Super Showdown Society (closed)

[Darj]

So, they have been unstable with the banlist. Seems the metagame can be overly aggressive. I wouldn't play this format either, unless a tournament is organized here in this club. But watching the replays has been entertaining.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I saw someone using a Toxic Orb/Quick Feet/Guts/Toxic Boost/Poison Heal team and my god it was scary looking.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Scarf Rayquaza is under appreciated. 

 

You can pretty much throw a movie to out both Primals, Draco Meteor, and Dragon Ascent to just about clean through anything

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

YCM username: Krow
Pokemon Showdown username: Magearnaisgay69420

Favorite tier: OU

Favorite type: Dark or Ghost because typespam.team

[Snatch Steal]

YCM username: KrowPokemon Showdown username: Magearnaisgay69420

Favorite tier: OU

Favorite type: Dark or Ghost because typespam.team

OU is your favorite tier?

 

That’s a weird way to spell BH...

 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

YCM username: Krow

Pokemon Showdown username: Magearnaisgay69420

Favorite tier: OU

Favorite type: Dark or Ghost because typespam.team

Much surprise. Also rip Magearna is one of my favorites to use

 

Welcome!

Scarf Rayquaza is under appreciated. 

 

You can pretty much throw a movie to out both Primals, Draco Meteor, and Dragon Ascent to just about clean through anything

tbh I don't see why someone wouldn't just use Dragon Dance Ray instead, almost same thing except more power and versatility and getting a boost isn't terribly difficult.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Much surprise. Also rip Magearna is one of my favorites to use

 

Welcome!

tbh I don't see why someone wouldn't just use Dragon Dance Ray instead, almost same thing except more power and versatility and getting a boost isn't terribly difficult.

You'd get out sped by faster Dragons like Ultra Nek or Mega Sal

 

Or a well placed Ice Beam from Poger or Moon from a geo'd Xerneas

V Create Does 180 Damage

 

Draco Met does 130

 

Sky Assent does 120

 

With a max'd out SpA and Speed stat you can usually land those and a 4th move of your choice (I pref EQ) w/ prio against your opponent of choice

[Snatch Steal]

Much surprise. Also rip Magearna is one of my favorites to use

 

Welcome!

 

tbh I don't see why someone wouldn't just use Dragon Dance Ray instead, almost same thing except more power and versatility and getting a boost isn't terribly difficult.

Scarf is instantly applicable, which is important against Pokémon like Marshadow that are immune to Extreme Speed.

But if one wants to out the Primals, then you’d be better off with band, Specs, or Life Orb in order to maximize damage since Rayquaza sits at a higher speed tier than them anyway

 

I’ve seen Dragon Ascent 2hko some weird things even in AG so I sense that normal ray has a hard time OHKOing primals with stabs

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

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I don't play OU, but I kinda wanna mess around with Mega Eons in follow up with Mew's Z move given the whole Psy field effect

Scarf is instantly applicable, which is important against Pokémon like Marshadow that are immune to Extreme Speed.
But if one wants to out the Primals, then you’d be better off with band, Specs, or Life Orb in order to maximize damage since Rayquaza sits at a higher speed tier than them anyway

I’ve seen Dragon Ascent 2hko some weird things even in AG so I sense that normal ray has a hard time OHKOing primals with stabs

You'd be better off fighting Marsh with Ekiller that knows Shadow Force right? Or maybe Gira-O with shadow sneak?

 

Tryna think what scarf ray could have to out Marsh

 

I'm mainly thinking about using Scarf Ray to out the primals, other dragons, or steels (like the annoying funking Nekrozma)

[Snatch Steal]

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I don't play OU, but I kinda wanna mess around with Mega Eons in follow up with Mew's Z move given the whole Psy field effect

You can see this from miles away, but

 

 

1. Terrain Extender

2. Great STABs

3. Sets terrain multiple times

4. You can use another Z-move

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You can see this from miles away, but

 

 

1. Terrain Extender

2. Great STABs

3. Sets terrain multiple times

4. You can use another Z-move

Yehh, but 185 damage mate...

[Snatch Steal]

Yehh, but 185 damage mate...

