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This section is dysfunctional and ridiculous. It is here to talk about all aspects of Yu-Gi-Oh and discuss the game intelligently and maturely. Why is it that so many members of this forum can't hold an intelligent discussion? Every time there is a thread about any card that people have any kind of opinion on, it ends up turning into some kind of flame war and the thread ends up getting locked. Do you not seriously think that is an absolute funking joke? Can people not accept the opinions of others? Can people not take it when their arguments are countered? Do people not know what intelligent discussion and debate is? 

 

The attitude of some of the people here is appalling and something needs to be done about the impact their attitude is having on the quality of the forum. The mods need to realize who and what is causing the problem. If someone makes a stupid, useless post that adds nothing to the discussion, it is their wrongdoing and that shouldn't be left alone. Equally, if a person gets angry or annoyed that someone has a different opinion to them and starts spouting sheet and flaming, the same applies. Sure, it's probably wrong for members to minimod and directly tell other members that their posts are useless, but if the mods don't do anything about it, then I don't see why they shouldn't take things into their own hands. At least it gets the mods' attention. That being said, we can't just leave it at "I'm locking this thread, it got out of hand". We need to tackle the underlying issues we have on the forum.

 

The environment we have isn't a suitable place for newer members or less experienced players to gain knowledge and understanding of the game. We rarely discuss anything actually relevant to the game; it's mostly just shitty anime cards that nobody will end up caring about. And as I've said, every time we do discuss something relevant, "discuss" really isn't what ends up happening. This means less experienced players will never have anything to contribute and they never learn. They're also probably put off by the attitudes of some of the established members of the site. No wonder we only get like 1 new member a year that actually ends up sticking round. 

 

The way the forum is organised doesn't encourage a lot of intelligent discussion. We have separate sections for banlists and theory, as well as general Archetype discussion. Why? The forum isn't active enough for those sections to get enough attention separately. There are only a handful of posts a month in the Archetypes sub-section and not a lot goes on in Banlists + Theory outside of banlist season. If we merge these sections into one general Yu-Gi-Oh TCG/OCG discussion thread, it will encourage more decent threads to be posted. Also, we should have a sub-section for discussion of anime cards, cos I'm sick of seeing threads full of shitty new Blackwing cards that nobody would ever use if they were released and there's nothing to discuss about them. For fans of the anime, sure, each to their own, but not in a section designed for discussion of an actual competitive game.

 

I decided to put this here rather than Comments/suggestions so everyone who cares sees it. I'll be PMing mods about this as well, I'm not trying to publicly call them for some kind of Mexican stand-off for the entertainment of the townsfolk. Though, if any mod is reading this, feel free to move it to an appropriate section if you don't like it being here.

 

Now, if anyone has anything to say, make your point calmly and coherently and I will listen. I'm not great at getting across what I think so some of what I said might not make a lot of sense or it might not be what I actually mean, so feel free to ask questions.

 

For now, let's hope we can fix this diabolical mess.

 

 

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And you told me not minimod lol

I am that 1 year member that stuck around :D (and you have a point BTW, you have no idea how annoyed I was by how insultive and quick to hurt people were)

Anyway, being serious, you have alot of points that are really good, the anime thing is a brilliant idea.

Soo, since this is meant to be in comment and suggestion do I get to do the "I give this my support" thing?

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yeah

 

I particularly agree with a subsection for anime, or even better newly announced cards, because there's no real value in discussing vague potential anime effects etc. Will make a more detailed post if and when I get a keyboard.

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"Also, we should have a sub-section for discussion of anime cards, cos I'm sick of seeing threads full of shitty new Blackwing cards that nobody would ever use if they were released and there's nothing to discuss about them."

 

I'd rather save forum space and have them posted in misc since the posts in those threads are just "card sucks" and nothing of quality.

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I can at least agree that anime/manga cards should be on a separate page (I could swear they were at one point), but I'd rather be able to discuss cards even if they are trash (new Assault Blackwings) than discuss the same 3 cards over and over because they're format defining.

