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Anime Effect:Target 1 face-up Xyz Monster you control with the highest Rank; Xyz Summon from your Extra Deck, 1 Xyz Monster that is 1 or 2 Ranks higher than that monster you control, by using it as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to it also become Xyz Materials on the Summoned monster.) During your Draw Phase, instead of conducting your normal draw: You can add this card from your Graveyard to your hand.

 

 

 

IRL: Target the 1 Xyz Monster you control with the highest Rank (your choice, if tied); Special Summon from your Extra Deck, 1 monster with the same Type and Attribute as that monster you control but 2 Ranks higher, by using it as the Xyz Material. (This Special Summon is treated as an Xyz Summon. Xyz Materials attached to it also become Xyz Materials on the Summoned monster.) During your Draw Phase, if this card is in your Graveyard, instead of conducting your normal draw: You can add this card from your Graveyard to your hand. You cannot Special Summon during the turn you activate this effect, except by the effect of "Rank-Up-Magic Astral Force".

 

 

All i can say is that Anime wins this one. IRL effect has a NUMEROUS amount of restrictions which is ridiculously annoying to deal with. Hell i would've been satisfied with "1 or 2 Ranks Higher" for the IRL one but nah.

This is one of those cards that makes me think konami didn't know how to handle zexal era cards at all.

 

 

How about you guys? Thoughts, Comments or concerns?

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Or, rather, you should blame the ZeXal era cards. Hikokubo used duels as an alternate narrative and neglected to include the fact that cards shouldn't be plot devices and/or absurd.

 

Even better, this is the best RUM, so idk why you'd complain. It wouldn't really be a fair card with the anime version at all, or 1-2 Ranks higher.

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The ability to freely Rank-Up any Xyz to completely different Xyz Monsters, without worrying about CXyz or Number archetype restrictions, is inherently worrying. Like how Ptolemaeus opened up for Cyber Dragon Infinity in a Deck that otherwise has no means of properly making Nova.

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The ability to freely Rank-Up any Xyz to completely different Xyz Monsters, without worrying about CXyz or Number archetype restrictions, is inherently worrying. Like how Ptolemaeus opened up for Cyber Dragon Infinity in a Deck that otherwise has no means of properly making Nova.

 

To be fair, the difference with Ptolemaeus is that it Ranks itself up without the use of an external card.  Using even anime!Astral Force would have required a bit more setup.

 

Astral Force may have been OP with its anime version, but I do think they piled on too many restrictions, particularly on its self-recovery effect.

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With is the kind of card where I don't get the purpose of the series you are doing. One of them is literally strictly better than the other. What more is there to say? I mean, a discussion of astral force could be cool, but there is very little to discuss of the differences.

 

It's pretty much that, a discussion.

It doesn't have to be strictly about which is better. It can be anything about the card (possible erratas, wishes). Besides it's also a way to discuss the IRL cards alongside the anime cards.

 

One isn't strictly always better, as stated in my hope dragon thread, they were on equals.

 

Also @Heraldry i tend to really forget about the side effect of adding it to your hand. Kinda annoying.

 

@Robin It cannot possibly be the best IRL with those kind of restrictions. None of the other RUMs even come close to having that much shit tacked on

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@Robin It cannot possibly be the best IRL with those kind of restrictions. None of the other RUMs even come close to having that much s*** tacked on


Except it still is, because it's the least limited in what it can actually summon. It isn't restricted to Number C, CXyz, Utopia or Raidraptor monsters, and its potential target pool grows with each Xyz released.
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It's pretty much that, a discussion.

It doesn't have to be strictly about which is better. It can be anything about the card (possible erratas, wishes). Besides it's also a way to discuss the IRL cards alongside the anime cards.

 

One isn't strictly always better, as stated in my hope dragon thread, they were on equals.

 

Also @Heraldry i tend to really forget about the side effect of adding it to your hand. Kinda annoying.

 

@Robin It cannot possibly be the best IRL with those kind of restrictions. None of the other RUMs even come close to having that much shit tacked on

It was used in a best deck (iirc, but it was at least a top deck) of a format not too long ago.

 

It's always had stronger generic uses than the others.

 

Being generic makes it the best, so really, know what you're going to talk about before you do.

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It was used in a best deck (iirc, but it was at least a top deck) of a format not too long ago.

 

It's always had stronger generic uses than the others.

 

Being generic makes it the best, so really, know what you're going to talk about before you do.

Can you sound more like a jackass please, i love people like you

 

I was just having a hard time believing is all. No need to be all high and mighty

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Can you sound more like a jackass please, i love people like you
 
I was just having a hard time believing is all. No need to be all high and mighty

You made a topic about comparing and contrasting.

Then proceeded to praise a version that is, at least, grossly unfair and put down a version that offers a LOT of power to things that an fulfill it consistently (namely, deck's with TGU).

You shouldn't post topics like this when you don't understand the scope of the involved cards.
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You made a topic about comparing and contrasting.

Then proceeded to praise a version that is, at least, grossly unfair and put down a version that offers a LOT of power to things that an fulfill it consistently (namely, deck's with TGU).

You shouldn't post topics like this when you don't understand the scope of the involved cards.

Well too bad

I made these for discussion, you don't like it you can piss off.

These are opinions and i even stated in my first thread of the series that we all have are opinions for it and that NONE should be harshly judged. Stop being an elitist and piss off would you? I don't want people ruining this

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Well too bad
I made these for discussion, you don't like it you can piss off.
These are opinions and i even stated in my first thread of the series that we all have are opinions for it and that NONE should be harshly judged. Stop being an idiot and piss off would you? I don't want people ruining this

Pardon? You explicitly called it CARD COMPARISONS? That's not an opinion, Astral Force is objectively the best RUM. You can't compare adequately if you don't Understand the actual impact and status of the cards in question.

