Protodax Posted February 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 hmm. You raise some valid points. But would they compete with the current meta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 storm4th needs a limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protodax Posted February 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 storm4th needs a limitYou mean domain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 You mean domainNo, I don't mean the terrible SS lock that dies to MST and basically every other card. I mean the unfair, lingering, non-targetting, notn-destruction, quick-play, searchable, recyclable, removal at that invalidates any manner of investment in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 No, I don't mean the terrible SS lock that dies to MST and basically every other card. I mean the unfair, lingering, non-targetting, notn-destruction, quick-play, searchable, recyclable, removal at that invalidates any manner of investment in the gameby that logic we should ban the entire Kajiu archetype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 by that logic we should ban the entire Kajiu archetype.Are Kaiju Quickplay? Also they give the opponent field precense Storm4th basically invalidated soul exchange and yes, Kaiju aren't healthy either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Stormforth is also much better for card advantage than Kaijus, as it is basically 1-for-1 removal, compared to the -1 that a Kaiju is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman25 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Monarch player: "Let me know when you're entering MP1" fuuuuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Pandiety to 1 is unfair to monarch players, they can't lose that consistancy Idea is bad Storm is the only fair hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 I have an Idea.....ban I-*shot* ------- Limit Etele and move RotA up to 2. Quantam Monarchs get rekt while Kozmo take a hit, and RotA to 2 validates stuff like Spell Striker and Photon Thrasher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 I have an Idea.....ban I-*shot* ------- Limit Etele and move RotA up to 2. Quantam Monarchs get rekt while Kozmo take a hit, and RotA to 2 validates stuff like Spell Striker and Photon Thrasher.Quantums in Monarchs aren't the problem though >___________________> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's the hit that takes down both Monarchs AND Kozmo. It makes the most sense. RotA to 1 was honestly a pretty bad hit, it can come back to 2. Stormforth can also go to 1, if that is what you are arguing for -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's the hit that takes down both Monarchs AND Kozmo. It makes the most sense. RotA to 1 was honestly a pretty bad hit, it can come back to 2. Stormforth can also go to 1, if that is what you are arguing for -_-Kozmo need to get a DD limit, not a Tele limit. Tele doesn't end game, a 3k untargetting beatstick does Look at this way, Dark Destroyer is what makes Call of the Haunted so good, it's what make Teleport game with farm girl, it's the hardest thing for most decks to get over, and now it's suffered it's price drop too. No point hitting Tele with metaphys in TDIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 E-Tele is a silly hit, tbh. It's a strong card that adds consistency to decks like Kozmo and Quantums (and Metalphosis) sure; but it doesn't do anything makes any particularly huge shift in the game. It enables decks to work well under acceptable consistency, but it hasn't warranted any huge problems. I'm not sure what's going to get hit for Monarchs, tbh. There aren't many cards in that department that really define exactly what makes the deck so unfun powerful. There are some defining examples; notable ones being Idea and Pandeity. But the problem is, Idea is predictable af and very easy to disrupt, and hitting Pandeity basically kills the entire deck. As much as I dislike Monarchs; even I acknowledge that would be unfair for them. Beyond that, to me the problem cards in Monarch are Dominion and Majesty/Vanity. None of those cards promote healthy gamestates (love that loaded statement), removing any of them wouldn't kill the deck's ability, but at the same time it would at least make playing against Monarchs not complete cancer. Regarding Monarchs; I actually trust Konami to make a smarter hit on them than I could. Frickin' don't touch my Quantums, though. Kozmos; yeah, I definitely would say the problem is Dark Destroyer. Not many decks have access to cards like Magnus, 81, Number C9, or even UTL and suddenly Dark Destroyer becomes a huge chore to deal with. While with Monarchs it's a little more difficult to really nail down what exactly makes the deck broken; Kozmo's it's obviously Dark Destroyer. Having that card be worth $100 on the gray market doesn't really help its case for me, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 E-Tele is a silly hit, tbh. It's a strong card that adds consistency to decks like Kozmo and Quantums (and Metalphosis) sure; but it doesn't do anything makes any particularly huge shift in the game. It enables decks to work well under acceptable consistency, but it hasn't warranted any huge problems. I'm not sure what's going to get hit for Monarchs, tbh. There aren't many cards in that department that really define exactly what makes the deck so unfun powerful. There are some defining examples; notable ones being Idea and Pandeity. But the problem is, Idea is predictable af and very easy to disrupt, and hitting Pandeity basically kills the entire deck. As much as I dislike Monarchs; even I acknowledge that would be unfair for them. Beyond that, to me the problem cards in Monarch are Dominion and Majesty/Vanity. None of those cards promote healthy gamestates (love that loaded statement), removing any of them wouldn't kill the deck's ability, but at the same time it would at least make playing against Monarchs not complete cancer. Regarding Monarchs; I actually trust Konami to make a smarter hit on them than I could. Frickin' don't touch my Quantums, though. Kozmos; yeah, I definitely would say the problem is Dark Destroyer. Not many decks have access to cards like Magnus, 81, Number C9, or even UTL and suddenly Dark Destroyer becomes a huge chore to deal with. While with Monarchs it's a little more difficult to really nail down what exactly makes the deck broken; Kozmo's it's obviously Dark Destroyer. Having that card be worth $100 on the gray market doesn't really help its case for me, either...Interested why you don't favor a Storm4th limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Believe it or not, there are ways around Storm4th. I guess it might just be that I've had almost no issues playing around the card to want it limited; because I do happen to know that if a card is immune to Spell effects; it can't be tributed through Storm4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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