Same thing with other Z-moves

 

If you want a strong Z-move then you could use Psychium Z Lele in fact, since you get the power from the Z-move, Stab, and terrain

 

Psychic spam really loves to have terrain up frequently so only having 5 turns to spam your moves isn’t conducive to 6v6

I saw someone using a Toxic Orb/Quick Feet/Guts/Toxic Boost/Poison Heal team and my god it was scary looking.

Haha shared power

 

So far Toxic Spam is my favorite team archetype because Stall is really fun with it

 

Problem is you lose to either Aerilate Noivern or Mold Breaker Haxorus

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Same thing with other Z-moves

 

If you want a strong Z-move then you could use Psychium Z Lele in fact, since you get the power from the Z-move, Stab, and terrain

 

Psychic spam really loves to have terrain up frequently so only having 5 turns to spam your moves isn’t conducive to 6v6

 

Haha shared power

 

So far Toxic Spam is my favorite team archetype because Stall is really fun with it

 

Problem is you lose to either Aerilate Noivern or Mold Breaker Haxorus

Don't think so, outside of OHKO moves, Genesis Super Nova is literally the strongest move in the game

 

I'd basically take Ray's place on my Uber team, scarfed, fast, high SpA. Mew can learn basically any other thing to quick out other OU threats 

That being said, I don't play OU, so just spitballing atm

Scarf is instantly applicable

This is the key 

[Snatch Steal]

Don't think so, outside of OHKO moves, Genesis Super Nova is literally the strongest move in the game

 

I'd basically take Ray's place on my Uber team, scarfed, fast, high SpA. Mew can learn basically any other thing to quick out other OU threats That being said, I don't play OU, so just spitballing atm

Mew can’t use an item in conjunction with Mewnium Z

V-create and Boomburst are comparably strong considering you can use them multiple times but are still underwhelming because they are not on particularly strong Pokémon or the ones that use them don’t appreciate the stat drops

Mew is a jack of all trades but a master of none, meanwhile Lele is an offense machine and has the tools it needs to manage some of its switch-ins

My experience in Balanced Hackmons has taught me that putting your team on a timer, such as by allowing hazards to stay up, can make you lose. Mewnium Z as a lead seems reckless because Mew doesn’t particularly threaten Dark-Types and it only gets 5 turns of terrain. Meanwhile, Lele can predict a switch to Tyranitar and use Moonblast to hit it super effectively, and use Terrain Extender to have 8 turns of terrain.

Honestly though I don’t think Psychic Terrain is very important in OU because nothing uses priority. If Talon was still usable then it would be a different story but there’s pretty much no priority this gen. The best part about Psychic Terrain is that it gives an extra 1.5x to Psychic-Type moves, which is why in Balanced Hackmons there’s almost no -Ate yet Mega Mewtwo Y has swollen in popularity.

 

If Mew drops to UU then I’d say go for it but Lele is sort of more useful overall. And I definitely wouldn’t say Mew is comparable to Rayquaza in too many ways

 

As far as memory serves me Mew is best used as a specially defensive defogger with Knock Off and Stealth Rock

 

Edit Edit: Scarf Lele is pretty good

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You're right, I was being stupid, I though you can scarf and z cryst

 

I dunno, I'll keep messing around with it to see what I get

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Scarf Lele was literally the first thing I wanted to use when I started playing Gen 7, it's not as good as it was but it can still really do some damage. Issue is Steel types and Pursuit trapping.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

Somebody play my rusty ass in OU

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Somebody play my rusty ass in OU

Sadly I only have 3 OU teams (I have sorta fallen off a bit during this meta besides at the start) one was made quickly without much thought one was made at the very start of Gen 7 and one is just kinda bad but I wanted to try something.

That being said I'll be over there soon, lordcowcow.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Couldn't an offensively focused Eon Duo take the place of MMT in OU?

