Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/12-dead-in-terrorist-attack-on-paris-weekly-gunmen-escape/ar-AA7Snwm Okay, this is getting scary. Our world is becoming more violent by the day, and I wake up to this Breaking News alert from my phone. So, discuss the significance of this attack and what it means for the world. TBH, I didn't expect France to get attacked. o.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 ..Why would they attack a newspaper? Even for terrorists, this seems extremely random since there would be better targets out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 ..Why would they attack a newspaper? Even for terrorists, this seems extremely random since there would be better targets out there "The publication's caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed have frequently drawn condemnation from Muslims." That's why. Iirc, portraying Muhammed in any way is wrong in the Islamic faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 A while ago it was just a whole weapon happy North Korea agaisnt a multi-million company. Now it's an evasive terrorist group against some journalists and designers in a mere newspaper office. And to think NK was normally overreacting against freedom of expression. This however, is sickening. I dunno how it truly feels for benevolent Muslims who follow down the proper path of Muhammad, but it just saddens me that more people are starting to get more anti-Muslim. That innocent cartoonist might have satirized other religions as well, but do we go apes**t? It's dark start for 2015 with the loss of freedom of expression. I give my condolences to the journalists and the one known as "Charb"; May they will be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 "The publication's caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed have frequently drawn condemnation from Muslims." That's why. Iirc, portraying Muhammed in any way is wrong in the Islamic faith. They've gotten a lot of threats for that before over the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 They've gotten a lot of threats for that before over the last few years. They had there office Firebombed over it in 2011 as well. It's not as if this was entirely unexpected even by the people at the paper (Given the editor was under policeprotection at the time) It's a horrible event. But, at the same time, I'm not entirely shocked by the fact it did happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormented Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 World is becoming more violent by the day? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Roses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion Yo man proper deadly I dunno, It's sad shit people needlessly died but there really isn't much we can do just stay vigilant and don't be afraid because that's what cunts want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Terrible, terrible event. Although, I still feel that it takes a very special kind of retard to go out of your way to piss people off (for example the "Draw Mohammed Day" that apparently is a thing.) I think it's finally time to unsub from /r/todayilearned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 This is a pretty terrible thing, I won't deny it. And I won't ever say it wasn't bad. But I feel I should mention. That innocent cartoonist might have satirized other religions as well, but do we go apes**t? It's dark start for 2015 with the loss of freedom of expression. I give my condolences to the journalists and the one known as "Charb"; May they will be missed. Keep in mind that. 1.) Not every country has the same "freedoms" that others do. 2.) Even showing an image of the prophet Muhammad is considered a terrible thing, let along mocking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think this image portrays the event and other acts of radicalism best. In fighting in the "name of Islam" they're doing more harm to the religion than good (the building behind the Hebdo building is a Mosque.) My problem with shit like this has never been with the radicals themselves, because as evident throughout history, horrible people will always exist and their reasoning will forever be illogical. The real issue is that people (not all) can't directly target their hatred towards the radicals themselves so they take it out on the next closest thing, the Muslim family down the street or any person who openly practices any religion for that matter. People still can't seem to understand that fighting hatred with more hatred doesn't actually solve anything, and it honestly disappoints me that we live in a world where it's the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Night said it perfectly, and it's something I meant to say before. There's no point in blaming an entire religion on something a few people do. Ya know I meant to add more to this but it'll always be lackluster compared to what Night said so.....yeah that's all for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGAcat Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 It should be noted that the newspaper in question has a long history of highly racist, homophobic, and islamaphobic cartoons (the mohammad one in question, if I understand it correctly, not only depicted mohammad, but depicted him being sodomized). France itself has a history of islamaphobic persecution (both within their own country and through their colonization). Is this act defensible or morally right? No (and both the quaran and the vast majority of muslims would agree with that). Is this newspaper some innocent victim being martyred because they dared to use free speech? I don't think so either. My thoughts honestly go out to the Muslims in France right now because you can bet there will be a rise of anti-muslim violence in the wake of this (#killallmuslims was trending on twitter a few hours ago). The KKK and Westboro church can exist and no christian needs to explain how they're separate minority extremists, but every time an act of violence is done by muslims every muslim in the world has to bend over backwards to appease the masses for their own safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 While it is tragic that innocent lives were lost, it probably didn't help that the targeted newspaper poked fun at Islam a lot. Also with France's history dealing with Islam, which I won't elaborate on, since others already said