Jump to content

Photo

[MTG] Hour of Devastation PreSpoiler Season spoilers


  • Please log in to reply
52 replies to this topic

#1
Flame Dragon

Flame Dragon

    Ancient YCMer

  • Super Moderators
  • 23,224 posts
So we start getting spoilers in mass tomorrow, but we were given something nice to start with today
jacesdefeat.jpg

We also had more card leaked earlier this week.
ramunapexcavator.jpg
wildfireeternal.jpg
[img[]http://mythicspoiler...ards/abrade.jpg
adornedpouncer.jpg
If anyone is willing to trade me a HA Cranidos, HA Snover, HA Burmy and/or Shaymin in Gen 6 I'd be your best friend forever.

FC: 0989-1906-1912

sept_p10_02_4jkg1.jpgvqhz4l.jpg
charizard-megay.gifNw_Easter_Event9.png006-m.png

#2
evilfusion

evilfusion

    God-Pharaoh

  • Legendary Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,739 posts

...there's a card literally called "Jace's Defeat"? That's...not remotely subtle. Or surprising, actually.

 

Now, I had noted a while back, before any HOU cards were revealed, that there was an obvious pattern with some of the Planeswalker cards. Chandra and Nissa were printed in Kaladesh, and both got Planeswalker Decks featuring them. Ajani and Tezzeret got printed in Aether Revolt, also with Planeswalker Decks featuring them. Amonkhet had Gideon and Liliana (and a surprise Nissa) in the set, and Planeswalker Decks featuring them.

 

And now Hour of Devastation. Bolas was OBVIOUSLY going to feature (and he also has a Planeswalker Deck, I hear). The only Gatewatch member not featured in a Planeswalker Deck is Jace. I semi-suspect him to also get a Planeswalker print in HOU, but that might not be the case. If not in the main set, then possibly within the second Planeswalker Deck (since they release in pairs).

 

"Jace's Defeat" is so specific with its effect, it strongly hints at a possible Jace Planeswalker in the set. Countering only Blue spells, and having a secondary effect if it was SPECIFICALLY a Jace Planeswalker.

 

Also, not remotely surprised. From what I know of the story, Jace has encountered Bolas previously, and held him off mentally for like...a fraction of a second (cited as being an incredible feat). Jace also seems to operate almost entirely using his mental abilities, of which Bolas VASTLY outmatches him. There was absolutely no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that Jace would get utterly stomped by Bolas.


Wiping out 500,000 LP on my second turn: Priceless.
Epic
Best Ragequit
Neo Galaxy-Eyes Hall of Fame
Posted Image

In a perfect world we'd have 12 evilfusion's and the rest of us could retire.


#3
Flame Dragon

Flame Dragon

    Ancient YCMer

  • Super Moderators
  • 23,224 posts

...there's a card literally called "Jace's Defeat"? That's...not remotely subtle. Or surprising, actually.
 
Now, I had noted a while back, before any HOU cards were revealed, that there was an obvious pattern with some of the Planeswalker cards. Chandra and Nissa were printed in Kaladesh, and both got Planeswalker Decks featuring them. Ajani and Tezzeret got printed in Aether Revolt, also with Planeswalker Decks featuring them. Amonkhet had Gideon and Liliana (and a surprise Nissa) in the set, and Planeswalker Decks featuring them.
 
And now Hour of Devastation. Bolas was OBVIOUSLY going to feature (and he also has a Planeswalker Deck, I hear). The only Gatewatch member not featured in a Planeswalker Deck is Jace. I semi-suspect him to also get a Planeswalker print in HOU, but that might not be the case. If not in the main set, then possibly within the second Planeswalker Deck (since they release in pairs).
 
"Jace's Defeat" is so specific with its effect, it strongly hints at a possible Jace Planeswalker in the set. Countering only Blue spells, and having a secondary effect if it was SPECIFICALLY a Jace Planeswalker.
 
Also, not remotely surprised. From what I know of the story, Jace has encountered Bolas previously, and held him off mentally for like...a fraction of a second (cited as being an incredible feat). Jace also seems to operate almost entirely using his mental abilities, of which Bolas VASTLY outmatches him. There was absolutely no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that Jace would get utterly stomped by Bolas.