Anyway, this is my rough Uber Team

 

Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb  

Ability: Levitate  

Shiny: Yes  

EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD  

Adamant Nature  

- Defog  

- Shadow Sneak  

- Earthquake  

- Dragon Tail  

 

Rayquaza @ Choice Scarf  

Ability: Air Lock  

EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe  

Naive Nature  

- Draco Meteor  

- Dragon Ascent  

- V-create  

- Extreme Speed  

 

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Leftovers  

Ability: Prism Armor  

EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe  

Adamant Nature  

- Rock Polish  

- Swords Dance  

- Earthquake  

- Sunsteel Strike  

 

Arceus @ Chople Berry  

Ability: Multitype  

EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe  

- Swords Dance  

- Extreme Speed  

- Earthquake  

- Shadow Force  

 

Xerneas @ Power Herb  

Ability: Fairy Aura  

Shiny: Yes  

EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 100 SpD / 84 Spe  

Modest Nature  

- Geomancy  

- Moonblast  

- Thunder  

- Close Combat  

 

Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb  

Ability: Drought  

Shiny: Yes  

EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD  

Careful Nature  

- Stealth Rock  

- Precipice Blades  

- Roar  

- Lava Plume  

 

 

I had a better one somewhere, that was solid in Gen 6, but Nekrozma threw my life into a spin

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ubers-704922943

 

made a lot of mistakes imo

[Snatch Steal]

Hey so Psychic Surge Suspect happens in Balanced Hackmons on Monday which is pretty fascinating. This is a great time for newcomers to try out a meta in which priority becomes slightly more important (wink wink)

 

I’m wondering if this could be the advent of a metagame that more closely resembles Generation 6 Balanced Hackmons which is very exciting. I still miss Mega Latias with Soul Dew though ;-;

 

The most notable change is that Mega Mewtwo Y will use Contrary, DQM (Dazzling/Queenly Majesty), or Magic Guard + Mind Blown over Psychic Surge on many more sets. I also presume that it will remain S tier because of its versatility.

 

Nevertheless, we will see fewer Dark-type Pokémon and probably more Flash Fire Steels to beat the surge of Ates. I’ll let you guys in on what I intend to use:

 

Diancie-Mega @ Safety Goggles

Ability: Pixilate

EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe

Lonely Nature

- Extreme Speed

- Fake Out

- Spore

- Boomburst

 

Diancie-Mega @ Pixie Plate

Ability: Pixilate

EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe

Hasty Nature

- Extreme Speed

- Boomburst

- V-create

- Gastro Acid

 

First set checks anything on Hyper Offense that doesn’t have Dazzling, Queenly Majesty, or Triage, and uses Spore to bear Fur Coat Chansey. I wanted to fit knock off but I’m not sure where to put it because one of them needs fake out.

 

The second one is for Flash Fire Steels and the occasional Soundproof Slowbro. I actually use the latter on one of my teams and have enjoyed it a lot because it beats Mega Mewtwo X in most forms.

 

The first one is imposterproofed by pretty much any Steel-Type that has immunity to sleep, and the second one by Fur Coat Chansey.

 

I haven’t yet tested these sets so they may not be good, but they’re designed to beat the meta specifically. I also think one could use Triage Heracross or Rayquaza in this format again, but I’d be extra careful for DQM because people will spam it in place of their precious terrain.

 

If you want to learn more then let’s battle. If you don’t care then let’s battle.

[Snatch Steal]

I saw someone using a Toxic Orb/Quick Feet/Guts/Toxic Boost/Poison Heal team and my god it was scary looking.

This was probably me, just noticed it

 

Anyway double post. Here are some funny replays of making a new alt just to not spend 5 hours in queue

 

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-706284347

 

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-706283620

 

I hope I don’t sound too mean but like......this ladder is different than most because BH has a very very high skill curve. Yet sometimes ladder doesn’t even know how to play Pokémon. AG could make better teams even.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

So here's a quick discussion topic I was thinking about.

 

Is there any Mon that you guys like using more than any other? Like one specific Pokemon you like having on your team.

 

For me it's definitely Lele, getting it in the position to sweep is so satisfying for me.

[Tourmaline]

 

I put it on OU/uber/AG teams it has no place on.

[Yui]

So here's a quick discussion topic I was thinking about.

 

Is there any Mon that you guys like using more than any other? Like one specific Pokemon you like having on your team.

 

For me it's definitely Lele, getting it in the position to sweep is so satisfying for me.

 

I basically can't build teams without Buzzwole at this point. It hits so hard and can get hit so hard, and if it gets Beast Boost off a couple times, it doesn't go down easily thanks to Drain Punch and Leech Life. Buzzwole's pulled out some super-close wins for me that other Pokemon just couldn't manage, and I'm sure he'll pull more as time goes on.