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Depends, if you're giving them out 5 at a time for posting a picture of poop, maybe the problem isn't with me

 
Anyone can disagree with how many warning points they receive for a given offense, but it doesn't change that they warranted warning points in the first place. Saying that the problem isn't with you is projecting the blame onto the moderation team. It's entirely possible for the moderator to be wrong for how many points they gave and for the user to be still wrong for what they had posted. It's not a case of "This person was really in the wrong, therefore the problem couldn't possibly be with me." As much as I hate "Both sides are wrong" as an excuse, something along those lines needs to be considered.
 
I'm not a mod anymore. The source of your problems is gone, yet you keep fighting as if I'm still causing the problems. I would prefer it if you were not still using me as your scapegoat.
 

UH WHAT?

It's not about smart, it's about personal feelings and agendas


What agenda? Is there one that's even left now? Who is currently acting on this agenda? If they exist, what efforts are they making?


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Yeah, with Roxas off the team, I'm surprised this is even an issue.  I've been fair in all of my punishments, and as far as I know, no one has any "vendettas".  There's no vengeance plans in place.  Just a bunch of whining.  So can we actually move the discussion forwards instead of pretending to be proactive and hindering the conversation?


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Bigger problem was with the abuse case where Nai said buildup, Evil and Night were like WTF, why does this merit WPs, and Aix said I got off easy. You guys operate like a clownshow



You and me didn't alway have a problem. It develops. You need to design your laws with a bit of forsight

I'm a history major. I actually suck at math like, hardcore.

And I'm also pretty certain that no one remaining on the site staff has any agendas to push or vendettas to levy out. And even if they do,none of them would let that get in the way of their jobs. Trust me on that one.

Set a period (like 2 weeks) as the crit value.

Think of it like a parabola intersecting a line. At one pt, the growth of the parabola can't be matched by the growth of the linear function. Area in between those curves would be the redemption area ( you can integrate to set a value, say 1 month )

Once someone is out of the redemption area, they cannot get back to a time of zero. Pretty simple math really. You use it it for critical pts for nuclear meltdowns

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White, all I'm seeing from you is an attempt to degrade this thread to the point that it becomes nothing more than that pile of poop in Misc you so seem to love talking about. Stop it. It's beyond aggravating. Your antagonization seems like you're purposely trying to make them lose that foresight.

 

Anyhoo, I am admittedly in agreeance with the concept of temporary bans. Areas outside of the RP section have become far too acidic for my liking and I would like to be able to get out of it and participate on the rest of the site every once in a while.



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Bigger problem was with the abuse case where Nai said buildup, Evil and Night were like WTF, why does this merit WPs, and Aix said I got off easy. You guys operate like a clownshow



You and me didn't alway have a problem. It develops. You need to design your laws with a bit of forsight

Set a period (like 2 weeks) as the crit value.

Think of it like a parabola intersecting a line. At one pt, the growth of the parabola can't be matched by the growth of the linear function. Area in between those curves would be the redemption area ( you can integrate to set a value, say 1 month )

I'm not writing a formula or drawing a graph for how to set disciplinary actions. I'd much rather trust my coworkers' judgement and give us a simple guideline to follow.


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Bigger problem was with the abuse case where Nai said buildup, Evil and Night were like WTF, why does this merit WPs, and Aix said I got off easy. You guys operate like a clownshow



You and me didn't alway have a problem. It develops. You need to design your laws with a bit of forsight

 

I don't have any laws.  I'm not on you and you alone.  You annoy me, sure, but you're not some lone wolf or sole victim.  I punish everyone who deserves it when they deserve it.  Period.  No one is immune.  Not Cow, not (), not Hina, and certainly not you.  You view them as laws because they force you to stop freely acting like everything you do is okay.

 

So just stop.  It's a simple concept.


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I'm not writing a formula or drawing a graph for how to set disciplinary actions. I'd much rather trust my coworkers' judgement and give us a simple guideline to follow.


Why do you want wiggle room when you already have such for warning pt hand outs. It's not hard to have an objective yet progressive way to implement Giga's proposal.

I don't have any laws.  I'm not on you and you alone.  You annoy me, sure, but you're not some lone wolf or sole victim.  I punish everyone who deserves it when they deserve it.  Period.  No one is immune.  Not Cow, not (), not Hina, and certainly not you.  You view them as laws because they force you to stop freely acting like everything you do is okay.
 
So just stop.  It's a simple concept.


And you've been wrong before. Like the "faggot" incident. You give low denomination pts. Not everyone is like that now, and you certainly cannot predict the future. We've had enough abusive mods in the past to rule out one In the future

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Why do you want wiggle room when you already have such for warning pt hand outs. It's not hard to have an objective yet progressive way to implement Giga's proposal.

Because every person and most every offense is different. Actions have context and I'd rather not be forced to hand out a punishment that may not be appropriate based on an arbitrary guideline. Vol Vrac is new but I'd say he's said much more offensive things than others have received warning points for, as an example.


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Because every person and most every offense is different. Actions have context and I'd rather not be forced to hand out a punishment that may not be appropriate based on an arbitrary guideline. Vol Vrac is new but I'd say he's said much more offensive things than others have received warning points for, as an example.