We know we are getting a Jace planeswalker in Ixalan thanks to the rare sheet leak so him being in this set seems unlikely. Especially coupled with us knowing Samut gets a planeswalker card and having 3 blocks in a row with 6 planeswalkers is REALLY pushing their limit on how many they'll want. I'll agree calling out Jace is weird, but I half expect all the Gatewatch will have a card showing their defeat. Right now people are speculating that Hour ends with the team being blasted off and separated which is why Jace will be on Ixalan.

"We have to do something," said Jace. "We may have disrupted Tezzeret's Planar Bridge, but Bolas's plans aren't so easily undone. Whatever he's up to, he's bound to have contingency plans, because..." Jace paused. "Well, because I would. And he's a lot smarter than I am."

Jace knows full well he is an ant next to Bolas.
If anyone is willing to trade me a HA Cranidos, HA Snover, HA Burmy and/or Shaymin in Gen 6 I'd be your best friend forever.

FC: 0989-1906-1912

sept_p10_02_4jkg1.jpgvqhz4l.jpg
charizard-megay.gifNw_Easter_Event9.png006-m.png

#4
evilfusion

evilfusion

    God-Pharaoh

  • Legendary Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,739 posts

This is actually part of what makes me so eager to see what happens in Hour of Devastation. There is almost no way I can see for the Gatewatch to win. They don't really know what Bolas is even trying to do, and in terms of combat ability, they should be all but nothing. The best outcome I can imagine is that they do SOMETHING to prevent Bolas' plan from fully succeeding, but since we don't even know what he's planning, I don't know how they might do that.

 

I also feel that the writers specifically set up this situation on Amonkhet so that it was unwinnable for the Gatewatch. They are not realistically expected to win, and the only consolation prize I can foresee is that they don't die. Maybe.

 

It's exciting to see a story where the heroes might actually lose, and even if they manage to score a better consolation prize, so long as it's not a complete ass-pull, it should be awesome to see how it turns out.

 

My current prediction is that Bolas' plan concludes with the entire Plane being eradicated. And since we were not really given many Amonkhet characters to relate to or sympathize with (and the main one we did will become a Planeswalker, apparently), I think the mission will end in failure, and the Gatewatch will have to planeswalk off of Amonkhet (or whatever they do) to avoid being destroyed with the plane.

 

I mean, the alternative I see is that they do manage to thwart the masterstroke of Bolas' plan, but it can't be considered a "victory" because Bolas always has contingency plans. And I still expect Amonkhet to be obliterated, because I just don't think the society can ever function normally again after what Bolas did to mess the plane up in the first place.


Wiping out 500,000 LP on my second turn: Priceless.
Epic
Best Ragequit
Neo Galaxy-Eyes Hall of Fame
Posted Image

In a perfect world we'd have 12 evilfusion's and the rest of us could retire.


#5
Flame Dragon

Flame Dragon

    Ancient YCMer

  • Super Moderators
  • 23,224 posts
I REALLY don't think they'll blow up Amonkhet. Egypt world is one of the most requested planes for them to visit so giving it to us and then blowing it up right after seems really bad. One of the problems they keep running into is destroying their worlds by the time they finish the block. Alara, Zendikar, Innistrad, and Tarkir all ended in very different places from where they started and the starting point was the much more popular one. For a long time WotC viewed worlds as disposable and its only been in recent years that they've really learned the value of leaving a world in a state where they can more easily return to it. That being said I do think the plane is going to be devastated and barely have a leg to stand on by the time Bolas is done with it.
If anyone is willing to trade me a HA Cranidos, HA Snover, HA Burmy and/or Shaymin in Gen 6 I'd be your best friend forever.

FC: 0989-1906-1912

sept_p10_02_4jkg1.jpgvqhz4l.jpg
charizard-megay.gifNw_Easter_Event9.png006-m.png

#6
evilfusion

evilfusion

    God-Pharaoh

  • Legendary Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,739 posts

I REALLY don't think they'll blow up Amonkhet. Egypt world is one of the most requested planes for them to visit so giving it to us and then blowing it up right after seems really bad. One of the problems they keep running into is destroying their worlds by the time they finish the block. Alara, Zendikar, Innistrad, and Tarkir all ended in very different places from where they started and the starting point was the much more popular one. For a long time WotC viewed worlds as disposable and its only been in recent years that they've really learned the value of leaving a world in a state where they can more easily return to it. That being said I do think the plane is going to be devastated and barely have a leg to stand on by the time Bolas is done with it.

