weeks or something? Then I'll start recording the date each person passed and how many tests done. Doing a test adds another 6 weeks to your thing.

I got the cards for the new test thought out. Will post them when I get home in the afternoon.

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This is interesting, but it doesn't feel right.

I mean, Koko or I need certification to judge a contest before we do, if we felt the need to do so. On the other hand, I don't feel Striker should be judging contests at all given his design track record.

 

For those who know what they're doing, the test, as-is, is pure tedium. And those who don't know can still get past it. It's really hard to keep those that don't know out, even like this, especially with the current cards.

The current cards, at the very least, are really, really simple. Not going to say why, but I see basically every problem with them without even trying. They don't really seem like adequate measures to judge by, though the first one is at least better to do so with. The latter is just f***ing blatant.

 

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Both of these are contest cards. One of them won, the other lost because I stepped in and spelled out how it was a terrible choice to win and then people realized. Neither deserved a win in either of their contests.

 

If anything, I'd use old 1 v 1 cards as a comparison for this. Have the test be which deserves to come out on top of the other, then have them go on about what the design of the cards entails and why they should be the winner. Even if they say neither should win, in all honesty, that would just show that they know what they're talking about if they explain why neither should win.

 

Either do it 100% or not at all, I say.


 

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This is interesting, but it doesn't feel right.

I mean, Koko or I need certification to judge a contest before we do, if we felt the need to do so. On the other hand, I don't feel Striker should be judging contests at all given his design track record.

 

For those who know what they're doing, the test, as-is, is pure tedium. And those who don't know can still get past it. It's really hard to keep those that don't know out, even like this, especially with the current cards.

The current cards, at the very least, are really, really simple. Not going to say why, but I see basically every problem with them without even trying. They don't really seem like adequate measures to judge by, though the first one is at least better to do so with. The latter is just f***ing blatant.

 

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Both of these are contest cards. One of them won, the other lost because I stepped in and spelled out how it was a terrible choice to win and then people realized. Neither deserved a win in either of their contests.

 

If anything, I'd use old 1 v 1 cards as a comparison for this. Have the test be which deserves to come out on top of the other, then have them go on about what the design of the cards entails and why they should be the winner. Even if they say neither should win, in all honesty, that would just show that they know what they're talking about if they explain why neither should win.

 

Either do it 100% or not at all, I say.

I like the using old 1 v 1 cards plan, personally. Gives the testers a better taste of the kind of the actual sorts of cards they'll be judging, as opposed to over-dramatic representations developed by one who is in truth a good card designer.



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I am against using existing cards to be honest. What is stopping someone from looking up the Topic that said card was in and making their own version of the Votes that was cast for it. Would encourage cheating. No, fresh is where its at. Equal ground for everyone.


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I am against using existing cards to be honest. What is stopping someone from looking up the Topic that said card was in and making their own version of the Votes that was cast for it. Would encourage cheating. No, fresh is where its at. Equal ground for everyone.

If they cheat, that's on them. They get punished for it.

 

The cards in the OP are terrible tests, and can't be worse than old contests. And you do know mods have the ability to hide threads, so they can then just hide that finished thread until the test is over, right?


 

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I never knew that.... I never had the ability to hide a Thread during my time so now I know. Fair enough, I retract my previous statement.


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Yeah, I hid the Sunshine Sorceress one since it had legit reviews on it. The other... lol.


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I already dealt with the Shaddoll Wolf one (hid it so no one finds it for reference)

 

Guess I better go send in my review for this test now. (BTW Aix, I fixed the dates on it; we're in July now, you had them set in June)


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I don't get what is going on!! Can someone please explain to me :(.......


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I don't get what is going on!! Can someone please explain to me :(.......

The Judge Exam is designed so that we have contest hosts and judges who know what they're doing and can give fair verdicts.

 

All you need to do is send a PM Aix detailing which of the two cards (displayed in the first post of this topic) is better-designed, and why. If you've done well, your name is added to the list of approved judges and you can host and judge in contests afterwards.

 

Every 6 weeks, to keep you sharp, new cards to judge are posted and you have to do it again to keep your cred.


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Oh so that's why there are crazy things there like 6 week rule starts here. NIK, thank you Gadj, appreciated your instructions :D.


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Troublesome cuz no one is passing, and I expect very few to pass.

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And so the main issue with RC comes to light.

 

I've addressed both of these cards individually before, and I've discussed at least one of them with others, but the issue is that YCM as a whole doesn't understand design.

 

I'm not saying shut contests down, but I think a tutorial is needed above all; A current one. Hopefully an interactive one made by the current mods and open to discussion. Consulting other members isn't a problem, and design does have a number of grey areas, so.


 

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Troublesome cuz no one is passing, and I expect very few to pass.

Wait, people aren't passing right now?

 

With the two cards that are there? Right now?

 

Sunshine Sorceress and Shaddoll Wolf?

 

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