This doesn't have anything to do with Warning points. It has to do with the penalty you get for the temporary ban and the time the ban lasts for.


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Haven't gotten an "abusive behavior" warning in many months. Some might say that means I've "learnt" my "lesson"

Others have called for a kangaroo court ban for me as recent as this week. Your standards are not firm is the problem

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Why do you want wiggle room when you already have such for warning pt hand outs. It's not hard to have an objective yet progressive way to implement Giga's proposal.

And you've been wrong before. Like the "faggot" incident. You give low denomination pts. Not everyone is like that now, and you certainly cannot predict the future. We've had enough abusive mods in the past to rule out one In the future

 

Except I slowly, calmly, and maturely handled my faults.  The points were reverted, and the appropriate authorities and parties involved--contacted by me--clarified everything.  I'm willing to own up to my mistakes and fix them.  You haven't shown that.


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White, all I'm seeing from you is an attempt to degrade this thread to the point that it becomes nothing more than that pile of poop in Misc you so seem to love talking about. Stop it. It's beyond aggravating. Your antagonization seems like you're purposely trying to make them lose that foresight.
 
Anyhoo, I am admittedly in agreeance with the concept of temporary bans. Areas outside of the RP section have become far too acidic for my liking and I would like to be able to get out of it and participate on the rest of the site every once in a while.


You missed the point. I got more points for a necrobump than a poop pic in a troll Misc topic than what a mod thought was "abusive behavior"

The point is the mod team was in disarray and had/has no coordination. Not the poop lol

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This doesn't have anything to do with Warning points. It has to do with the penalty you get for the temporary ban and the time the ban lasts for.

You missed what I was getting at. What I meant by bringing up warning points was that, if I'm forced to scale punishments to the number of times a person has offended, rather than, say, what exactly was done and why, then my example (Vol Vrac) would simply be getting warning points, instead of what is, in my opinion, temp ban worthy offenses.

 

But, we're getting grossly off-topic here. I think that the general consensus is that yes, the staff should make more frequent uses of temp bans, yes? And if so, I'll make sure we have something pertaining to that in the new draft of the site rules.


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I'm in favor of more frequent use of temp bans. I'm against the idea that points or ban time or whatever should be rolled back as you keep good behavior. This is my contribution to this discussion.


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You're forced to scale punishments and follow the books becuase you're not infallible? And users you dislike shouldn't have to suffer punishments becuase of your imperfections and baises?

It doesn't matter what you think Vols intentions are. Or atleast it shouldn't in a just system. You have to prove motive, not assume it

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You're forced to scale punishments and follow the books becuase you're not infallible? And users you dislike shouldn't have to suffer punishments becuase of your imperfections and baises?

 

THIS is nothing but trying to piss people off. Even if it's in text, I can hear every word of this in a sneer. Either stop the antagonization or GTFO of the thread.

I know I'm not a mod, but this is ticking me off.



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THIS is nothing but trying to piss people off. Even if it's in text, I can hear every word of this in a sneer. Either stop the antagonization or GTFO of the thread.
I know I'm not a mod, but this is ticking me off.

No, it means Zai and the mods can't read minds and that punishment atleast should be objective if the warnings aren't.

They can't sense motive. And they shouldn't act on what they don't know.



Srs question to mods: have you already made up your minds on what to do? Cause might as well cut the chase if so

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THIS is nothing but trying to piss people off. Even if it's in text, I can hear every word of this in a sneer. Either stop the antagonization or GTFO of the thread.

I know I'm not a mod, but this is ticking me off.

I'd rather you not start a fight here, Tes. Nipping the flaming in the bud before it starts. This is everyone's warning, or we just might have to have a live-fire test of these temp bans ;)


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Let me put it this way.
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Posting porn is banned?

Your job is to deal out punishments on if they did it. It's not your job to give them lesser or greater punishments than set forth based on why you think they did it

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No, it means Zai and the mods can't read minds and that punishment atleast should be objective if the warnings aren't.

They can't sense motive. And they shouldn't act on what they don't know.

 

This, I actually agree on, though it would hep to attempt to make your words in a way that does not seem to easily lead itself to such negative mentality.

 

I'd rather you not start a fight here, Tes. Nipping the flaming in the bud before it starts. This is everyone's warning, or we just might have to have a live-fire test of these temp bans ;)

 

This thread has already risen my blood pressure higher than I would like it to be, so I'm just gonna fly outta this.



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No, it means Zai and the mods can't read minds and that punishment atleast should be objective if the warnings aren't.

They can't sense motive. And they shouldn't act on what they don't know.



Srs question to mods: have you already made up your minds on what to do? Cause might as well cut the chase if so

 

As of now, temporary bans will be used more frequently (not unjustified and handed out willy nilly).  I'm going to bring it up for further discussion so we can come to an agreement.  After which time, we'll make a statement regarding temp bans and how they will be handled.  Until then, I'm locking this due to derailing and what really did just become a shitfest and personal gripe.

 

I'll unlock the thread for further discussion after we've decided how to handle temp bans as a whole.


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