Grinder Golem

[ÆƵ–]

Cause God forbid Black post about this far down the future when grinder sees big play and/or list attention

 

 

 

 Cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. Must first be Special Summoned (from your hand) to your opponent's side of the field by Special Summoning 2 "Grinder Tokens" (Fiend-Type/DARK/Level 1/ATK 0/DEF 0) in face-up Attack Position on your side of the field. If you Special Summon this monster, you cannot Normal Summon or Set a monster during the same turn.

 

I don't know the combo, I just know that it makes good stuffs. An explanation wouldn't be a bad idea for someone like me. 

 

Discuss?

[notcleverusername]

Most basic combo:

Grinder into 2 Tokens

Link Spooder/Linkuriboh from Tokens go into Akathicc

Akathicc bounce Grinder

Grinder into 2 Tokens

2 Tokens into Security Dragon

Security Dragon bounce Grinder

Chorus

Make Firewall with either Akathicc or Security Dragon and the 2 Tokens

Bounce Grinder with the Firewall

Chorus

Make another Firewall

Bounce Grinder with 2nd Firewall

Chorus

 

You can stop at any step to adjust how the Firewalls are colinked and/or if you want to save them for something else, but this is just the least-nonsense play available. You can get extra Grinder bounces with Destrudo > Moonlight Rose, for a quick example, and I'm told there's an 8k 1-card OTK with Grinder though I don't care to know the details.

 

You can also 1-card Skellydoot via a similar route if you instead go into Linkuriboh/Link Spooder/Imduk with your 2 Tokens after the first Firewall under Akathicc.

 

Notably, you can also now use Grinder to 1-card into the Archfiend Link, though that's not a super rewarding return compared to other options.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

You can make Perpetual King in addition to the 2 Firewall Dragons though, or at any point in between after bouncing Grinder Golem. 

 

8k 1-card OTK with Grinder though I don't care to know the details.

 

For those who do, basically get to this point:

Most basic combo:

Grinder into 2 Tokens

Link Spooder/Linkuriboh from Tokens go into Akathicc

Akathicc bounce Grinder

Grinder into 2 Tokens

2 Tokens into Security Dragon

Security Dragon bounce Grinder

Chorus

Make Firewall with either Akathicc or Security Dragon and the 2 Tokens

Bounce Grinder with the Firewall

Chorus

 

ensuring Grinder Golem is in Attack Position

Then turn the tokens into 2 more [Linkuriboh/Link Spider]s

Link your two Link-1s for Underclock Taker

Activate Underclock's effect targeting your Firewall and their Grinder Golem

Link your two Link-2s for Topologic Bomber Dragon

Attack Grinder Golem with Topologic for 2500 battle damage+3000 effect damage

Attack directly with Firewall Dragon

 

Your opponent has to have a pretty clear field for this to work so it's nothing super reliable but it is there as an extra option where relevant. It's up to you if you want to dedicate ED slots to Underclock and Topologic. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I hate banning cards. This needs a ban

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You can also 1-card Skellydoot via a similar route if you instead go into Linkuriboh/Link Spooder/Imduk with your 2 Tokens after the first Firewall under Akathicc.

Just to be clear, Imduk can't use tokens as material and you only turn 1 of the tokens into a Linkuriboh/Link Spid because the other token is a separate name.

 

If you could make Imduk with tokens there'd be some awesome play with making Auram and using its effect to reborn whatever, probably Firewall. It's a shame.

 

Also:

Make Firewall with either Akathicc or Security Dragon and the 2 Tokens

You almost certainly want to make the Firewall Dragon using the Security Dragon because Akashic eff excavate 4 is awesome.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Akashic Magician in general is just so underrated and underpriced right now I feel. Really good generic up-down Link-2 that recycles Kaijus/Grinder Golems, and the mill off a co-Linked Firewall Dragon with a chance for a free plus is hard to pass up.

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tbf Akashic does require quite a bit of investment to get good excavates since Grinder isn't even nearly full power. I'd argue that Grinder isn't worth losing your Normal Summon for most decks right now in the TCG. And its bounce effect gets stopped by removal as well as negation so it's not great for outing stuff.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

All true, though I find it somewhat comical how hard it is to find even a common Grinder Golem at a cheaper price than a Secret Rare Akashic Magician these days when Akashic Magician is critical for its combo. 

[Babymon]

[FIX YOUR WEBSITE YGOCARDMAKER]

 

 

Konami is aware of how broken golem and spyral are. THEY DO NOT CARE.

