Maxx "C"

[Zauls]

 

Joshua Schmidt didn't play this in his YCS winning  60-card Paleozic build because with 60 cards you only have a 16.1% chance of opening it, which makes it not worthwhile. By that logic, with 1 Maxx "C" there is only a 12.5% chance of opening it even in a 40 card deck, so it's not even worth playing at all any more. Do you agree with this and will you still be playing Maxx "C" next format?

[~British Soul~]

Well with it @1, you have to think about when is the best time to use it now.

[Blake]

When we get a link 2 for TGU to go into, it's searchable.

 

But that's 6+ months away.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Depending on how easily your deck can trigger Sangan/Witch, it's at multiples.

 

ie. something like Metalphosis should run it. Zoos might be able to do Barrage-Sangan plays.

 

But yeah, you actually have to think when to use it now. Not a bad thing, but I'd personally want it to stay at multiples to act as a soft counter to overzelous link plays.

 

One of my Favorite OCG plays is still Gofu + TGU into Omega/Gaia

 

Just fun stuff

When we get a link 2 for TGU to go into, it's searchable.

But that's 6+ months away.

Or just something like Barrage/Metalphosis

[Blake]

Depending on how easily your deck can trigger Sangan/Witch, it's at multiples.

 

ie. something like Metalphosis should run it. Zoos might be able to do Barrage-Sangan plays.

 

But yeah, you actually have to think when to use it now. Not a bad thing, but I'd personally want it to stay at multiples to act as a soft counter to overzelous link plays.

 

Or just something like Barrage/Metalphosis

Eh

 

That's a pretty sheet usage with barrage, and it's just kinda memey with metalfoe

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Eh

 

That's a pretty sheet usage with barrage, and it's just kinda memey with metalfoe

If you don't need Max, go into Invoker. In TCG you guys still have Terror, so the play isn't even bad. 

[Darj]

I was pondering on the implications of only 1 Maxx "C", and I'm no expert on numbers, statistics and whatnot, but makes sense to me that one of the strengths of having Maxx "C" in multiples is that using one could led you to drawing into another, consequently enhancing, or rather extending, the suppression on your opponent's Special Summoning plays. But with no longer other copies to draw into in TCG, in that sense its impact is more diminished than it initially looks like.

 

To address the question about using it, personally I have never been a fan of it, and normally I sided it, but once it was announced that it will be at 1, my go-to thought was to run it since with only 1 copy available it doesn't take much Deck space; however, after noticing the above I'm having second thoughts now.

 

And regarding searchability, you can grab it with Retaliating "C" too if you really wanted to get Maxx "C" earlier, but I don't think the issue is more about opening it, but about the lack of extra copies available to draw into and further suppress the opponent with. I mean, at least from my experience, 1 turn of Maxx C is somewhat manageable, allowing you at least establish a decent board without giving the opponent too many draws, but 2+ (when it was at 3) turns of Maxx C, and especially if they were consecutive, was practically a game over sometimes.

[Snatch Steal]

I feel like Konami is overestimating the effect of Links, potentially thinking they will turn the game back to 2003 or something (hyperbole). You can still OTK with 2 cards under Link conditions, it's just a different way to get there. I wish we still had Maxx C at 2 because that helped us threaten people who tried to Special Summon a lot. Now if your opponent has no back row, there's no fear of going for unbreakable boards.

 

I'm glad we at least have Effect veiler and Ghost Ogre though

[Kaiji]

Those percentages don't really hold unless you have something to compare it to; what you are describing is the percentage of seeing at least 1 of any particular 2-ofs in your deck (must check if it's going 1st or 2nd). As it is you are arbitrarily assigning the label "Maxx C" to that percentage and excluding all other events (the other 2-ofs) that this percentage applies to

 

So there's something missing like whether the card has a real logistical issue that would favorcutting it (iirc most likely its DEMISE paleo or into the void). Otherwise make sure to cut all your other 2-ofs because you only see them 16.1% of the time.

 

 

Re: Maxx now. 1-ofs, 2-of, 3-ofs dont determine how powerful Maxx "C" is. They only determine how often you see it. The card effect remains the same and you can see its significantly more powerful than most cards we have available, not to mention its niche status as 1 of the few cards that interact with opponent going second. We also have Lyca and predaplant incoming and ghost ash to complement it (do note that Ghost Ash will negate it more often but imo better that than having to deal with it on the next turn) so its looking like a huge return for just 1 card slot.

[Darj]

That makes sense to me.

Also, at the very least it will function as a deck thinner even against non-spammy decks, so no harm in playing the single copy allowed in TCG.

[~~~~]

I honestly feel a bit disappointed with Joshua for this. Getting that crucial advantage 16.1% of the time is nothing to scoff at, and since it's a Level 2 monster, it's less of a dead draw in 'zoics than in other decks.

[Expelsword]

My style is somewhat backwards.

I try to maximize copies, so when a card is Limited, it's easier for me to find the space to play as many as I can.

I'll definitely keep it in.

[Zauls]

Just sayin' guys I think Schmidt's logic is faulty also. You could also argue that in a Grass deck you want to play stuff for the Graveyard, not for the hand, but he said he hardly ever resolved Grass anyway. Still, he just won a YCS and has won/topped many big events, so he's obviously way better at yugioh than any of us. All I know is I'll still be playing Maxx "C". People still play Raigeki even though they'll only see it 12.5% of the time, because it's better than seeing it 0% of the time.

[Kaiji]

I mean do you actually believe for a second that he gave people the exact reason and not some automatic response that would satisfy people who aren't familiar with percentages.

 

also funk's sake, don't cite another meme percentage (Raigeki) that applies the same logic that you denounced as faulty

[~~~~]

I mean do you actually believe for a second that he gave people the exact reason

Well yes. Call me naive, but I take people's words at face value. Now that you bring it up, there could be some unspoken reason as to why he wasn't running Maxx C, but that is obviously beyond me to try and guess. I think he did well despite not running Maxx C, not because.