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Cops in general*

 

Worst part is, the word of the cops is going to be shown as fact, despite it clearly contradicting the video

 

The video is not exactly contradicting. Its biased towards what happened during the scuffle rather than what caused it before and after. The video leaves out a lot of elements that could have led to the man being hit with a taser then shot. And if he did reach for the gun as the spokesman said, then the response would be to shoot the person. But again, the details that led up to that are murky based on evidence given.

 

One important thing to note is the absurdity of the following: [Why didn't they simply "shoot the man in the leg?" Blackburn asked. "He's already on the ground."] 

You do not shoot to harm, you shoot to kill. To shoot to harm is to torture. The police are taught this, anyone who takes formal training with a gun is taught this, etc. If you do not use your gun to threaten, you use it to kill. Anything else is an emotional and logistical nightmare. Avoid it.

 

While it cannot be said whether or not the shots and subsequent death is justified based on evidence presented to us, it can be said that excessive force may have been applied. (And yes I realize how much that sounds like lawyerspeak or whatever, but that's exactly what it is).

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Before Ferguson and all that stuff went on, I would react surprised when this happened. Now, with Ferguson and Garner going on, I'm not surprised this is happening. When is somebody going to step up to the plate and do something about it!

 

While I don't think ALL cops are bad, there definitely needs to be some police reform. However, getiing people to stand up for that or any reform in this country is the hard part.

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There's always going to be problems like this when you arm your police. You wouldn't shoot to harm, if you'd already used a taser as a subduing method. 

 

And I like how this has been claimed as racial by some people, is racism that deep seated in the US that it can't just be classed as a crime against a person? 

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And I like how this has been claimed as racial by some people, is racism that deep seated in the US that it can't just be classed as a crime against a person? 

 

To be honest, yes.  That doesn't mean this was actually a hate crime, but we've had enough problems with racial profiling by the police that people can tend to jump to conclusions. 

 

 

I don't know what people are expecting.  The main did resist arrest.  The real problem is that we don't have a system that will properly evaluate the incident and penalize excess aggression.  People on the internet are spewing such mindless vitriol I am really questioning whether people actually give a fuck about the guy who got shot or they just want to yell about it because it's trendy. 

 

On the other hand, the LAPD have shown such excessive violence in the past, it's kind of understandable that people don't believe them when they say the guy reached for the gun.  

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There's always going to be problems like this when you arm your police. You wouldn't shoot to harm, if you'd already used a taser as a subduing method. 

 

And I like how this has been claimed as racial by some people, is racism that deep seated in the US that it can't just be classed as a crime against a person? 

 

I'm pretty sure the U.S. is not alone in arming of police. Can't find which other countries actually arm police, though.

 

And, I think one of the officers on the scene was black himself. I think it mentioned that before but it doesn't mention it now, I don't think. So, I dunno how race can play a role in this.

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Mexico never really has race issues with police. However corruption is another thing. Mexico doesn't have issues with police brutality though. For example there were some huge riots a few months ago. Buildings where burned, toll roads taken over by protestors, and a bunch of cars were turned over. During this incident there were 0 casualties. I guess police in the states are taught more aggressive counter measures than Canada and Mexico.

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Mexico never really has race issues with police. However corruption is another thing. Mexico doesn't have issues with police brutality though. For example there were some huge riots a few months ago. Buildings where burned, toll roads taken over by protestors, and a bunch of cars were turned over. During this incident there were 0 casualties. I guess police in the states are taught more aggressive counter measures than Canada and Mexico.

 

The race thing, I agree on. But, I'm not so sure on the bruality thing. Whiile I think the U.S. has more known cases of it, I would not rule out Mexico.

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Mexico never really has race issues with police. However corruption is another thing. Mexico doesn't have issues with police brutality though. For example there were some huge riots a few months ago. Buildings where burned, toll roads taken over by protestors, and a bunch of cars were turned over. During this incident there were 0 casualties. I guess police in the states are taught more aggressive counter measures than Canada and Mexico.

