Alice Moonflowyr Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I didn't say Render Silent was strictly better than Mindbreak in all situations, just against MW. And it kinda depends on what the Cascades are TBH. But yeah, it does pretty much the same job, Render Silent just does it a little bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I know, but there is still just no reason to run the card against a specific deck unless their is more than just one Maelstrom player in your play group. I would never dedicate a spot to it in my 99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Yeah. Sadly I encounter it a lot because people started having irrational hate towards my deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 My turn to weigh in on counterspells.Of those mentioned, Remand, Grip of Amnesia, and Flusterstorm are terrible in EDH: delaying spells for the former isn't generally worth it unless you can kill that player before their next turn rolls around; giving your opponent a choice as to whether their spell should be countered or not is a terrible plan; and Flusterstorm's only really that good imho to stop opponents from storming off (hence the name).The ten best counterspells in the format in my opinion (regardless of price) are Force of Will, Foil, Pact of Negation, Mana Drain, Hinder, Spell Crumple, Voidslime, Time Stop, Render Silent and Counterflux. These cards are all either a. cheap to cast, b. break the back of whomever they hit by denying resources, or c. say "no" so very effectively (aka: "Time Stop-Your-Turn").I'm surprised that Swan Song wasn't mentioned, though. A 1-mana hard counter is always worth playing, especially because the token is pretty middling in a battlecruiser format like EDH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The thing that holds Swan Song back is what it can and can't hit. A number of threats in EDH come from permanents and their abilities - being unable to hit 3 types of permanent (artifact, creature, walker) makes Swan Song a bit more situational than, say, Negate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The thing that holds Swan Song back is what it can and can't hit. A number of threats in EDH come from permanents and their abilities - being unable to hit 3 types of permanent (artifact, creature, walker) makes Swan Song a bit more situational than, say, Negate. *looks at local metagame* Control Control control melek combo control Karametra guys reanimator control Swan song very well may be the strongest card in my meta... also holy shit we got a lot of control up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 My playgroup sees: Wrexial Mill / Melek Combo / Marath / Karador Reanimators / Grimgrin Zombie Tribal Roon Flicker Jarad Dredge Derevi Bird Tribal / Glissa Control / Brago Flicker / Zirilan Box-o-Dragons Marchesa buffs / Uril Tron Kemba Tron / Slivers Sharuum ft. Time Sieve / Xenagos Aggro / Karametra Landfalls Niv-Mizzet Combo Control / Talrand Control / Roon Flicker / Vorel Super-proliferate / Phage Animar sillyramp / Phelddagrif Scion Box-o-Dragons / Hidetsugu Seppuku / Uril Tron Each bullet point is assigned to a particular player. They'll rotate between what they have. The number of counterspells flying around is relatively low, a majority of the threats there are permanents, and there's an uncanny amount of grave reliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I don't have a playgroup that plays EDH. .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 My playgroup sees: stuff i don't care about Niv-Mizzet Combo Control / Talrand Control / Roon Flicker / Vorel Super-proliferate / Phage Who is this guy and why is he me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 My EDH playgroup has been inactive lately... :c We should create our own playgroup here :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 My EDH playgroup has been inactive lately... :c We should create our own playgroup here :3 The issue is that our levels of competitiveness vary greatly. Like, my deck is competitive-level strength, and so are all of your and Ashley's, but the people who are newer to the format would just get roflstomped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 We could just use weaker decks at first. Heck, I'd love to try out a silly tribal deck like Lovisa Coldeyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Who is this guy and why is he me? Sheer coincidence, unless you also bring out a different deck on a different weekday. Mizzet Mondays, Talrand Tuesdays, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Our Playgroup is comprissed of 4 people occasionally 5 We have these, decks per player Karador/Intet Sharuum/Prossh Aurelia/Ghave Uril/Lazav Hanna/New Obzedat Only the Sharuum/Prosh Guy play with competitive cards, and Infinite Combos...(Guess who ends up being the target most of the time, wink wink) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The same guy has Sharuum and Prossh? He really doesn't like his opponents to have fun then xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 To be quite honest...the entire "EDH playing policy" is stupid. Rodrigo has overtuned, strong decks, some others prefer casual ones, and...why should we take away from ANYONE? Sure, forcing someone into playing a more competitive deck isn't good, but forcing someone into purposely weakening theirs is an unfair IMO. It's not that you can't win with a more casual deck vs a well tuned one. Let's not have double standards here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Well to be fair Rodrigo's Statement is correct...our friend...despite being a good man and all is a Dick in Magic and will take any advantage (Specialy since he has monetary Advantage over us) To mantain himself as the only winning deck in our playgroup, his play style is also pretty fast both of his decks are turbo versions where he can combo off in 4 turns aprox...(While in those 4 turns we are barely starting to generate plays and stuff). However we made something about it...XD we balance power levels via the use of randomness (Particualy Planechasing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Well, power level of a deck is one thing, power level of the CARDS is something else. Like, if we're to make a playgroup, we should stray away from cards like ABUR Duals, or Force of Will...I mean, honestly. But just because Rodrigo in this example is playing a high powered Wanderer deck, it's not bad...he's not playing anything like Power 9 or something. I despise playing against this deck, but I can't hide the fact it's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 So, my meta looks like...Nin artifacts, eventually Adun/Shattergang reanimator/control (mine)Rhys tokens, Thassa control, Teneb reanimator, Bolas goodstuff, Progentius 5C jankHanna artifacts, Narset controlKarador comboVaevictus ramp, Gwafa Hazid group hugErebos control, Niv-Mizzet II control, Rith tokensXenagos aggro, Hidetsugu "combo"Zegana rampOf the seven, only Hanna and Karador are the more ruthlessly competitive players, with Rhys sometimes being so as well. There's a pretty good balance to counteract them if they try to do something stupid, but I've slowly noticed a seas change as people ramp up their deckbuilding quality a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I'm playing against 3 elf tribal decks(kill me pls) a mono black ob nixils deck, a horrible blue terefi deck (this guy has no idea how EDH works), Grenzo, Krenko, Giselia angel tribal, Derevi stone blade, niv mizziet and animar. The one guy and his brother started playing tooth and nail into palichron and dead eye decks which made me take Ghave back out, fight degenerate decks with even more degenerate decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 So, we could try scheduling a couple of games this weekend huh? I should be free tonight and tomorrow night, as well as the entirety of Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Ok, club has been quite, so I got a discussion question! Who is the best Stax commander? In my opinion it is Grand Arbiter Augustin IV, due to his cost-increasing effect making your opponents have a generally bad day, but other options certainly exist, such as Teysa, Orzhov Scion with her powerful removal and easy combo wins, or Keranos, God of Storms for the sheer advantage and inevitability he brings to games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Oloro is pretty sweet for Stax, too. My version is control because I don't like Stax, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Prossh or Ghave are really good for stax, they are just constant value engines as well as sac outlets. They are in good stax colors too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I've seen Shirei run Smokestacks. It was as bad as Braids as it just keeps reviving whatever weenies it sacs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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