Ngl winter's post is 4 days old and it hasn't been responded to, and that's not really in the team's favor.
I understand not wanting to spark a fight, but when there are no other posts, it just seems like there should be SOME form of correspondence or attempt to assuage concerns.
Especially considering how he does bring up points directly in regards to this thread's sister topic.
A thread about transparency and communication between the team and the members of the site began with someone being ignored for days, until I noticed. "Undesirable" or not, that's not building bridges.
that said, if a fucking fight or mob mentality begins happening on either side I will let you have it
I honestly don't/didn't know how to respond to winter's post. I didn't get my shit done in a timely manner. Saying anything further would either exacerbate problems we already have going on surrounding my promotion or spark a fight, so... I guess all i can do is apologize and shrug? I'm not going to not do my job, that much is for certain. Its just kind of hard to come up with things that are satisfactory to the community.
Oh, so THAT'S why I thought this situation had died down days ago. ...because it literally stopped being discussed days ago.
My apologies to Winter for your post being overlooked. (Why is this thread stickied, and therefore, very hard to notice? That might explain the lack of other posts in here)
I will point out that Giga making his post ~ Zai's promotion in the timeline is nothing more than a very tragic coincidence. You can blame me for it.
As for "where is the Debates/TCG Modship discussion ever?" question...it was only discussed internally, because we aren't actively looking for new moderators, but rather, determining who, among the ALREADY ACTIVE Moderators can potentially fill the position or assist the primary moderators. When many of our mods either resigned or got trimmed, we received several warnings from those resigning mods to not make the same mistake as before and promptly try to find replacements, and instead work on having the team as it stands cover perceived gaps, until it can be determined whether additional bodies is for the better.
I think its for the better that things were left to sit for a couple of days. Hopefully now we can all have a more rational, less mob-ey discussion. Can confirm that the timing of Evilfusion's promotion of me was just a very unfortunate coincidence, so please don't give the guy any flak over it regarding misgivings you guys may have about me doing my job.
Anyway, yes, my filling in in TCG and Debates is only a temporary thing. Just an extra bit of oversight, really. Don't see it as me becoming the moderator of either section so much as it me just helping out Dad and Evilfusion when they're busy.
Any concern will be spun as a witch-hunt, so I'll keep it brief here and expand in PM, or here w/ your permission later on.
Having frequented both those sections fairly often, TCG/Debates, I'm not entirely sure what merits a new mod being needed in either. Would like elaboration on why this was needed?
As much as I dislike a sprawling bureaucracy with multiple mods doing next to nothing (the old Order), it's equally dangerous, in my eyes, for you all to embrace a foot-in-the-door-expansionist model.
You guys do NOT remove mods easily. ie. Roxas, .Rai, LZ, or the "Zai Trail period" deal.
Adding additional powers to the mods w/ little to no public discourse is only going to deepen the swamp.
Zai is mod now- for better or worse- that seems to be the choice you have passed down to us.
Don't you think, at least for the sake of PR, that there should be an external discussion about the expansion of his powers?
I'm a little disappointed how little PR is actually went on after Bree's departure & hope you guys will endeavor to at least now right this ship.
What exactly were the Zai's qualifications for TCG/OCG & Debate mods? Is he a prolific YGO player? Does he know the community in Debates? How much has he interacted with either? I trust you guys must have good answers for both those questions (yes & intimately) given that y'all didn't feel the need alert the public about changes to the public relations moderator until the 13th hour.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice......???
I hope the Irony here isn't running too thick
Well, at least -I- won't spin it as a witch-hunt. *pause* Zai is male. It's a warlock-hunt. *shot*
I can't speak for debates. For TCG, it's only being suggested because I'm often busy during a sizeable chunk of the day on the days I work, and some of the now-resigned mods (Koko, Black, etc) used to watch the section in my absence due to frequenting it themselves, but I don't believe we have any current team members doing so. The idea was first suggested in the wake of the Babymon topics.
Is it a dire need? No.
You have a point with the dangers of both methods. We are still in the transition period of "Okay, we're reduced to X mods...what is everyone's role...and let's randomly throw out names for potential moderator additions because...why the fuck not?" (That's my interpretation, this is not what is literally happening...but it's not an exaggeration, either...).
We...admittedly like Zai's potential as a moderator. No, that's like...literally the only justification I've got at the moment as to why I'm not acknowledging your totally legit "failed as PR" point. But yes, before throwing mods to cover other sections, it should probably be brought up with the public, not for the sake of "PR", but because it could help avert haphazardly assigning mods to sections they don't specialize in.
I...don't think Zai is actually being considered as helping to cover TCG. I don't even recall if he ever goes in that section. I think he was being considered as either RP or helping with Debates.
Evilfusion's kind of busy, so when he isn't around I volunteered to keep an eye on TCG. I play ygo irl and i keep up with the game, so I know enough to understand what's being discussed and police the place until an actual moderator is promoted to better run it (if one is needed). Again, not actually being the section's mod so much as I am just lending other team members a hand. Same in debates, since Dad has coursework and I'm fairly knowledgeable when it comes to politics and philosophy, so i'm lending a hand. As far as I'm aware that was the consensus. If its changed, so be it.
As for us throwing random names out, that's... kiiiiind of what's happening? We're figuring shit out, more or less.
TCG always feels like a section that's like, chill most of the time unti occasions when it explodes especially lately with the dip in activity there.
However...most of the time issues and incidents erupting on TCG are really because of minor issues that didn't get handled in time before it explodes because YCM.
Iunno, from the time of Klav to the pot of greed thread of now, it's always like this. So at the very least in my opinion, even if you guys don't elect a new moderator for TCG, I believe the section still deserve more attention than it gets now. I mean yes most of the time it doesn't need moderation unlike General or Debates or CC, but with how the relative neglect was the reasoning behind most issues that passed the mod's attention, it's definitely something to consider.
Something to this effect. Just someone else who can pay attention to TCG when the need arises.
1. Get someone, anyone to watch over TCG and let the members know that the section is watched.
2. Constant updates on the plans posted on the News thread.
3. Show progress on it. Yes I know I'm being hypocritical about this since the rules are stalled because of me, but hearing constant updates with progress is definitely going to show that yes, the mod team is actually reading the topics in the Moderator Forum and discussing things instead of seeing them as irrelevant to their interest for whatever reasons.
4. Generally faster decision making, please. Maybe not on the mod stuffs yet, but sooner or later you really going to need to decide on whether the team really need a new member or not. And on other things too. Am not really sure about how incidents or issues are dealt with now, but hopefully it doesn't involve days-long discussions while ignoring to strike while the iron's hot regarding punishments. Overly delayed light punishments are laughably ineffective.
5. More involvement in the community at wide, perhaps even to the super mods. Yes, I get that Super Mods are meant more to supervise and regulate the moderators on the team in a way and is generally less needed to be active, but having good perception on what is happening on the community would perhaps make it more reassuring for the team and the memberbase alike.
6. Mods should generally have more autonomy imo. I agree on the notion that the moderator team is a team for a reason and big decisions should be done with everyone discussing it, but right now (although things might have changed lately) I believe that mods should be allowed for more autonomy in doing their job. I mean, by accepting a mod on the team, that already means that you guys had trusted said mod to do their job.
If unfair punishment would be a worry, then a fix in the rulebook would do things to deal with that issue.
Kinda more of a stream of consciousness list than anything concrete atm, just feeling like saying some things that I wanted to say.
Kinda of multitasking at the moment so i can't really elaborate, but all of the above I agree with, more or less.