Your other topics covered overly gimmicky things, for the most part, but now you're discussing a card with (at least a little) impact, and it's night and day. Just do some research before you post things like this, because it's not a matter of "opinion", and using a word like that doesn't make you any more correct.
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Pardon? You explicitly called it CARD COMPARISONS? That's not an opinion, Astral Force is objectively the best RUM. You can't compare adequately if you don't Understand the actual impact and status of the cards in question.

Your other topics covered overly gimmicky things, for the most part, but now you're discussing a card with (at least a little) impact, and it's night and day. Just do some research before you post things like this, because it's not a matter of "opinion", and using a word like that doesn't make you any more correct.

 

My other topics were explicitly anime only. But you people couldn't even bother trying to start a discussion on them.

My comment was comparing astral to the other rums because of what YOU said. I don't see "Card Comparisons: All RUMS" in the title now do you? Maybe instead of going straight on the offensive see the true meaning for the topic. Just a discussion on which of the card effects are better, ANIME or IRL (TCG/OCG).

If i came off as forcing an opinion i apologize for that.

@Gadj

 

No it isn't yet. It doesn't need to degrade to the extent of that topic. Also i wasn't the only one in the topic you know.

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I wonder who made you in charge.
 
Also my other topics were explicitly anime only. But you people couldn't even bother trying to start a discussion on them.

My comment was comparing astral to the other rums because of what YOU said. I don't see "Card Comparisons: All RUMS" in the title now do you? Maybe instead of getting a pole up your ass see the true meaning for the topic. Just a discussion on which of the card effects are better, ANIME or IRL (TCG/OCG)

I mean don't take out your rage on me that no one cared about your other topics. I'm merely pointing out that your topic doesn't adequately represent the two cards at all, and you expressed an 'opinion' contrary to the atual facts of the card's impact. As such, I said you shouldn't talk about things like this unless you understand the actual facts of the card.

@the latter: Objection:

It's pretty much that, a discussion.
It doesn't have to be strictly about which is better. It can be anything about the card (possible erratas, wishes). Besides it's also a way to discuss the IRL cards alongside the anime cards.
 
One isn't strictly always better, as stated in my hope dragon thread, they were on equals.

Please keep contradictions at a minimum.

 

My comments are on your entire thread premise and your comments after said premise. Nothing more, nothing less. You chose a bad venue to do with this comparison, considering you gave a concrete 'opinion' that's ignorant of the facts.

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I mean don't take out your rage on me that no one cared about your other topics. I'm merely pointing out that your topic doesn't adequately represent the two cards at all, and you expressed an 'opinion' contrary to the atual facts of the card's impact. As such, I said you shouldn't talk about things like this unless you understand the actual facts of the card.

@the latter: Objection:

Please keep contradictions at a minimum.

 

My comments are on your entire thread premise and your comments after said premise. Nothing more, nothing less. You chose a bad venue to do with this comparison, considering you gave a concrete 'opinion' that's ignorant of the facts.

Fine, fine. I'll keep that in mind for the next one. Now let bygons be bygons (hopefully people don't stop looking at these because i actually like these and don't want this to die off again like before)

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This act won't really amount to anything of the crowed pleasing sort, because you simply can't stick to older tricks if only because the audience demands new and exciting ones, as the show progresses.

IE, comparing eneric Rank-Ups to IRL ones that ended up different, is rather pointless.

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This act won't really amount to anything of the crowed pleasing sort, because you simply can't stick to older tricks if only because the audience demands new and exciting ones, as the show progresses.
IE, comparing eneric Rank-Ups to IRL ones that ended up different, is rather pointless.


I mean... its just a for fun comparison. This wasn't meant to be some in debt thing to analyse.

Maybe I will change the context of these threads. It won't be direct comparisons but be more discussion based.

Would that be better?
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Or, rather, you should blame the ZeXal era cards. Hikokubo used duels as an alternate narrative and neglected to include the fact that cards shouldn't be plot devices and/or absurd.

Even better, this is the best RUM, so idk why you'd complain. It wouldn't really be a fair card with the anime version at all, or 1-2 Ranks higher.


Part of that can be blamed on ZeXal's attempt to be DM all over again, down to emulating Kaz's style of "duels as arguments with shiny avatars", but adjusted badly to the game a decade later. The over-reliance on symbolism may come from Yoshida as much as Hikokubo, since Arc-V isn't nearly as bad about it.
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if, at the very least, it lost the heavy restrictions upon adding it to hand, or had a different restriction tacked on, it would be the undisputed best, but even as it is, i think it's pretty much on par, if not above the quick chaos RUM.

I say the quick chaos rum matches it because it's the only one that can come into play during either players turn, including the battle phases. that alone is enough to put it on par with astral force.

but as for the anime one, it's far too busted, it lacks any notable restrictions, and it's range is simply insane.

love them both though simply because they do allow the only versatile rank ups in RUM decks outside of CXyz and CNumbers.

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if, at the very least, it lost the heavy restrictions upon adding it to hand, or had a different restriction tacked on, it would be the undisputed best, but even as it is, i think it's pretty much on par, if not above the quick chaos RUM.

I say the quick chaos rum matches it because it's the only one that can come into play during either players turn, including the battle phases. that alone is enough to put it on par with astral force.

but as for the anime one, it's far too busted, it lacks any notable restrictions, and it's range is simply insane.

love them both though simply because they do allow the only versatile rank ups in RUM decks outside of CXyz and CNumbers.


Agreed. When I really think about it the anime one is busted beyond belief lmao.

Make infinity with any rank 3 XD
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