Gem-knight Phantom Roots

[Darj]

Edited with more, but tokens are also a big deal.

 

normal monsters is less restrictive than gem- at the end of the day, while giving more general usage. You can argue against it genetically, but options are better than not having them.

 

Want to say that I find your stance interesting. I agree that requiring Normals is less restrictive than "Gem-" monsters, but then... wouldn't it be more difficult for Gem-Knight decks to Summon it, when given its effects, the card was intended for them? That would have been kinda ironic xD

I mean, Gem-Knights would have to go a bit out of their way to Summon it (e.g. Rabbit, Dai, Tokens), while there would still be little benefit from playing this in non Gem-Knight decks unless you tech Gem-Knight cards, which may or may not compromise the deck's consistency, so to me it looks like a lose-lose trade there.

Then again, I get the vibe that when you say Tokens, you mostly mean "Grinder Golem", but come on, that card is more of an exception on Tokens and its own case.

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I think what Black is getting at if it was 2x Normals is that you could make this using Tokens/whatever and use its effect to search a GK monster. Then you grave/banish that GK monster and use the other effect of this card to make Seraphinite with that GK monster and a random LIGHT you have in GY or banished. Also nice because that LIGHT could easily be a link monster you need to put back.

 

Am I right Black?

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

So, I'm not saying there is no way this isn't luster, but I don't think this is luster.

 

-Master Pendulum's flavor text doesn't really do anything to indicate the connection.

 

-The wings are hardly a similarity. This has zefra/metal angel wings, whereas luster has regular old dragon wings. Not to mention Luster only has two wings, while this has..

Well, I'm not sure actually, but more than two.

 

-Luster is a dragon. This isn't a dragon. I understand that cards change type through different incarnations, but this change is a dramatic one that doesn't seem to serve much purpose.

 

-The hair was mentioned, but honestly I think that might just be because the two cards were drawn by the same person. I'm sure if I took the time to look, I could find cards with similar hair that are obviously not connected.

 

-And yes, there are other similarities, such as how Luster's atk ends in 50, similarly to the various incarnations of crystal. However, this doesn't necessarily mean they are directly connected. Things can have cosmetic and mechanical similarities so as to remind you of each other. A good example of this is Decode Talker and Dark Magician. They share many parts of their visual design. Yes, they share this because they are both protagonist cards, but keep in mind that luster and Crystal have a similar connection. They each served similar purposes in their respective storylines, being a central character that can be seen changing across different cards and archetypes.

 

So, while obviously the two cards look similar, I honestly don't believe that indicates they are the same character at all.

 

As for the card itself, it's definitely powerful, but I feel it isn't quite generic enough to make things work as well as similar enginy links would (needlefibr, electrum, etc). Though it is very good with the various Gem knight cards, I don't believe it totally justifies using enough of them to make it worth and ED slot. The additional support in the pack will probably change my mind on that, though.

[Darj]

I think what Black is getting at if it was 2x Normals is that you could make this using Tokens/whatever and use its effect to search a GK monster. Then you grave/banish that GK monster and use the other effect of this card to make Seraphinite with that GK monster and a random LIGHT you have in GY or banished. Also nice because that LIGHT could easily be a link monster you need to put back.

 

Am I right Black?

 

Oh wow, I didn't have enough foresight. Yeah, that would have been a sick play just for adding a Gem-Knight to a deck that already runs Rabbit, Grinder, etc.

[Armoire]

So I watched a video today with this card enabling a 2-card FTK (without Firewall) with pure Gem-Knights: Brilliant Fusion + Black Garden. And it looks like it boosts Gem-Knights considerably in terms of searching/combo-ing.

With that said, I guess I kind of like its requirements being more "Gem-" oriented since it keeps it more archetype-inclusive and you can use your Gem-Knight fusions to summon it; and don't have to worry about your EMZ  being occupied when trying to summon this card.

[Eshai]

So I watched a video today with this card enabling a 2-card FTK (without Firewall) with pure Gem-Knights: Brilliant Fusion + Black Garden. And it looks like it boosts Gem-Knights considerably in terms of searching/combo-ing.

