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I'm guessing you really are meant to circumvent the drawback. It IS early GX era after all.

The first card of this kind that didn't let you get around it was Allure of Darkness, a card presented to us a couple years later.

 

If this was made nowadays, it wouldn't just be an extra Upstart Goblin though. The changes would depend on how good they intend it to be.

Hard OPT clause? x2 of the anime's LP pay/giveaway? an Allure clause where you'd loose your hand if you didn't return it at the the end (which would more or less render it useless unless you are planning to win that turn).

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How would you be able to circumvent the drawback, though? It doesn't specify from where you have to return it to the bottom of the deck, just states it must reach that location, in which I don't see how it being sent from the field, GY or banished zone would make a difference, unless I'm missing something here.

 

I agree this is just a terrible Upstart Goblin, not sure why you'd want to pay 1000 LP and send this back to your Deck at the End Phase over Upstart. This card probably would work better if it had an additional beneficial effect, maybe an extra card draw or something. Right now if this would to be transferred to TCG/OCG, it would become heavily ignored.

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How would you be able to circumvent the drawback, though? It doesn't specify from where you have to return it to the bottom of the deck, just states it must reach that location, in which I don't see how it being sent from the field, GY or banished zone would make a difference, unless I'm missing something here.

 

I agree this is just a terrible Upstart Goblin, not sure why you'd want to pay 1000 LP and send this back to your Deck at the End Phase over Upstart. This card probably would work better if it had an additional beneficial effect, maybe an extra card draw or something. Right now if this would to be transferred to TCG/OCG, it would become heavily ignored.

 

Being from the era it is, you simply would get the card off your hand to avoid it. Though this means the card would have had to be revealed so that at the very least a card with that name is retrieved. This would mean there's no longer a card to return in that location.

It wouldn't affect the card without a care of where it went, banished, switched control over (Exchange or Creature Swap), destroyed, discarded, or even returned to the Deck via another effect before the time of this card's retrieve.

The card itself doesn't have a punishment if you fail to return it. You'd simply avoid the cost, like lots of people avoid debt xD

 

 

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Being from the era it is, you simply would get the card off your hand to avoid it. Though this means the card would have had to be revealed so that at the very least a card with that name is retrieved. This would mean there's no longer a card to return in that location.

It wouldn't affect the card without a care of where it went, banished, switched control over (Exchange or Creature Swap), destroyed, discarded, or even returned to the Deck via another effect before the time of this card's retrieve.

The card itself doesn't have a punishment if you fail to return it. You'd simply avoid the cost, like lots of people avoid debt xD

 

But like I said, the card doesn't specify from where the card must be returned, so what exactly is being circumvented? Am I unaware of some unspoken rule where cards that move from their initial location somehow negate these kind of vague effects? Seems kinda sketchy imo, and a ball-drop on Konami's part if this is something still ongoing with no rational errata.

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But like I said, the card doesn't specify from where the card must be returned, so what exactly is being circumvented? Am I unaware of some unspoken rule where cards that move from their initial location somehow negate these kind of vague effects? Seems kinda sketchy imo, and a ball-drop on Konami's part if this is something still ongoing with no rational errata.

 

Yes the card is anime-only, and from early GX. The anime game had barely gone out of destroying a Castle of Illusion's flotation ring with a Catapult Turtle. Your hand is shuffled at will so your opponent has no way to check IRL if you are even returning the right card. 

I'm looking up the card's appearance, and it seems it was used by the Tarzan guy from GX. He apparently just drew the card, gave Jaden LP, payed 1k, and did nothing with the card, as it safely returned to the deck during the End Phase. It was probably made to showcase the guy's ability to tell what he was gonna draw, and iirc there was something that required Spells in the GY. You know.... GX combo xD

 

I believe the card's drawback would be circumvent because cards often just didn't really think that hard about it back then. A card designed nowadays would have a lot more implications worth asking about, but back then most questions happened because of a card's poor wording method, and other stuff related to what should be a prototype of the game xD

 

but yes, the card is a bit messy on this regard. Then there's Miracle Flipper, who doesn't specify where he comes back from, but is ruled that it doesn't matter if he's banished or in the GY, it still comes back, leading one to believe the place it goes to doesn't matter.

 

If I ever played this card, I'd return it to the Deck with Raiza or something, and see what happens at YGOPro or Duel Links. Lol. Returning my card before it returns so that it can be moved from the deck to the deck! (well, if they ever put this in, I mean).

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The problem is, it also doesn't specify how the opponent would know what the card you drew was, so in terms of practical play, one could literally toss any card played after this into the bottom of their deck.

 

Unless the card drawn is revealed then stays in a place where it is common knowledge to both players, this would need a major rewording in order to gauge how it would work as it was intended to.

 

That said, because it triggers during the End Phase like some other cards, it could have some interesting potential interactions. Card of Demise and Into the Void immediately come to mind. You can recycle a card back into the deck instead of sending it to the GY during the End Phase if it can be searched, for example.

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Yes the card is anime-only, and from early GX. The anime game had barely gone out of destroying a Castle of Illusion's flotation ring with a Catapult Turtle. Your hand is shuffled at will so your opponent has no way to check IRL if you are even returning the right card.

I'm looking up the card's appearance, and it seems it was used by the Tarzan guy from GX. He apparently just drew the card, gave Jaden LP, payed 1k, and did nothing with the card, as it safely returned to the deck during the End Phase. It was probably made to showcase the guy's ability to tell what he was gonna draw, and iirc there was something that required Spells in the GY. You know.... GX combo xD

 

I believe the card's drawback would be circumvent because cards often just didn't really think that hard about it back then. A card designed nowadays would have a lot more implications worth asking about, but back then most questions happened because of a card's poor wording method, and other stuff related to what should be a prototype of the game xD

 

but yes, the card is a bit messy on this regard. Then there's Miracle Flipper, who doesn't specify where he comes back from, but is ruled that it doesn't matter if he's banished or in the GY, it still comes back, leading one to believe the place it goes to doesn't matter.

 

If I ever played this card, I'd return it to the Deck with Raiza or something, and see what happens at YGOPro or Duel Links. Lol. Returning my card before it returns so that it can be moved from the deck to the deck! (well, if they ever put this in, I mean).

I thought we were discussing this card's application in today's TCG/OCG, so now I see the confusion. I don't expect anything from the anime to make sense, lol. That note of Miracle Flipper was a good find though, I'd expect this card to work in a similar sense, if they didn't include specification from the get-go, with the addition of a reveal condition like others have stated to avoid loophole headaches.

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I thought we were discussing this card's application in today's TCG/OCG, so now I see the confusion. I don't expect anything from the anime to make sense, lol. That note of Miracle Flipper was a good find though, I'd expect this card to work in a similar sense, if they didn't include specification from the get-go, with the addition of a reveal condition like others have stated to avoid loophole headaches.

 

I think this sort of card wording is part of why Two-Headed Behemoth used to be limited xD

Where the "once per Duel" clause didn't have a way to confirm if that was the copy that had already done it if the card returned to the Deck. So they just limited it until they errata'd it into "once per duel for all copies". Heh.

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