them (especially Night). Given previous events involving this issue, insulting their religion or moreso their prophet is grounds for some sort of terror attack/killing. It's understandable that people are defending their beliefs, but again this is unacceptable behavior. Pretty sure that a lot of the extremists make fun of God/Christianity, but I don't recall someone starting a terrorist plot against them for it. Violence never solves anything, except repeat the cycle of hatred over and bringing on more conflicts. (I would quote Pain right now, but not appropriate time for that) This incident puts another stain on the image of Muslims as a whole; not all of them are militant like al-Qaeda and ISIS, and indeed, even CAIR and other major Islamic organizations denounced the attack. A good amount of people are probably under the assumption that Muslims are known to incite violence, because of what's happening in our world now. However, keep in mind that it's only a few of them that choose to be radicals. (Not quite sure if said radicals are all of one branch, and the peaceful followers are in the other; I'm not an expert in this field, so please correct me if I'm mistaken here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman ali Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Both are in the wrong. And both are retarded. You have to be beyond insane to draw something that will obviously provoke someone, especially in a generation where terrorist groups like ISIS are roaming around. Lets just clarify that A LOT of ISIS are from EU. When prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was spreading Islam, he used to get abused in so many ways (rocks were thrown at him till his legs bled; Zoroastrians, Jews and others called him a crazy poet; etc.) yet he didn't pick up the sword and butcher people for it, he forgave them (he even forgave the people who killed his uncle) and asked God to have mercy on them. I just don't get where ISIS are getting the idea that if someone insults you or insults Islam you should go kill them immediately. I read Facebook posts a few minutes ago and people keep claiming that Islamic leaders are not condemning ISIS. Uhmmmm... they are. It's just not on western news. I don't know why the west doesn't show it but Ayatollah Sayed Sistani went to war against ISIS when ISIS started infiltrating Iraq and butchering people. Not only did 2 million Iraqis join the army against ISIS in the first week but scholars with high statuses in the Holy City of Najaf also joined. Ayatollah Khamanaei also is against ISIS. Sayed Hassan Nasrullah is also against ISIS. I can name so many more but these are the prominent figures. It's funny how people think that ISIS only want to kill people in the west. Actually, their main goal is to annihilate a certain sect of Islam: the Shia and any other Islamic sect that doesn't agree with them. Just the humble opinion of a Shia Muslim who's been living in the middle east for 18 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Both are in the wrong. And both are retarded. You have to be beyond insane to draw something that will obviously provoke someone, especially in a generation where terrorist groups like ISIS are roaming around. Lets just clarify that A LOT of ISIS are from EU. When prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was spreading Islam, he used to get abused in so many ways (rocks were thrown at him till his legs bled; Zoroastrians, Jews and others called him a crazy poet; etc.) yet he didn't pick up the sword and butcher people for it, he forgave them (he even forgave the people who killed his uncle) and asked God to have mercy on them. I just don't get where ISIS are getting the idea that if someone insults you or insults Islam you should go kill them immediately. I read Facebook posts a few minutes ago and people keep claiming that Islamic leaders are not condemning ISIS. Uhmmmm... they are. It's just not on western news. I don't know why the west doesn't show it but Ayatollah Sayed Sistani went to war against ISIS when ISIS started infiltrating Iraq and butchering people. Not only did 2 million Iraqis join the army against ISIS in the first week but scholars with high statuses in the Holy City of Najaf also joined. Ayatollah Khamanaei also is against ISIS. Sayed Hassan Nasrullah is also against ISIS. I can name so many more but these are the prominent figures. It's funny how people think that ISIS only want to kill people in the west. Actually, their main goal is to annihilate a certain sect of Islam: the Shia and any other Islamic sect that doesn't agree with them. Just the humble opinion of a Shia Muslim who's been living in the middle east for 18 years. I was waiting for your input on this, and I wasn't disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Update: http://a.msn.com/r/2/AA7UuXE?a=1&m=en-us Well, isn't this interesting. Not sure if its connected to yesterday or not, but Paris is in for a violent couple of days. o.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 While it is tragic that innocent lives were lost, it probably didn't help that the targeted newspaper poked fun at Islam a lot. Also with France's history dealing with Islam, which I won't elaborate on, since others already said them (especially Night). Given previous events involving this issue, insulting their religion or moreso their prophet is grounds for some sort of terror attack/killing. It's understandable that people are defending their beliefs, but again this is unacceptable behavior. Pretty sure that a lot of the extremists make fun of God/Christianity, but I don't recall someone starting a terrorist plot against them for it. Violence never solves anything, except repeat the cycle of hatred over and bringing on more conflicts. (I would quote Pain right now, but not appropriate time for that) This incident puts another stain on the image of Muslims as a whole; not all of them are militant like al-Qaeda and ISIS, and indeed, even CAIR and other major Islamic organizations denounced the attack. A good amount of people are probably under the assumption that Muslims are known to incite violence, because of what's happening in our world now. However, keep in mind that it's only a few of them that choose to be radicals. (Not quite sure if said radicals are all of one branch, and the peaceful followers are in the other; I'm not an expert in this field, so please correct me if I'm mistaken here) Unfortunately, the bible teaches otherwise. See: The Revelation. 