Terrorist Attack in Nice, France. Dozens dead.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Title says it all. I can't post any articles because they all contain extraordinarily graphic imagery. If you are curious you can look it up.

 

Other than that I have no words to say. None at all.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Cue Donald Trump saying all Muslims are evil? This world already has an issue with the Muslim = Terrorist, and this won't help at all. By the way, do we know who the terrorists were?

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Cue Donald Trump saying all Muslims are evil? This world already has an issue with the Muslim = Terrorist, and this won't help at all. By the way, do we know who the terrorists were?

From what I understand, not yet, but Isil is apparently claiming responsibility.

[Aerion Brightflame]

So facts thus far that I've seen from the BBC:

 

A lorry driver has struck a crowd during public celebrations Bastille Dead.

Thus far at least 30 are confirmed dead and 100 injured.

There has allegedly been some gunfire as well as the truck. 

The perp has been killed according to the Guardian

 

I've not seen any information about the perp other than him being dead yet, so that's all in doubt. Let's not jump to any conclusions about calling him an Islamic or IS affiliated terrorist till s*** is confirmed. Thoughts and prayers to victims ect ect, all the stuff that is usually said in these discussions. 

 

EDIT: There was apparently an acknowledgement of a terror threat by the French government for today, and the pattern of the attack matches some similar ones in Isreal in recent days. So, take it how you will. 

[Halubaris Maphotika]

So facts thus far that I've seen from the BBC:

 

A lorry driver has struck a crowd during public celebrations Bastille Dead.

Thus far at least 30 are confirmed dead and 100 injured.

There has allegedly been some gunfire as well as the truck. 

The perp has been killed according to the Guardian

 

I've not seen any information about the perp other than him being dead yet, so that's all in doubt. Let's not jump to any conclusions about calling him an Islamic or IS affiliated terrorist till s*** is confirmed. Thoughts and prayers to victims ect ect, all the stuff that is usually said in these discussions. 

You're implying anyone has made that accusation yet, of which nobody has.

[Aerion Brightflame]

You're implying anyone has made that accusation yet, of which nobody has.

 

I'm being pre-emptive so I don't have to make this point later. Because usually I have to. 

 

I mean nothing by it, just trying to reinforce the idea that nothing's confirmed till it's confirmed and that jumping to conclusions leads down a bad path. 

[mido9]

Days since last terrorist attack:

 

0000

[Slinky]

73 confirmed dead at this time.

Eiffel Tower is supposedly on fire as well. Fire is not linked to the attack, and was related to fireworks.

[Tentacruel]

You know, as much as paranoia and racism are problems, it might be best to deal with the immediate problem of 73 funking people being dead before crying about the poor peaceful Muslims who will be stereotyped because of this. 

[Progenitor]

The stupid part is we know where they are. If the powers of this world actually wanted to put their big boy pants on we could end this issue in a matter of days, and take the social and ethical reprocussions that come with said action after the fact. Then sheet like this wouldn't happen.

 

The reason these people do this is because they are CONFINDENT that we will do NOTHING to stop them, BECAUSE of the social implications that go along with it. By arguing that side of the argument, SJWs are inadvertenly supporting terrorist groups. It's all incredibly stupid.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Or I said it because I dislike misinformation because it leads to moronic decisions at times when you need a level head. And the aftermath of a tragedy is when a level head is needed most to stop impulsive decisions that just lead to more sheet down the line. 

 

New developments:

The latest figure is closer to 73. 

The truck went roughly 2km through a crowd before it was stopped. 

Apparently the driver was firing shots with a handgun. 

Oh and the truck was filled to the brink with guns and grenades. 

 

Still no word on any affiliations to a terrorist group or if he was acting alone or not. An investigation is beginning into. 

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

 I can't post any articles because they all contain extraordinarily graphic imagery. 

 

Et tu, Death Adder? 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Valar Morghulis

Who cares if it was an Islamic attack. People are dead regardless of who did it.

By now, you guys should honestly stop reacting to this kinda information. Nothing will change cause nobody wants to accept the unpleasantness that go with the change

 

All Men Must die

 

[Βyakuya]

Why can't France ever get a break? This is almost as horrifying as the last incident. And before you know it, ISIS/Daesh will come out of nowhere, claim the blame and praise and suddenly the world irrationally starts to hate Muslims even more. I can't handle this no more.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

irrationally

Like Flame said, we don't know if this was Daesh based, but do elaborate on how it would be irrational if Daesh WAS indeed behind it.

 

It's not hate at all, it's being cautious. 

 

It's undeniable that Daesh's rhetoric is very seductive to people (dunno how many times I have to point this out, but you do realize the first Paris attack's cuz went from being basically a crazy sorority girl to a crazy suicide bomber in mere months of exposure to the Islamic teachings?)

 

It's not irrational to give further scrutiny. Which should be done regardless of whether Daesh did this particular attack or not

[Βyakuya]

Like Flame said, we don't know if this was Daesh based, but do elaborate on how it would be irrational if Daesh WAS indeed behind it.

 

It's not hate at all, it's being cautious. 

 

It's undeniable that Daesh's rhetoric is very seductive to people (dunno how many times I have to point this out, but you do realize the first Paris attack's cuz went from being basically a crazy sorority girl to a crazy suicide bomber in mere months of exposure to the Islamic teachings?)

