Yuuji Kazami Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Yeah, this thread I promise to be serious lol. I love this card. Everyone knows about the most legendary card in all of Yu-Gi-Oh, Chaos Emperor Dragon. Apparently, it's coming back with the newest errata that the player that activate this effect cannot activate any other card effects that turn, and that it only does damage to your opponent for each card of theirs that was sent. Thoughts? Anyone else want Chaos Emperor Dragon to come back, or is is it still just too damn powerful? NEW TEXTCannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) by banishing 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your Graveyard, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. During the turn you activate this card’s effect, you cannot activate other effects. (1) Once per turn: You can pay 1000 LP; send all cards on the field and in both players’ hands to the Graveyard, then inflict 300 damage to your opponent for each of your opponent’s cards sent by this effect. OLD TEXTCannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must first be Special Summoned (from your hand) by banishing 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your Graveyard. You can pay 1000 Life Points; send all cards in both players' hands and on the field to the Graveyard, then inflict 300 damage to your opponent for each card sent to the Graveyard by this effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Was errata'd in OCG a long time ago, so not exactly new news. ----- It's searchable off Melody, and it's still an on-demand 3k beatstick that is also a Gagaga Cowboy. Even with the errata, it's still ludicrously good, enough to keep it at 1 at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Was errata'd in OCG a long time ago, so not exactly new news. ----- It's searchable off Melody, and it's still an on-demand 3k beatstick that is also a Gagaga Cowboy. Even with the errata, it's still ludicrously good, enough to keep it at 1 at best.I know it is old news, but it's not TCG official yet. I'm assuming you're in favour of Chaos Emperor Dragon returning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Really clever errata they made to him, though i would have prefered not to make it a nomi.I still find odd the fact that they gave him a "soft" OPT to its effect, since it has the no other effects clause it wasnt necesssary, unless you negate its activation without destroying it, but only few cards negate activations a let the monster lives. Nevertheless the nuke it still powerful enough to have more than 1 copy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Li Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Not troublesome till D-Rulers comes back. But if D-Rulers return, this card has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 It was broken in Dark Matter Rulers and kinda amazing in Shaddolls post it's unban in OCG. Then the rulers and construct got banned. Card faded, went to 3 in November OCG. Sees moderate use in BA and Blue Eyes due to being an instant Harbinger w/ Awakening and being busted with Arkbrave. When Kozmo hit OCG, it'll hopefully go back down to 1, not a healthy card to have at 3 IMHO Edit: Oh, I thought it got confirmed for TCG, matter of time now seeing it got reprinted in the Millennium Pack I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 It's still a cheap 3K Lv. 8 dragon with the potential to do more. Shouldn't be at 3, but idk how I feel about 0/1, due to not experiencing it first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 I'd prefer it stay at 0 tbh.virtually costless field AND hand nukes that do effect damage is not something that sits right with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 I'd have preferred it to stay banned and untouched but it seems that is not what the banlist is anymore. Hardly weak now anyway. Just not the same. Presumably will go to 1 and we shall see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 I'd prefer it stay at 0 tbh.virtually costless field AND hand nukes that do effect damage is not something that sits right with me.Not costless, the cost is not being able to do anything else. The problem with it isn't so much the nuke as the typing on it. Chaos, Dark, lv8, Dragon, 3k/2.5k That's a good body. TCG unlike OCG has primal seed at 3 IIRC, CED is a hell of a lot easier to find than BLS, something will have to give. It's fine at one for sure though Hardly weak now anyway. Just not the same. Presumably will go to 1 and we shall see what happens.Got reprinted in OCG's millennium pack, and TCG gets the same set in May IIRC...so the July list maybe? It's still a cheap 3K Lv. 8 dragon with the potential to do more. Shouldn't be at 3, but idk how I feel about 0/1, due to not experiencing it first hand.100% agree. There was a point in the January format where Nekroz players would scoop if you got them down to 2k LP, cause Wyvern into this card was a simple step away. And DMD Rulers were honestly stupid with it. Three is a terrible idea, but as far as IK, BlueGrand decks mostly run it at 2 for arkbrave, not three. I think Konami will need to return both this and DMoC to 1 if Construct ever comes back or when Kozmo hit. Whichever is sooner. Bottom line, nothing can really abuse it atm. Brave-Envoy is good, but veiler is a thing, and BA making Harbinger at a +1 is annoying, but Dante's limit makes it not quite as good of a T1 play. When the relevant deck comes out however, I can see it going to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Not costless, the cost is not being able to do anything else. The problem with it isn't so much the nuke as the typing on it. Chaos, Dark, lv8, Dragon, 3k/2.5k That's a good body. TCG unlike OCG has primal seed at 3 IIRC, CED is a hell of a lot easier to find than BLS, something will have to give. It's fine at one for sure though Got reprinted in OCG's millennium pack, and TCG gets the same set in May IIRC...so the July list maybe? 