 

Mexico has a HUGE problem with police brutality and corruption. Torture and abuse is so widespread it's pretty much endemic, and getting arrested in Mexico is pretty much the same as being kidnapped by the mob. At least, that's what I've been told. I don't know how bad things are, but my personal experience, even over here in Italy, is that the police is MORE LIKELY to employ violence on peaceful protesters: in Genoa, 2001, the police arrested and tortured hundreds of peaceful protesters, while the ones actually destroying stuff were left unchecked. Then, those people were kept for days in the barracks of Bolzaneto without formal charges or even without letting them see a lawyer or contact anyone. Reports are that the arrested were beaten, forced to strip and stand for hours, left without food or water, and some were even raped. Here in Italy things aren't nearly as bad as with the US, and even here I noticed that in the case of a big protest, the police is most likely to employ violence against nonviolent protesters or even bystanders: when met with actual resistence, no policeman wants to risk, so they let violent protesters rampage. Recently, a military medic who participated to the tortures at Bolzaneto was only suspended from service for six months.

 

As I said, here in Italy things are much less dismal than in the USA. Just think what the situation is really like down there...

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Mexico has a HUGE problem with police brutality and corruption. Torture and abuse is so widespread it's pretty much endemic, and getting arrested in Mexico is pretty much the same as being kidnapped by the mob. At least, that's what I've been told. I don't know how bad things are, but my personal experience, even over here in Italy, is that the police is MORE LIKELY to employ violence on peaceful protesters: in Genoa, 2001, the police arrested and tortured hundreds of peaceful protesters, while the ones actually destroying stuff were left unchecked. Then, those people were kept for days in the barracks of Bolzaneto without formal charges or even without letting them see a lawyer or contact anyone. Reports are that the arrested were beaten, forced to strip and stand for hours, left without food or water, and some were even raped. Here in Italy things aren't nearly as bad as with the US, and even here I noticed that in the case of a big protest, the police is most likely to employ violence against nonviolent protesters or even bystanders: when met with actual resistence, no policeman wants to risk, so they let violent protesters rampage. Recently, a military medic who participated to the tortures at Bolzaneto was only suspended from service for six months.
 
As I said, here in Italy things are much less dismal than in the USA. Just think what the situation is really like down there...



There's a difference between cops and criminals posing as them. Also I would add that there was a case where college students where maced when they were arrested in a line. Guess the quote is true "Take it to a jury, and they'll throw it in your face, cuz justice in LA comes in a can of mace now"

plus, in Ferguson the Department of Justice said that there was civil rights violations. It said an African American was twice more likely to get pulled over, and three times more likely to be incarcerated than a white man.
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There's a difference between cops and criminals posing as them. Also I would add that there was a case where college students where maced when they were arrested in a line. Guess the quote is true "Take it to a jury, and they'll throw it in your face, cuz justice in LA comes in a can of mace now"

plus, in Ferguson the Department of Justice said that there was civil rights violations. It said an African American was twice more likely to get pulled over, and three times more likely to be incarcerated than a white man.

 

I don't think he's talking about criminals posing as cops. Mexico definitely has issue with their police just like we do.

 

Also, Albuquerque cops were investigated by the Justice Department for their use of excessive force. And 2 officers were charged with murder in this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Boyd_shooting

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The cop should be baked in a big oven. That is all the retarded bitch deserves.

 

Let me go ahead and do this since no one else will.

 

Get the fuck out.  Because it's this stupid ass mentality from fuckheads like you that not only worsens the problem, but harms everyone else at the same time.  You have very poor indication of what happened, as well as everyone else who has seen the video.  You may not agree with it, I may not agree with it, but wishing death on someone else is the type of mentality that makes people end up in the exact situation this victim was in.  When you fill your head with that bullshit, you'll be the next motherfucker laid out on the street, in cold blood.  Because you're too busy taking sides and going on a "fuck the police" spree.  Regardless of what caused your ignorant ass response, I sincerely hope you don't come back here with that bullshit again.

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Passion in the name of peace is hypocrisy; passion is war and peace is death. 

 

Yes, peace is death. To be lifeless, immobile and capable of nothing, that is peace and that is death. To have no freedom or control and be subject to the power of external forces, that is peace and that is death. To move and act without resistance, that is war and that is life. To wish and inflict peace/death upon others, that is war and that is life.

 

To wish for inner peace is to wish for death, to act upon that wish is suicide. To be entirely peaceful is to be dead. That is why the dead rest in peace.