 

It's not irrational to give further scrutiny. Which should be done regardless of whether Daesh did this particular attack or not

 

What I meant was that despite the fact that there has been no clear motive or the origins of the attackers, there's still a lot of emotional strain left over. France has been bombarded with a lot of recent terrorist attacks that it's undeniable that there are some people having animosity towards the likelihood of those responsible for the past few terrorist incidents. But I agree, there's much more caution and fear than irrational hatred, yet you cannot deny that France will soon have a gradual shift of attitude towards culprits of violent terrorist actions.

[Delibirb]

Wonder if the attacker(s) would have got themselves on a watchlist, or better yet, investigated for all those guns, if such a system existed.

 

OT: My jaw dropped when my mom told me. 73+ and even more injuries is nutty as it is, but the sheer brutality of the medium of attack. Unbelievable.

[ihop]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36791666

 

whoops

 

Really horrible tragedy though, and as kano mentioned it's such a brutal form of carrying it out. It looks more like the workings of one nutter to me but it's pretty sad that something like this could happen.

[Saiba Aisu]

The driver was apparently Franco-Tunisian, according to documentation found within the car. An investigation is ongoing. As someone that is moving to France in two months and has many friends there, this is so painful.

[Resident Fascist]

So when are the governments of the world actually going to do something? While we're sitting here committing only to random airstrikes on things that don't even matter, innocent people are getting killed. When's enough enough? 

[vla1ne]

So when are the governments of the world actually going to do something? While we're sitting here committing only to random airstrikes on things that don't even matter, innocent people are getting killed. When's enough enough? 

it'll never be enough. what it would take to solve the problem is more than the public's willing to put up with. if the government got serious, and stopped just wasting time it would take a week at most to fix or stunt the issue. but that would require us to fight without the constraints of morality that we have placed upon ourselves. cal out drone strikes all you like, but if america really went balls deep, the middle east would look more like a picture of hell than it does already.

 

it's all well and good to say it was one loon with a truck full of weapons, but where did he get the funds for the weapons? where'd he get the truck? and if the answer is he did it all himself, then how hard would it be for ISIS a group of organized loons to get the same amount of sheet, if not more? imagine 3 or 4 people emulating this, with bombs strapped to themselves. that's what you can look forward to if ISIS learns anything from this.

 

[spoiler=on another note] are trucks gonna be outlawed with guns soon? clearly they kill more people in a shorter span of time than an automatic weapon, so it would only make sense to ban them right?

 

[Aerion Brightflame]

The only way this issue gets solved with force is through genocide, because that is the only way to stop an ideology with force, you wipe out every individual whose like to believe in it. Which isn't a step any nation would stoop to or should stoop to to eliminate this problem. 

 

 

So you know if you the nations of the world to unite and utterly destroy an entire people, you are welcome to suggest it. Otherwise the problem is battling the ability of IS or whatever to recruit new people so challenging the extremism, which takes time and a lack of force. 

[vla1ne]

that's why i said we don't have the balls to do it. i'm not advocating genocide, just stating that the fastest, and most effective method, is something that nobody would want to carry the burden of. ISIS is essentially tied to the region (EDIT: and religion) itself. unless we break the region down completely, this fight's gonna be at least another decade in the making. it's essentially shadow boxing at this point, leaving the region entirely would be the other method of solving the problem, but we won't do that either, so we're stuck at the most ineffective solution for the time being.

[Resident Fascist]

that's why i said we don't have the balls to do it. i'm not advocating genocide, just stating that the fastest, and most effective method, is something that nobody would want to carry the burden of. ISIS is essentially tied to the region itself. unless we break the region down completely, this fight's gonna be at least another decade in the making. it's essentially shadow boxing at this point, leaving the region entirely would be the other method of solving the problem, but we won't do that either, so we're stuck at the most ineffective solution for the time being.

 

I can't help but think leaving the region wouldn't work at this point. They're killing anyone who doesn't explictly and immediately agree to their outright insane ideology. Turkey is a Muslim country and it was attacked recently. The problem is somewhat tied to the way Islam is practiced. Particularly Wahhabism, which is a Saudi Arabia thing. Reminder that Saudi Arabia does a lot of the things the terrorist groups do. Not as extreme in several cases, but the two are eerily close. Also a slight reminder that countries like the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Yemen and Saudi Arabia, who have stable and functioning governments to one way or another, have basically done nothing. All of them outright refused to take in refugees. Saudi Arabia did create a "anti-terrorism" coalition, but considering they left Iran out due to tensions over how Iran practices the same religion, and the fact Saudi Arabia thinks everything that's not Sunni Muslim is a terrorist, it's basically blowing hot air.

[Aerion Brightflame]

You have to do more than just wipe out ISIS though. Since IS is just one example - A particularly effective example - of Islamic fundamentalism. When ISIS dies, some other group will rush to take there place, with the example of IS to follow, and maybe they'll be better or worse at the job, but they'll still exist. And they'll be even more pissed at the West for slaughtering hundreds of thousands (If not millions) of there fellows, so they'll target us even more than we are currently targeted. So we'll have to wipe those other likely groups out as well. And then what about the people sympathetic to those causes who will probably be driven over the edge having watched the faceless, emotionless West destroy there families, there friends families, there peoples homes. All that bloodshed might drive them to seek vengeance and be radicalised against us? 

 

It's just a stupid idea to try and drive out the radicalised Islamic nations by force. Blood will beget blood, and just make them more likely to attack us instead of other Muslims. Since we will just add to the pile of the dead - Add to the Hundreds of Thousands of people we've already killed in that region of the world because of maybe 1000 people who died in our part of the world. 

 

It's why I hate the argument "We need to make them suffer for what they've done to us" by almost every conceivable metric we have made them suffer time and time and time again.