7 years of violence and the various disasters, the war between the Antichrist and God's Army, and finally, the Second Coming, is followed by 1000 years of peace. So technically, violence does solve problems. Its a temporary solution (but 1000 years is still an extremely long time), but it is a solution nonetheless. I don't necessarily agree with it though, and would really prefer both the extremists and the people who instigate them to grow the fuck up. Update: http://a.msn.com/r/2/AA7UuXE?a=1&m=en-us Well, isn't this interesting. Not sure if its connected to yesterday or not, but Paris is in for a violent couple of days. o.o This article is inaccurate. The female officer isn't "seriously hurt". She's dead. The article also doesn't mention that it was a routine traffic stop, which is actually pretty significant info regarding connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's not just Paris. As is sadly expected nowadays, Muslim focused assaults and crimes occured across France overnight I think. Not sure if anyone died in them, but it's the usual stupid persecution of innocent people as a side of effect of the extremists. Mosques getting vandalized, a kebab shop of all things got set on fire I think among them. And I think a faux grenade being thrown into an evening group somewhere in France. I also read that two of the suspected gunmen from the attack yesterday were spotted robbing a Petrol station in Northern France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yeah, they did rob a Gas Station. It was also the last place they were seen, while the getaway driver, (the 18 year old), turned himself in after hearing his name on social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Unfortunately, the bible teaches otherwise. See: The Revelation. 7 years of violence and the various disasters, the war between the Antichrist and God's Army, and finally, the Second Coming, is followed by 1000 years of peace. So technically, violence does solve problems. Its a temporary solution (but 1000 years is still an extremely long time), but it is a solution nonetheless. I don't necessarily agree with it though, and would really prefer both the extremists and the people who instigate them to grow the fuck up. This article is inaccurate. The female officer isn't "seriously hurt". She's dead. The article also doesn't mention that it was a routine traffic stop, which is actually pretty significant info regarding connections. Breaking News alert when I woke up, so that could have been the facts available at the time cause Breaking News. Also, another update: http://a.msn.com/r/2/AA7Vtwd?a=1&m=EN-US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Another update. French officials are launching a Dragnet to catch the two brothers. I don't know what a Dragnet is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Another update. French officials are launching a Dragnet to catch the two brothers. I don't know what a Dragnet is though. Sounds like a Pokémon to me. Gotta catch em all (the terrorists). Actually: a systematic search for someone or something, especially criminals or criminal activity. I honestly don't quite care that a certain…part? of Muslims(? they're so far off at times it's hard to call them Muslims lol) found what this newspaper was doing to be insulting. You can find things insulting. That's life. You don't kill people (or even hurt them) at all for it. I know that I'm spoiled by America's so called "free" speech, but still. Hell, I don't think it's just an American concept either. I believe the term around the world was "get the f*** over it". What, do people need to consider every living thing's (sometimes outrageous) stance on something before making a decision to make something (if that even makes sense)? "Oh, one person/group might not like this, guess we won't do it" is pretty stupid (unless you're in like really small groups, lol). I get the feeling these people would kill even if the person wasn't trying to be insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Thank you for the definition Makes more sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Sounds like a Pokémon to me. Gotta catch em all (the terrorists). Actually: a systematic search for someone or something, especially criminals or criminal activity. I honestly don't quite care that a certain…part? of Muslims(? they're so far off at times it's hard to call them Muslims lol) found what this newspaper was doing to be insulting. You can find things insulting. That's life. You don't kill people (or even hurt them) at all for it. I know that I'm spoiled by America's so called "free" speech, but still. Hell, I don't think it's just an American concept either. I believe the term around the world was "get the f*** over it". What, do people need to consider every living thing's (sometimes outrageous) stance on something before making a decision to make something (if that even makes sense)? "Oh, one person/group might not like this, guess we won't do it" is pretty stupid (unless you're in like really small groups, lol). I get the feeling these people would kill even if the person wasn't trying to be insulting. It's not "Oh, one person/groups might not like this, guess we won't do it". It's "Oh right now there's some crazy extremists running around maybe we should be careful what we say as to not get killed". Is it RIGHT that they have to worry about that? Hell no. But if you know there's a dangerous group that will react violently (not just with dislike) why do it? It's not like they're making statements that haven't been made before. You have to use your brain and figure out when a good and bad time to say those kinds of things are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-29/world-actually-becoming-more-peaceful-believe-it-or-not (directed at OP - because they said that the world is becoming more violent) Also, to the topic at hand: Hatred does not cease by hatred, but by love. That is the eternal rule. We shouldnt be hating the Muslim people(or is it Islamic? I seriously have no clue, someone please fill me in(this is not sarcasm, i swear))). Their religion is not the problem. It is the terrorist groups who commit this hateful acts. If you want to be angry, be angry at those causing harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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