 

That's a fair point. I'm not that familiar with most of the past lore, so I suppose averting a pattern from forming is probably for the better.

 

Still makes it difficult for me to imagine Amonkhet ending up in any other condition. We have little to no attachment to the majority of the people occupying the world, many of which were almost outright hostile to the Gatewatch and those who dissented with the tradition, but that's because of how Bolas corrupted the history of the world.

 

The problem is that the current occupants of Amonkhet were completely raised on the beliefs that presently exist, and even if Amonkhet isn't utterly eradicated...I don't know how they'll progress "back" to a stable society, like how they were before Bolas altered things.

 

And if they somehow "revert" everything, that feels like a cop-out.


Wiping out 500,000 LP on my second turn: Priceless.
Epic
Best Ragequit
Neo Galaxy-Eyes Hall of Fame
Posted Image

In a perfect world we'd have 12 evilfusion's and the rest of us could retire.


#7
「RINNE」

「RINNE」

    went there, came back, got the t-shirt

  • Senior Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,550 posts
  • Alias:Rinne
TpokmET.png

Nissa's Defeat 2G
Sorcery
Destroy target Forest, green enchantment, or green planeswalker. If that permanent was a Nissa planeswalker, draw a card.
"Nissa. The soul of this world is dead. And I will gladly kill more." -Nicol Bolas

「おいどうすんだよ」「もうどうだっていいや!」

dAx113Q.gif

edh decks • edgar markov • ephara, god of the polis • grimgrin, corpse-born • riku of two reflections • samut, voice of dissent


#8
Flame Dragon

Flame Dragon

    Ancient YCMer

  • Super Moderators
  • 23,224 posts

TpokmET.png

Nissa's Defeat 2G
Sorcery
Destroy target Forest, green enchantment, or green planeswalker. If that permanent was a Nissa planeswalker, draw a card.
"Nissa. The soul of this world is dead. And I will gladly kill more." -Nicol Bolas


This is several steps worse than Jace's Defeat. Like Gainsay has has sideboard use. This is WAY to narrow.

Either way excited for this cycle and curious what we'll see with Gideon's.
If anyone is willing to trade me a HA Cranidos, HA Snover, HA Burmy and/or Shaymin in Gen 6 I'd be your best friend forever.

FC: 0989-1906-1912

sept_p10_02_4jkg1.jpgvqhz4l.jpg
charizard-megay.gifNw_Easter_Event9.png006-m.png

#9
Gokai-Red

Gokai-Red

    Seasoned Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 526 posts

TpokmET.png

Nissa's Defeat 2G
Sorcery
Destroy target Forest, green enchantment, or green planeswalker. If that permanent was a Nissa planeswalker, draw a card.
"Nissa. The soul of this world is dead. And I will gladly kill more." -Nicol Bolas


Basically Bolas Absorbed all the mana from the Plane to Ascend into something more powerfull essentially killing it...that's kind of yeah something that bolas would do.

Gokai-final-wave-o.gif


#10
evilfusion

evilfusion

    God-Pharaoh

  • Legendary Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,739 posts

O_O

 

...yeah, this is definitely sounding like Bolas curb-stomps the Gatewatch. And those defeats will be immortalized in cards. And none of them are story spotlights.


Wiping out 500,000 LP on my second turn: Priceless.
Epic
Best Ragequit
Neo Galaxy-Eyes Hall of Fame
Posted Image

In a perfect world we'd have 12 evilfusion's and the rest of us could retire.


#11
Tesability Black

Tesability Black

    Thunder Dragon Champion

  • The Last NetMonster
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,579 posts

My fuck, I have a friend whom would collect this particular cycle, just to cackle at how the 'bad guy' just wrecked these guys into bits. With what we're seeing with the defeats, Bolas basically jammed himself into every one of their asses without even the slightest amount of lube or preparation...