 

https://ygorganization.com/v-jump-grinder-golem-spyral-reports/

[Sleepy]

[spoiler=This is the first time I stop to look at Grinder Golem's art closely. I had never realized those chains were his nipples]

This is how Grinder Golem looks at your opponent after it starts the plays

 

 

[- Minimania -]

Pro tip

 

 

put this thing in defense position because this thing still does have 3000 atk

 

 

unless you're still playing that banish.cheese.dek

[Blake]

My favorite part is doing the Skulldoot combo and using Odd-Eyes Vortex Dragon to bounce it back T1.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

My favorite part is doing the Skulldoot combo and using Odd-Eyes Vortex Dragon to bounce it back T1.

In what world is a 1 card combo like that fair or ok?

[Blake]

In what world is a 1 card combo like that fair or ok?

you can’t summon vortex through a one card combo :thinking:

 

I mean, the game has evolved to a point where Zoo-like cards enrich the game. I’m not gonna advocate for GG, but I will for Gofu.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

you can’t summon vortex through a one card combo :thinking:

 

I mean, the game has evolved to a point where Zoo-like cards enrich the game. I’m not gonna advocate for GG, but I will for Gofu.

I will too, Gofu has actual restrictions, I've not yet found a way that you can keep looping it for example. 

 

I think we disagreed on rat back in the day too. The massive advantage expansion from a single card is really out of line these days imo. We see it in QF and Rat, and to a lesser degree in Oviraptor. 

 

I meant 1 card skull isn't fair imo

[Blake]

Skull isn’t fair. That’s not on GG. You can 1-card it with Gofu, too.

 

I still think rat was fine. Not bull or Drident.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Skull isn’t fair. That’s not on GG. You can 1-card it with Gofu, too.

 

I still think rat was fine. Not bull or Drident.

I mean you can make it w/ Gofu, but can you make the 4 effect?

 

I'd personally liked to have seen Bull and maybe Drident survive w/ a Rat limit, but OCG showed that the deck was still META even post Barrage/Drancia bans and rat limit

 

*shrugs*

[Blake]

I mean you can make it w/ Gofu, but can you make the 4 effect?

 

I'd personally liked to have seen Bull and maybe Drident survive w/ a Rat limit, but OCG showed that the deck was still META even post Barrage/Drancia bans and rat limit

 

*shrugs*

Gofu -> Tokens

Token + Gofu -> Needlefiber

Needlefiber finds Glow-Up Bulb

Bulb -> Linkuriboh

Revive Bulb

 

1-card. Jet Synchron also works, albeit with a discard cost. Re-Cover based on ED investment for other assorted plays, but likely not a 1-card play at that point. Vayu would if he didn't specify non-Tuner.

 

It can be better to then NS and use it for Skulldoot, because GUB in the grave can revive for Nat Beast, who becoems a 25/20 thanks to Skulldoot.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Gofu -> Tokens

Token + Gofu -> Needlefiber

Needlefiber finds Glow-Up Bulb

Bulb -> Linkuriboh

Revive Bulb

 

1-card. Jet Synchron also works, albeit with a discard cost. Re-Cover based on ED investment for other assorted plays, but likely not a 1-card play at that point. Vayu would if he didn't specify non-Tuner.

 

It can be better to then NS and use it for Skulldoot, because GUB in the grave can revive for Nat Beast, who becoems a 25/20 thanks to Skulldoot.

Hmm so 

 

Token+ Needle + Bulb+ Kuriboh

 

Legit, if they're smart they'll rule Needle like Sangan so you can't use bulb effect

[ÆƵ–]

I mean, the game has evolved to a point where Zoo-like cards enrich the game.

Im half and half on this.

 

On one hand, generic goodstuffs does make the game more skillful in a sense, and rewards being creative with card choice to achieve a good outcome.

 

But on the other hand, if the generic goodstuff is so generic it is essentially required to play, it makes the game bland, at least to me.

 

Also, after testing out this combo, ive decided that I don't like this combo, because its so funking L O N G

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The game has only become better due to rat like cards if you're for limiting generic things that they abuse

 

Like Gusto (and Chain) were killed in TCG

 

QF will likely claim a few scalps too

 

I'm personally in the camp of not allowing massive plus generating cards like that

The saddest thing is I've reluctantly accepted that Ash needs to be in the game. It sucks that Avarice has to pay the price for Needle Fiber and Oviraptor's mistake

[Blake]

needlefiber is explicitly not worded like sangan, that's not a ruling thing...

 

Also having generic cards that enable being to paly better isn't a bad thing. You can say "boring", but it adds to the game by allowing you to play more.

[UltimateIRS]

Is Grinder Golem actually broken without Akashic Magician?

[VCR_CAT]

Is Grinder Golem actually broken without Akashic Magician?

 

No. Security Dragon requires a co-link to bounce; it's really Akashic that enables it to be re-added and re-summoned once again for continued value and bigger summons. Otherwise it's really just a meme for 2 tokens.