 

With that said, I guess I kind of like its requirements being more "Gem-" oriented since it keeps it more archetype-inclusive and you can use your Gem-Knight fusions to summon it; and don't have to worry about your EMZ  being occupied when trying to summon this card.

 

Whelp. Now I want to play Gem-Knights again, although I'd rather not have the FTK. OTKs are good enough.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

I earned my bragging rights

 

I assume the Verz card will address the Dracofication process

[~British Soul~]

I assume the Verz card will address the Dracofication process

Well, we'll just have to wait and see if it does or not.

[VCR_CAT]

 

I earned my bragging rights

 

I assume the Verz card will address the Dracofication process

 

Except not really, because while it does confirm a connection between Duel Terminal and Dracostory, this doesn't confirm anything with Phantom Roots.

 

Several things going on here:

- Metaltron XII is a combination of Zoodiacs, Metalfoes, and Crystrons. While it shares so much between itself and the Zefra Link, we don't know the precise connection. Based on lore, we know it can't be the exact monster. But also:

- We don't know who Metaltron is and, considering that Phantom Roots appears to be post-Tierra (just as I assume Metaltron is as well), there's no way it could be the same thing. Also:

- For all we know, this Metaltron is actually a Zefra-ification of Metaltron XII and it's not the other way around.

- Metaltron, as a whole, is seperate from Luster Pendulum who became Master Peace who became Other Master Peace. Zefra Metaltron doesn't confirm the connection either.

 

Your theory is possible, though it's honestly still really far-fetched because holy crap there's so much we don't know. Your theories being right, at this point, based on the information we have, are more likely to be right because of luck rather than reasoning. Just wait for more cards to be released.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Except not really, because while it does confirm a connection between Duel Terminal and Dracostory, this doesn't confirm anything with Phantom Roots.

 

Several things going on here:

- Metaltron XII is a combination of Zoodiacs, Metalfoes, and Crystrons. While it shares so much between itself and the Zefra Link, we don't know the precise connection. Based on lore, we know it can't be the exact monster. But also:

- We don't know who Metaltron is and, considering that Phantom Roots appears to be post-Tierra (just as I assume Metaltron is as well), there's no way it could be the same thing. Also:

- For all we know, this Metaltron is actually a Zefra-ification of Metaltron XII and it's not the other way around.

- Metaltron, as a whole, is seperate from Luster Pendulum who became Master Peace who became Other Master Peace. Zefra Metaltron doesn't confirm the connection either.

 

Your theory is possible, though it's honestly still really far-fetched because holy crap there's so much we don't know. Your theories being right, at this point, based on the information we have, are more likely to be right because of luck rather than reasoning. Just wait for more cards to be released.

Crystal left the DT world to go somewhere after the war with Tierra

 

The last Zefra and Tierra fought an epic battle for like 3 years straight and both vanished

 

The latter might be the linkage between Metaltrons

 

 

He clearly has his armor after Tierra vanished, and yet loses? Morphs it in Roots

 

You're right, we don't know for sure, but something certainly happened post DT, and there's a strong linkage between DT and DS post Tierra 

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The main barrier to GK Crystal = Luster Pendulum before was that we didn't even know if DT and Dracostory were part of the same canon. Now that we do know that, this theory should be looked at in a more favourable light than before.

[VCR_CAT]

The main barrier to GK Crystal = Luster Pendulum before was that we didn't even know if DT and Dracostory were part of the same canon. Now that we do know that, this theory should be looked at in a more favourable light than before.

 

That implies there's a lot of other evidence, which there isn't.

 

The connection between the two stories is real, but for now it's really nothing more than a theory based on light speculation.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

How did luster become master again? Or are they diff dudes

[VCR_CAT]

How did luster become master again? Or are they diff dudes

 

Same guy, as implied by flavor text. It's just meant to imply that he got stronger and had a lite evolution.

[The Warden]

How did luster become master again? Or are they diff dudes

 

As VCR said, he got an upgrade. I'm pretty sure is was a consequence of allying with the Majespecters, Igknights, and Dinomists and the upgrades he got from them (Ignister, Majester, and Dinoster). Kinda like an all your powers combined kind of thing.