 

...and I think that particular body part on Bolas is bigger than any of the Planeswalker's entire bodies...



#12
General Heinous

General Heinous

    A candidate for humanity's sake

  • Senior Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,550 posts
  • Alias:Kano, Kanokarob

So these won't be in the Planeswalker deck, then, which is arguably better because we'll get a full cycle of them. Very cool. But will any of them have any lasting effects on the story?



#13
Flame Dragon

Flame Dragon

    Ancient YCMer

  • Super Moderators
  • 23,224 posts
gideonsdefeat.jpg
Liliana's Defeat
B
Sorcery
Destroy target black creature or black planeswalker. If it was a Liliana planeswalker, it's controller loses 3 life.

So these won't be in the Planeswalker deck, then, which is arguably better because we'll get a full cycle of them. Very cool. But will any of them have any lasting effects on the story?


Ixalan

If anyone is willing to trade me a HA Cranidos, HA Snover, HA Burmy and/or Shaymin in Gen 6 I'd be your best friend forever.

FC: 0989-1906-1912

sept_p10_02_4jkg1.jpgvqhz4l.jpg
charizard-megay.gifNw_Easter_Event9.png006-m.png

#14
evilfusion

evilfusion

    God-Pharaoh

  • Legendary Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,739 posts

Well, crap. Looks like 4 of them are confirmed to get stomped now. Chandra's next.

 

And I cringed a little bit at the art for Gideon's Defeat. Gideon got touched directly. The lightest touch and Bolas beats him.


Wiping out 500,000 LP on my second turn: Priceless.
Epic
Best Ragequit
Neo Galaxy-Eyes Hall of Fame
Posted Image

In a perfect world we'd have 12 evilfusion's and the rest of us could retire.


#15
Tesability Black

Tesability Black

    Thunder Dragon Champion

  • The Last NetMonster
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,579 posts

Yeah, it looks like Nicol just no-selled Gideon's invulnerability before delivering his curbstomp. Scary thought is scary. o.o

And Flame...



#16
Flame Dragon

Flame Dragon

    Ancient YCMer

  • Super Moderators
  • 23,224 posts

Yeah, it looks like Nicol just no-selled Gideon's invulnerability before delivering his curbstomp. Scary thought is scary. o.o

And Flame...

Ixalan

If anyone is willing to trade me a HA Cranidos, HA Snover, HA Burmy and/or Shaymin in Gen 6 I'd be your best friend forever.

FC: 0989-1906-1912

sept_p10_02_4jkg1.jpgvqhz4l.jpg
charizard-megay.gifNw_Easter_Event9.png006-m.png

#17
Poc

Poc

    Old Fogey

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,746 posts

From what I'm getting from the defeat cycle is that Bolas is ejecting them from Amonkhet. I don't know if any of them will actually be killed in the process but Bolas is definitely splitting up the Avengers and it will be Ajani's Job to go gather their dumb asses up. As for the cards themselves, Narrow hate cards can find places in sideboards depending on how the meta shapes up. I can't really say one is more playable than the other because its impossible to judge these cards in a vacuum.Their power and playability depends on the rest of the meta.



#18
President Frank Underwood

President Frank Underwood

    #FU2016

  • POTUS
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,319 posts
  • Alias:Dan

You know, the Defeat cards make sense from a meta standpoint. We know that Wizards has been pushing the Super Friends hard for the past couple of years, and there are some good, Standard-viable versions of each of them (I'm looking at you, Gideon). These aren't just flavor: they are perfect for countering decks centering around one or more of the Super Friends (again, not naming names Gideon).



#19
(△)

(△)

    Carbonized Cells Can't Regenerate.

  • Ace Investigator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,633 posts
  • Alias:(parenthesis)
  • Spouse:some shitty waifu

You could totally get away with playing jace's defeat in vintage.


hPNN3xu.gif


#20
General Heinous

General Heinous

    A candidate for humanity's sake

  • Senior Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,550 posts
  • Alias:Kano, Kanokarob
I'm curious how Chandra will be defeated.

Unless we were wrong; perhaps someone will betray their Oath, just not Liliana...

That's unlikely but I don't see why we wouldn't have Chandra's yet.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users