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"Also, we should have a sub-section for discussion of anime cards, cos I'm sick of seeing threads full of shitty new Blackwing cards that nobody would ever use if they were released and there's nothing to discuss about them."

 

I'd rather save forum space and have them posted in misc since the posts in those threads are just "card sucks" and nothing of quality.

Not really. Sometimes we do get some interesting history comments from people but yeah, I can see what you mean, although it is still related to yugioh, so it isn't strictly misc.
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You guys are only proving his point. He's legitimately trying to improve the section's quality, and you guys react like children. It hasn't even been 5 minutes and 2 posts are already attacking him.

 

Seriously, what is wrong with you people?

 

As for the topic itself, I fully agree. The topics in this section veer off topic way too easily and way too fast. 

Like, look at my serpentine princess topic. Did it REALLY need to take 2 pages to determine how the card works instead of actually discussing the card's applications and/or the scenario in the opening post?

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Why'd you have to resign man.

 

Personally, I've always thought this section was aids as funk, but it's entirely on the mentality of the people who frequent it. We could issue all of the warns we want and lock every thread the second it goes to sheet, if the members here don't want to change then it won't. 

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Was planning on writing something similar to this myself. Seems I've been beaten to it.

 

TCG's attitude is deplorable and honestly its toxic to the site. It turns away new members, as well as discourages more casual enthusiasts like myself from posting in TCG because well, there's no point. I didn't contribute to the discussion i started in my own Judgement Dragon thread a few weeks ago for precisely this reason.

 

I'm in full support, in other words.

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I'm in full support and was also planning on typing something like this later today.

 

Also another thing that I'd like to add on that isn't really an overly relevant point, but something still needing to be addressed: I think we need to cut back on a lot of the design talk as well. It just feels like it takes away a lot from discussions since it doesn't really go anywhere a lot of the time, I guess?

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yeah

 

I particularly agree with a subsection for anime, or even better newly announced cards, because there's no real value in discussing vague potential anime effects etc. Will make a more detailed post if and when I get a keyboard.

Technically, the fact that anime cards are only ever mentioned here is that they are potentially future releses, and it's always nice to see how the cards are handled if/when they get an IRL release.

I mean, sure, we can skip anime cards if it's that nesecary, but still... I like the whole idea of comparing the 'then' cards to the 'now' versions of the same cards.

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I'm in full support and was also planning on typing something like this later today.Also another thing that I'd like to add on that isn't really an overly relevant point, but something still needing to be addressed: I think we need to cut back on a lot of the design talk as well. It just feels like it takes away a lot from discussions since it doesn't really go anywhere a lot of the time, I guess?

This. I don't learn anything from knowing that a card is salt inducing or toxic, I want to know its combos and applications, how it affects the format, game state and matchups. I don't need to know statements I can easily conjure out of my own backside easily.

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This. I don't learn anything from knowing that a card is salt inducing or toxic, I want to know its combos and applications, how it affects the format, game state and matchups. I don't need to know statements I can easily conjure out of my own backside easily.

I already posted this before but... this is kinda what TCG threads devolve to after a while:

 

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Like, you try to talk about how unicorn could be a tech in a lot of things and suddenly you hear somoene saying how it should be banned, or badly designed, or something.

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Not really. Sometimes we do get some interesting history comments from people but yeah, I can see what you mean, although it is still related to yugioh, so it isn't strictly misc.

 

Yeah but the anime/manga threads, or pretty much of them, are pointless.

 

Sometimes, they'll be a card worth discussing, but people insist on posting every new anime and manga card that appears with no thought of the discussion that can come from it, and most of the threads generate zero quality posts.

 

A new Blackwing Synchro that looks good for the actual game and has an effect that's not likely to get nerfed too much, okay, go for it.

 

But, do we really need a thread for the latest manga Utopia upgrade with a million ATK? Is there anything worth discussing in a card that'll get a completely different effect for the printed version?

