Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 :thinking: kms forgot to make it public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotKrow Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Is this the juicy YCM drama I've missed all these years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Isn't the organization of users known as mods a sign that not all users are equal in the first place, and that they shouldn't be treated equally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Isn't the organization of users known as mods a sign that not all users are equal in the first place?No. Mods are (supposed to be) representatives of the community, putting in time and effort to help the site run well. They aren't really "higher status" or more important than any other member. Don't confuse anarchy for freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Isn't the organization of users known as mods a sign that not all users are equal in the first place, and that they shouldn't be treated equally?The time I was a mod here, I learnt that I was to act just like I would a member. Sure, I had a banhammer and the ability to moderate but I went about the forums as myself. Sakura is a great example of a mod being a member still. Modship is a privilage, not a power boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 No.Mods are (supposed to be) representatives of the community, putting in time and effort to help the site run well. They aren't really "higher status" or more important than any other member. Don't confuse anarchy for freedom.I wasn't trying to say "We don't need mods, anarchy!" I just meant because there are people with the ability to ban us, and for the most part, are above being banned or being held accountable, we're not so equal. It's a necessary thing to maintain order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 I wasn't trying to say "We don't need mods, anarchy!" I just meant because there are people with the ability to ban us, and for the most part, are above being banned or being held accountable, we're not so equal.It's a necessary thing.In an ideal system, the bolded doesn't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 The mods should treat people fairly, but not equally imo. For example, if someone has 25 warning points, they should be treated differently than someone who has 0 warning points. This is unequal treatment and it is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 In an ideal system, the bolded doesn't apply.The idea that we're not held accountable is ridiculous and you know it. There's literally nothing stopping members from holding us accountable. If you convince the other mods that one of us shouldn't be here, then that's that. The only reason members can't do that by themselves is because it makes it hard for staff to do their jobs if the site can mob up and fire them on a whim. (Although that's exactly what happened to striker) If you want someone gone, mob up and tell evilfusion. The guy's going to seriously listen to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 The idea that we're not held accountable is ridiculous and you know it.There's literally nothing stopping members from holding us accountable. If you convince the other mods that one of us shouldn't be here, then that's that. The only reason members can't do that by themselves is because it makes it hard for staff to do their jobs if the site can mob up and fire them on a whim. (Although that's exactly what happened to striker)If you want someone gone, mob up and tell evilfusion. The guy's going to seriously listen to you.Is that directed at me or at Giga? Because I'm pretty I'm the one suggesting that this is the case, and Giga is telling me in an ideal system, which is what the poll in question is referring to, that should be the case. Also, mobbing doesn't work. Mobs make you all stick to your guns more because mobs become unreasonable. However, a reasonable single person, or a reasonable few, get nothing done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANZAI!!!! Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Is that directed at me or at Giga? Because I'm pretty I'm the one suggesting that this is the case, and Giga is telling me in an ideal system, which is what the poll in question is referring to, that should be the case.Also, mobbing doesn't work. Mobs make you all stick to your guns more because mobs become unreasonable. However, a reasonable single person, or a reasonable few, get nothing done.If enough of you actually went to the mods with convincing arguments, we'd have no choice but to do what you say. That's more or less what happened when Winter's permaban was knocked down to a temp. Seriously, if you don't think the regular mods are level headed enough to listen to you, take it to evilfusion. He's the most objective of all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 The mods should treat people fairly, but not equally imo. For example, if someone has 25 warning points, they should be treated differently than someone who has 0 warning points. This is unequal treatment and it is right. This was along my thought process as well. Most people are pretty normal, but people like problem children need something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Minimania - Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 All members should be treated equally and fairly by all members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 The mods should treat people fairly, but not equally imo. For example, if someone has 25 warning points, they should be treated differently than someone who has 0 warning points. This is unequal treatment and it is right. I wouldn't characterize a member with 25 warning points as being the same one with 0. When I see "treat someone equally" I see it as two members in similar standings should be treated the same regardless of my personal biases for or against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 If enough of you actually went to the mods with convincing arguments, we'd have no choice but to do what you say. That's more or less what happened when Winter's permaban was knocked down to a temp. Seriously, if you don't think the regular mods are level headed enough to listen to you, take it to evilfusion. He's the most objective of all of us.I would believe you if not less than a month ago after presenting a calm argument with solid points and a few people backing it up, with their own solid points, Evilfusion just responded with "I don't care". And that's the sad fact. If mods don't care, there's not much we can do besides raising a fuss, which gets us frowned on, or to stop coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Stigmatizing someone as a "problem child" is only going to make them feel more isolated, more ganged up on, and more likely to lash out. If someone does wrong by the rules, they should receive a procedural, proportional punishment to their offence regardless of their history. I understand the scaling punishments for those who insist upon breaking the rules within a given time frame and don't learn their lesson, but rule enforcement shouldn't be a personal affair and habitual rulebreakers are still human beings that want to be here and feel like they have a place. In terms of punishment, the same rules and punishments should apply to everyone including those that enforce them.In terms of how we treat one another as human beings, rules should have no bearing on our efforts to see things from others' perspectives and they're no reason to afford people any less respect than we would before they ever broke a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I clicked no because I should be treated as a Lord and screw all of you peasants. Actually I honestly wasn't sure what the poll really meant so I clicked no because I didn't know for sure how to answer but wanted to see how the poll progressed and assumed most people would have clicked yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Yes. If you break the rules, you should be punished, regardless of who you are. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchermitcher Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 was there a rule against what he did though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 was there a rule against what he did though if we're talking Discord stuff; nobody's going to have rules so obscenely specific as "If you're suddenly and mistakenly given mod powers, do not use them and notify a mod immediately". The whole "But did he break a rule" argument doesn't really hold up when clearly some wrong decisions were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchermitcher Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 if we're talking Discord stuff; nobody's going to have rules so obscenely specific as "If you're suddenly and mistakenly given mod powers, do not use them and notify a mod immediately". The whole "But did he break a rule" argument doesn't really hold up when clearly some wrong decisions were made.Well, more referring to whatever got him banned on the forum itself but, I'm just saying it's not enough grounds for a ban on the chat or here (chat isnt in mod jurisdiction now anyway so it's pointless to bring up). A warning and then a revision to the rules to include clauses along the lines of 'do not use a name that is mostly identical to a mod's name' or 'you do not have rights to use any power granted to you without permission' is really enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Well, more referring to whatever got him banned on the forum itself but, I'm just saying it's not enough grounds for a ban on the chat or here (chat isnt in mod jurisdiction now anyway so it's pointless to bring up). A warning and then a revision to the rules to include clauses along the lines of 'do not use a name that is mostly identical to a mod's name' or 'you do not have rights to use any power granted to you without permission' is really enough. OH the forum thing Yeah I don't know what happened, so hopefully that can get resolved soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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