 

Those who wish to celebrate life and live it to its fullest will dominate, manipulate, destroy, kill, conquer and prey upon those who don't, who will embrace weakness, defeat, sacrifice, self-denial, shame, silence, sleep and death. That shall be the basis for all human activity. Though it is true we pick our battles and can use peace/death as a tactical retreat, our life, freedom, passions and power depend on our readiness to wage war when necessary. 

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Passion in the name of peace is hypocrisy; passion is war and peace is death. 

 

Yes, peace is death. To be lifeless, immobile and capable of nothing, that is peace and that is death. To have no freedom or control and be subject to the power of external forces, that is peace and that is death. To move and act without resistance, that is war and that is life. To wish and inflict peace/death upon others, that is war and that is life.

 

To wish for inner peace is to wish for death, to act upon that wish is suicide. To be entirely peaceful is to be dead. That is why the dead rest in peace.

 

Those who wish to celebrate life and live it to its fullest will dominate, manipulate, destroy, kill, conquer and prey upon those who don't, who will embrace weakness, defeat, sacrifice, self-denial, shame, silence, sleep and death. That shall be the basis for all human activity. Though it is true we pick our battles and can use peace/death as a tactical retreat, our life, freedom, passions and power depend on our readiness to wage war when necessary. 

 

In other words. Something's wrong either do something about it, or move out of the way and let the ones actually doing something do their thing.

At least that's what I got out of all that. XD

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Passion in the name of peace is hypocrisy; passion is war and peace is death. 

 

Yes, peace is death. To be lifeless, immobile and capable of nothing, that is peace and that is death. To have no freedom or control and be subject to the power of external forces, that is peace and that is death. To move and act without resistance, that is war and that is life. To wish and inflict peace/death upon others, that is war and that is life.

 

To wish for inner peace is to wish for death, to act upon that wish is suicide. To be entirely peaceful is to be dead. That is why the dead rest in peace.

 

Those who wish to celebrate life and live it to its fullest will dominate, manipulate, destroy, kill, conquer and prey upon those who don't, who will embrace weakness, defeat, sacrifice, self-denial, shame, silence, sleep and death. That shall be the basis for all human activity. Though it is true we pick our battles and can use peace/death as a tactical retreat, our life, freedom, passions and power depend on our readiness to wage war when necessary. 

Dude, it was corny when Nietzche said it, and you're not the half of him.

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Let me go ahead and do this since no one else will.

 

Get the f*** out.  Because it's this stupid ass mentality from f***heads like you that not only worsens the problem, but harms everyone else at the same time.  You have very poor indication of what happened, as well as everyone else who has seen the video.  You may not agree with it, I may not agree with it, but wishing death on someone else is the type of mentality that makes people end up in the exact situation this victim was in.  When you fill your head with that bullshit, you'll be the next motherf***er laid out on the street, in cold blood.  Because you're too busy taking sides and going on a "f*** the police" spree.  Regardless of what caused your ignorant ass response, I sincerely hope you don't come back here with that bullshit again.

 

I've seen comments on YouTube essentially celebrating a cop being killed. We may have problems with our police but that is no reason to celebrate the death of a cop.

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Let me go ahead and do this since no one else will.

 

Get the f*** out.  Because it's this stupid ass mentality from f***heads like you that not only worsens the problem, but harms everyone else at the same time.  You have very poor indication of what happened, as well as everyone else who has seen the video.  You may not agree with it, I may not agree with it, but wishing death on someone else is the type of mentality that makes people end up in the exact situation this victim was in.  When you fill your head with that bullshit, you'll be the next motherf***er laid out on the street, in cold blood.  Because you're too busy taking sides and going on a "f*** the police" spree.  Regardless of what caused your ignorant ass response, I sincerely hope you don't come back here with that bullshit again.

 

That was a stupid comment. I'm just going to stop posting in threads like these from now on.

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That was a stupid comment. I'm just going to stop posting in threads like these from now on.

 

Post in them. Your alternative viewpoint is valuable for discussion. But do not wish ill upon someone, especially not freaking being baked in an oven. What the hell man?

And Dorian's point is made in the first couple of sentences. The video does not show everything that went on and there are clear points where we could not tell what was happening between the man and the cop.

 

Now why would you wish COOKING a person when you do not have all the facts?

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