100% agree. There was a point in the January format where Nekroz players would scoop if you got them down to 2k LP, cause Wyvern into this card was a simple step away. And DMD Rulers were honestly stupid with it. Three is a terrible idea, but as far as IK, BlueGrand decks mostly run it at 2 for arkbrave, not three. I think Konami will need to return both this and DMoC to 1 if Construct ever comes back or when Kozmo hit. Whichever is sooner. Bottom line, nothing can really abuse it atm. Brave-Envoy is good, but veiler is a thing, and BA making Harbinger at a +1 is annoying, but Dante's limit makes it not quite as good of a T1 play. When the relevant deck comes out however, I can see it going to 1I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Infernoids yet. Honestly, since there is usually a bit of Lightsworn splashed into the Deck, you can always Xyz/Synchro a Dark monster and make it become the dark banished requirement for this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Infernoids yet. Honestly, since there is usually a bit of Lightsworn splashed into the Deck, you can always Xyz/Synchro a Dark monster and make it become the dark banished requirement for this card. It sounds cool but you must realize that Infernoids lose to themselves 7/10 times and can't afford to run something like this dipping their consistency further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 I'd prefer it stay at 0 tbh.virtually costless field AND hand nukes that do effect damage is not something that sits right with me. Not being able to use any other effects that turn is "costless"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 It sounds cool but you must realize that Infernoids lose to themselves 7/10 times and can't afford to run something like this dipping their consistency further.Lol, each time I play a Infernoid Deck on DN, they never brick once. XD I think it depends a lot on the build tbh. Seriously, you can even splash cards like Allure of Darkness in as long as you set the S/T you need beforehand. As long as you get a Level 4 Lightsworn into the Graveyard, and activate Instant Fusion, you can easily get a Level 8 Synchro or a Rank 4 Xyz out. I really don't believe in cards like Void Seer in an Infernoid Deck. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 > Allure of Darkness> Infernoids are FIRE ...I don't get it. Explain? ------ Also, as for Level 8 Synchros and Rank 4s, Infernoids either want to make Omega, Scarlight, Gem-Knight Pearl, Castel, and Abyss Dweller; only Scarlight is DARK, and you only make him in reaction to the opponent (Kozmo ships, you have game via burn damage), not so he can go to Grave and fuel CED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 > Allure of Darkness> Infernoids are FIRE ...I don't get it. Explain? ------ Also, as for Level 8 Synchros and Rank 4s, Infernoids either want to make Omega, Scarlight, Gem-Knight Pearl, Castel, and Abyss Dweller; only Scarlight is DARK, and you only make him in reaction to the opponent (Kozmo ships, you have game via burn damage), not so he can go to Grave and fuel CED.It's to get an additional drop into the Graveyard. Because you can't banish a Dark Monster, you have to send all of your hand to the Graveyard. Of course, you could get flop draws and receive all spells instead. It really depends on the build, I've seen it done before on DN, so I thought i should mention it. Looked stupid to me too. But he dropped Onuncu with it. XD ...Dark Rebellion was forgotten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Basically everyone wants to know if This version of Chaos Emperor will be Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 It's to get an additional drop into the Graveyard. Because you can't banish a Dark Monster, you have to send all of your hand to the Graveyard. Of course, you could get flop draws and receive all spells instead. It really depends on the build, I've seen it done before on DN, so I thought i should mention it. Looked stupid to me too. But he dropped Onuncu with it. XD ...Dark Rebellion was forgotten? Dark Rebellion is bad in Infernoids because it counts towards the limit. Also, UTL took over that spot for those that did run it to out stuff. Forgot about that last part of Allure, sounds interesting, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 I really don't believe in cards like Void Seer in an Infernoid Deck. =/ Void Seer has been very helpful whenever I use it, so to each their own I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Not being able to use any other effects that turn is "costless"? Considering decks that will likely use it, don't have loads of Graveyard-esque effects, Yes. In addition to being an easy as funk to summon splashable 3k Beater, it has a cut-off point like Cowboy, only the cut-off point is much higher, late-game, its easily going to deal anywhere from 1500-3000 or even more damage on its own, and that's only if you don't swing with it first either directly or on a weaker monster, otherwise, the damage it'll do on its own can be even higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Considering decks that will likely use it, don't have loads of Graveyard-esque effects, Yes. In addition to being an easy as f*** to summon splashable 3k Beater, it has a cut-off point like Cowboy, only the cut-off point is much higher, late-game, its easily going to deal anywhere from 1500-3000 or even more damage on its own, and that's only if you don't swing with it first either directly or on a weaker monster, otherwise, the damage it'll do on its own can be even higher. That's all well and good, but how has it performed in the OCG, and if it carries over here, which relevant decks will it be the most reliable in? This is assuming Chaos doesn't take off again in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 That's all well and good, but how has it performed in the OCG, and if it carries over here, which relevant decks will it be the most reliable in? This is assuming Chaos doesn't take off again in the near future.But the thing is, everyone is getting scared of Chaos Emperor Dragon being released at 3 in the TCG with the new Errata. I'm not too sure on how it is doing in the OCG, but hasn't it been released at 3 copies in Asia? I think that Primal Seed is at 3 now apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Lol, each time I play a Infernoid Deck on DN, they never brick once. XD Cool. Anecdotal evidence doesn't have much weight howeverThat's all well and good, but how has it performed in the OCG, and if it carries over here, which relevant decks will it be the most reliable in? This is assuming Chaos doesn't take off again in the near future.Was in 2 meta decks at 1, vanished for 6 months after those died. Occasionally sees play in Blue Eyes and BABut the thing is, everyone is getting scared of Chaos Emperor Dragon being released at 3 in the TCG with the new Errata. I'm not too sure on how it is doing in the OCG, but hasn't it been released at 3 copies in Asia? I think that Primal Seed is at 3 now apparently.Only in TCG mind you, OCG only has 1 PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuji Kazami Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Cool. Anecdotal evidence doesn't have much weight however Was in 2 meta decks at 1, vanished for 6 months after those died. Occasionally sees play in Blue Eyes and BA Only in TCG mind you, OCG only has 1 PSKk, nvm about Primal Seed. But is Chaos Emperor Dragon is at 3 for OCG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Kk, nvm about Primal Seed. But is Chaos Emperor Dragon is at 3 for OCG?Yeah, since the October List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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