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game health

I can agree with every other word that you chose to use, but honestly game health should definitely not be a buzzword. When it comes to banlist season, cards interactions in the current metagame does lead to very interesting discussion on list placement in an environment where we can value each other's opinion. Game health is also a very nice word because, unlike the other one, it doesn't actually show any form of bias.

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I'm in full support and was also planning on typing something like this later today.

 

Also another thing that I'd like to add on that isn't really an overly relevant point, but something still needing to be addressed: I think we need to cut back on a lot of the design talk as well. It just feels like it takes away a lot from discussions since it doesn't really go anywhere a lot of the time, I guess?

What do you mean by design talk? I'm not sure I follow, though I do remember you bringing it up in an older thread.

 

As for the topic at hand, yes, I do feel people get hot-headed over things, but I don't want the section to go full meta as I, and possibly others, might not have much to contribute then and it would feel awkward to post non-meta things in the same section. In this case, the discussion section could be broken up into Casual and Advanced, just like the design sections are.

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I disagree with separating anime and real cards.  If you don't want to open a thread don't open it.  As for combining everything, let's do it.  I think the section has issues but we need to balance the fun of it with that.  It was most fun when it was also shittest in 2010/2011 and least fun in the intervening time.

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I just want a ban on buzzwords.

 

Bad design, game health, cancer, toxic, all of that sheet. It makes every single discussion go down the drain and contributes nothing.

It's also sometimes confusing(at least to me it is). I mean, "salt"/toxic/cancer/aids/etc; Literally all mean the same thing, as far as using it to describe a card. We don't really need use them interchangably like they are different.
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I can agree with every other word that you chose to use, but honestly game health should definitely not be a buzzword. When it comes to banlist season, cards interactions in the current metagame does lead to very interesting discussion on list placement in an environment where we can value each other's opinion. Game health is also a very nice word because, unlike the other one, it doesn't actually show any form of bias.

But people USE IT as a buzzword is the problem.

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This section is dysfunctional and ridiculous.

Well I mean it's more the flamers then the section itself.

 

Why is it that so many members of this forum can't hold an intelligent discussion?

Cause a lot of us are egotistical bastards, myself included.

 

Do you not seriously think that is an absolute funking joke? Can people not accept the opinions of others? Can people not take it when their arguments are countered? Do people not know what intelligent discussion and debate is?

 Yes, no, no, no.

 

The attitude of some of the people here is appalling and something needs to be done about the impact their attitude is having on the quality of the forum. The mods need to realize who and what is causing the problem. If someone makes a stupid, useless post that adds nothing to the discussion, it is their wrongdoing and that shouldn't be left alone. Equally, if a person gets angry or annoyed that someone has a different opinion to them and starts spouting sheet and flaming, the same applies. Sure, it's probably wrong for members to minimod and directly tell other members that their posts are useless, but if the mods don't do anything about it, then I don't see why they shouldn't take things into their own hands.

yes to all this and reporting exists for a reason.

At least it gets the mods' attention. That being said, we can't just leave it at "I'm locking this thread, it got out of hand".

Again reporting. and yeah.

We need to tackle the underlying issues we have on the forum.

You mean bastards being bastards? yeah. definitely. was this forum like this when what's their face was in charge? you know the one i'm talking about. the really strict one that everyone says was better?

 

We have separate sections for banlists and theory, as well as general Archetype discussion. Why? The forum isn't active enough for those sections to get enough attention separately. There are only a handful of posts a month in the Archetypes sub-section and not a lot goes on in Banlists + Theory outside of banlist season. If we merge these sections into one general Yu-Gi-Oh TCG/OCG discussion thread, it will encourage more decent threads to be posted. Also, we should have a sub-section for discussion of anime cards, cos I'm sick of seeing threads full of shitty new Blackwing cards that nobody would ever use if they were released and there's nothing to discuss about them. For fans of the anime, sure, each to their own, but not in a section designed for discussion of an actual competitive game.

sounds like a plan to me
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