goodfusion Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 "Relinquished" + "Thousand-Eyes Idol"As long as this card remains face-up on the field, other monsters cannot change their battle positions or attack. Select 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field, and equip it to this card (this effect can only be used once per turn, and you can only equip 1 monster at a time to this card). The ATK and DEF of this card become the same amounts as the monster equipped to this card. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle, the equipped monster is destroyed instead. I expect I am one of the only people who is looking forward to Norden coming to the TCG, although only because it means that Instant Fusion would be put on the limited list eventually (probably) and then this can get unbanned, and my Relinquished deck can be complete. Anyway, what are people's thoughts about this card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Instant fusion is not guaranteed to be limited, but if it gets the hit, I want this as an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Nostalgia incarnate in just 1 fusion. This thing is probably the ultimate Lockdown Fusion, preventing any others from attacking and thus destroying it before it can copy something. ...speaking of which, how the hell are you supposed to attack this thing? Towers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 So a question I have: Do this and Relinquished copy original ATK/DEF, or the current? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Shouldn't be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted August 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Instant fusion is not guaranteed to be limited, but if it gets the hit, I want this as an option. Yeah, I expect they would probably not hit it for a while (if they do), as they would want to sell the Tins as much as possible. Nostalgia incarnate in just 1 fusion. This thing is probably the ultimate Lockdown Fusion, preventing any others from attacking and thus destroying it before it can copy something. ...speaking of which, how the hell are you supposed to attack this thing? Towers? By chaining Multiply to its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Tbh, it probably would do almost nothing to the meta even with 3 IF if noden got banned. Nobody's gonna run around splashing instant fusion in tellarknights or something without noden just for the ability to randomly summon TER and I doubt a TER.dek would be more than a cool pet deck. Plus, there's a lot of removal for it that isnt battle destruction now from the extra deck and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Tbh, it probably would do almost nothing to the meta even with 3 IF if noden got banned. Nobody's gonna run around splashing instant fusion in tellarknights or something without noden just for the ability to randomly summon TER and I doubt a TER.dek would be more than a cool pet deck. Plus, there's a lot of removal for it that isnt battle destruction now from the extra deck and such.This is non-targeting, non-destruction removal. It is crazy strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yemachu Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Nostalgia incarnate in just 1 fusion. This thing is probably the ultimate Lockdown Fusion, preventing any others from attacking and thus destroying it before it can copy something. ...speaking of which, how the hell are you supposed to attack this thing? Towers?"Apoqliphort Towers" is unaffected by activated monster effects; since this card's attack locking effect is contiuous, "Apoqliphort Towers" won't be able to attck it either… There however is still the option of destroying it using card effects, or negating its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted August 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 This is non-targeting, non-destruction removal. It is crazy strong. It is targeting... it says "select 1 monster..." Although it would be pretty stupid still with both this and IF at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 "Apoqliphort Towers" is unaffected by activated monster effects; since this card's attack locking effect is contiuous, "Apoqliphort Towers" won't be able to attck it either… There however is still the option of destroying it using card effects, or negating its effect.Oh yeah. Towers isn't immune to continuous effects. I'm aware that card effect destruction and negation can be used against it. I just want to know why that last effect, the battle destruction prevention one, is even there if it already has an effect that prevents other cards from attacking or defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted August 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Oh yeah. Towers isn't immune to continuous effects. I'm aware that card effect destruction and negation can be used against it. I just want to know why that last effect, the battle destruction prevention one, is even there if it already has an effect that prevents other cards from attacking or defending. Because you might want to ram this into an opponent's monster so you can equip a new monster to this? Of course, that would be better if it also had the 'deals damage equal to the amount of battle damage you took' thing that Relinquished has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Oh yeah. Towers isn't immune to continuous effects. I'm aware that card effect destruction and negation can be used against it. I just want to know why that last effect, the battle destruction prevention one, is even there if it already has an effect that prevents other cards from attacking or defending. It can steal a thing, wait for the next turn and ram itself off something else to steal that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Because you might want to ram this into an opponent's monster so you can equip a new monster to this? Of course, that would be better if it also had the 'deals damage equal to the amount of battle damage you took' thing that Relinquished has. It can steal a thing, wait for the next turn and ram itself off something else to steal that.Ah. ...hm. I've never thought of that tactic. Thanks, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 This is non-targeting, non-destruction removal. It is crazy strong. Lava Golem is non-destruction and non-targeting removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Lava Golem is non-destruction and non-targeting removal.lava golem requires 2 on the opponent's field. And unless it is confirmed to target by Konami, select does not necessarily mean target. Tbh, this card desperately needs PSCT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 lava golem requires 2 on the opponent's field. And unless it is confirmed to target by Konami, select does not necessarily mean target. Tbh, this card desperately needs PSCTA lot of old cards like this one need PSCT. Badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 And unless it is confirmed to target by Konami, select does not necessarily mean target. Tbh, this card desperately needs PSCT What the funk are you smoking?This obviously targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 lava golem requires 2 on the opponent's field. And unless it is confirmed to target by Konami, select does not necessarily mean target. Tbh, this card desperately needs PSCT Santa Claws and Volcanic Queen can remove one monster without targeting or destroying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 lava golem requires 2 on the opponent's field. And unless it is confirmed to target by Konami, select does not necessarily mean target. Tbh, this card desperately needs PSCTI mean even comparing it to a lot of other "take a monster" cards it's guaranteed to be targeting and it even obviously looks like it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Santa Claws and Volcanic Queen can remove one monster without targeting or destroying.The difference is those give your opponent actual monsters, and Claws gives the opp a card. TER just says "f*** that" and takes it without you being able to do relatively anything about it (Monster negation aside ofc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 The difference is those give your opponent actual monsters, and Claws gives the opp a card. TER just says "f*** that" and takes it without you being able to do relatively anything about it (Monster negation aside ofc). You're still getting rid of something they want and unless you're being an idiot you have some kind of follow-up play for it. But the point was that being non-targeting and non-destruction removal doesn't make a card amazing by itself, especially since this does actually target anyway by the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Konami is too paranoid over This card because Call/Oasis/etc is suddenly Threatening Roar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Konami is too paranoid over This card because Call/Oasis/etc is suddenly Threatening Roar.I find this a lot funnier than I should. But yeah, since this doesn't have a Nomi clause, you can just Summon this thing from the Grave/banished pile/whatever and prevent any battles that this thing doesn't start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 So a question I have: Do this and Relinquished copy original ATK/DEF, or the current? It copies original stats, because the targeted monster becomes an equip card, so any modifications to its stats stop applying (since it's not a monster anymore). Instant Fusion is the main reason this is banned, because while the lockdown is incredibly stall-y, the issue is that Instant Fusion treats it as a Fusion Summon, so you can revive it with the plethora of revival we have around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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