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UK EU Referendum [In or Out?]


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In or Out?  

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  1. 1. In or Out?

    • I am voting for the UK to stay in the EU
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    • I am voting for the UK to leave the EU
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    • I won't be voting
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No? I just know that the whole reason the Good Friday agreement exists is cuz the IRA was assassinating pols, and they had to broker a peace with terrorists.

 

http://education.niassembly.gov.uk/post_16/snapshots_of_devolution/gfa

 

Last time I checked, the Good Friday Agreement was between both Irish Governments and the UK. Yes, it was a result of The Troubles, but still an agreement between Governments.

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http://education.niassembly.gov.uk/post_16/snapshots_of_devolution/gfa

 

Last time I checked, the Good Friday Agreement was between both Irish Governments and the UK. Yes, it was a result of The Troubles, but still an agreement between Governments.

It was them cucking to the troubles. That's like Syria and America coming to an agreement because ISIS was burning fools. It capitulation. If the whole argument of a hard brexit hinges on, we'd violate the GFA and anger the IRA, that's not a great place to be for a pretty powerful nation 

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What about Northern Ireland? A Hard Brexit, from the looks of it, would funk up the Good Friday Agreement, wouldn't it?

I get your point, but i don't see why it would matter all that much. it's just returning the power to the local level instead of going through the EU. as far as any agreements go, they can readjust them as they go along. if they stop being corrupt/idiots, readjusting any affected deals as necessary shouldn't be too much of an issue. which is why i say theresa may is a complete fool. she has bungled even the most basic aspects of the deal regarding brexit, and managed to piss off both the leave and remain parties at the same time. given a week or two tops to think and study up, i could likely come up with better terms than anything she has placed within her deal in the past three years. her deal manages to quit the EU, regain zero powers tat would come with quitting the EU, surrender their status in the actual halls of the EU, and subject themselves to every piece of litigation that the EU decides to write out in the future. How anybody could call that a proper brexit is beyond me. her new iteration ust barely manages to remove the damages that her old deal plans would have placed britain under, and still remains such a net negative that still nobody is happy about it.

 

Brexit isn't the failure, theresa may is. brexit is merely depatiing from the EU, and renegotiating a contract, theresa may (and those in parliament) is the reason that brexit hasn't even been properly completed.

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I was just about to report this. TBH, I'm not surprised as the Attorney General put doubts on May's legal assurances. Hell, I don't know how much of an impact those had.

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I was just about to report this. TBH, I'm not surprised as the Attorney General put doubts on May's legal assurances. Hell, I don't know how much of an impact those had.

Said assurances that Theresa May had gotten from Brussels last night apparently weren't enough to convince MPs (like the DUP who all voted against) to back the deal.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/13/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-leaving-the-eu-with-no-deal-politics-live

 

MPs rule out no deal by 4 votes (312-308), however it isn't a binding amendment.

The Malthouse amendment loses by 164-374.

Damn, that was close. Well, tomorrow's vote may or may not force a No Deal to happen in spite of today's vote.

As for the Malthouse Amendment, can I get a tl;dr?

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Yeah, because technically, legally speaking, no deal is still on the table as JR-M stated that the vote doesn't affect the legislation of article 50.

Technically, doesn't the Spelman Amendment follow the premise that No Deal would be rejected in any scenario while May's kept the door open if a deal was signed? Seems to me that the amendment would suggest the UK going for an extension, which some in the EU Parliament don't want without a clear plan.

 

No deal is more popular than people want to admit

No, no it isn't. Businesses don't want it.

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Technically, doesn't the Spelman Amendment follow the premise that No Deal would be rejected in any scenario while May's kept the door open if a deal was signed? Seems to me that the amendment would suggest the UK going for an extension, which some in the EU Parliament don't want without a clear plan.

Yes, the Spelman amendment seeked to rule out no deal in any scenario, BUT it doesn't change the law as a bill to officially rule it out doesn't exist yet.

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Technically, doesn't the Spelman Amendment follow the premise that No Deal would be rejected in any scenario while May's kept the door open if a deal was signed? Seems to me that the amendment would suggest the UK going for an extension, which some in the EU Parliament don't want without a clear plan.

 

 

No, no it isn't. Businesses don't want it.

The people might, it only failed by 4 votes

 

That's the sorta margin you'd strong arm to make work in the US

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The majority against a second referendum is 100 votes bigger than the majority against May's deal.


Any MP who says that 'a second referendum is the only way forward now' because May's deal was defeated is being beyond hypocritical. 
 
Latest majority against May's deal: 149
Latest majority against 2nd Ref: 249
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The majority against a second referendum is 100 votes bigger than the majority against May's deal.

 

Any MP who says that 'a second referendum is the only way forward now' because May's deal was defeated is being beyond hypocritical.

 

Latest majority against May's deal: 149

Latest majority against 2nd Ref: 249

Timing was an issue for Labor, not the principle; hence, they abstained. Try again.

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