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And everyone partook in your ban. You're looking for somw perfectly ideal Winter approved team whose going to agree with you and never have fault.

But that's fictitious. You're never going to get a moderator who always follows the rule. And you can gripe and moan about imperfection but that will not change.

Enguin's ban is being discussed for the umpteenth time in the mod forum. There is zero obligation for Supers to overturn it. But if they do, it's because they made a decision together (and because i told them point blank that you can be agreed with but you don't get a final say in this particular decision). If it happens, it happens. If not, you're just gonna have to either live with it or leave.

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That must be why I supported Cowcow and Yui as mods. Yui was practically salivating about banning me again by the end of 2017. Two people that actually supported my ban. You can try to spin this as much as want as me putting in loyalist, but that's just dishonest

Dude. Always follow the rule is like Hina. I'm not asking for that really. Basically every argument you gave at the time got bunked, and you guys are still stubborn.

The only obligation is your word. W happens becuase x, y, z is what you said

X, y, z have been debunked, and yet you guys stand firm on w

All this shows is that the innitial rationale was just some fodder for rubes

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I wouldn't have put my word behind Hina if she always followed the rules. She would be a great moderator except she's invisible like Night and that's problematic. You see what I'm talking about.

You keep floating around arbitrary nonsense about ALWAYS following the rules. That's physically impossible. Even by being caught up with life, if Hina have us no word or warning about her disappearing, we would be down a member twiddling our thumbs. That's already failing us.

And for the record, I would still vote for her.

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Let this be known, my dearest Dad: I check the site numerous times a day, and should activity be required of me, it shall be bestowed magnanimously and zealously, like the firebrand's daunting determination.

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Winter. You're going in too hot, which only gives (some) validity to Sakura's sweeping statements, and shows that the concerns others have brought up are perfectly valid. It doesn't help, it's no better than said sweeping statements. Back off for a bit.
 
To clear up the Night thing: Last year, either shortly before or shortly after Aix resigned (wanna say before, but can't be sure, though my first post in that thread makes me think I did go first) and critiqued the mod team and the site, I did my own critique in the mod forum. Of these, I suggested... I forget if I suggested removing Night entirely, or if I simply suggested bumping him down from Super.
 
Either way, Evilfusion ended up agreeing and bumped him down to a regular mod for the time being. He appeared less than 24 hours later wanting his position back.
 
Aix thread, for reference:
https://forum.yugioh...for-the-future/
 
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Moving on... I want to reiterate once more that the team needs someone willing to think actions through, but also to take action when things go awry. Of course people on the team are going to make mistakes, but that doesn't mean you accept that as a fact and never try to fix or understand them.
 
While I don't think someone who was contrarian to the point that Alfred was is necessary, by any means, I do believe that you need someone willing to stop things from going through if they won't beenfit the site. Such as this impersonation rule, which does absolutely nothing. Or the overly strict sexual content rule that almost was. Or many of the earlier attempts at punishing Winter, which I was not exempt from. Evilfusion was the one that knocked sense into me in regards to him, because he served as this voice of reason that slowed the process around July or August of 2016.
 
And doing that task honestly seems like a waste of energy. Towards the end of my modship in early 2017, I probably would have tried my best to keep working on the team, even with mom's sickness. But I just gave in to that feeling of wasting my energy on something that would never change, and decided to drop it entirely, because I wouldn't be adding anything of worth. Yes, it worked out because mom needed me, but I gave in to that hopelessness that the team would ever improve, as a member of the team. As did Nai. Aix. Yui. Koko. Etc. It's easy to give in and decide that it's not worth your effort.
 
But... It's clear that it is absolutely something the team needs. The past year has been rife with failures in this regard, and I'm not saying it's due to my absence. The team has been much smaller in the past year, so something was lost when the team began to rapidly shrink, which led to the now stagnated condition it's in. A small team is better than a huge one, but I believe it's caused an echo chamber effect more than helped.
 
Now, the members are not without fault, but... Right now? This is the most concerted and civil I've ever seen the memberbase be in regards to issues. People who hate each other are on the same side, people who would generally support the team happily are either keeping their distance or weighing in... And it's absolutely wrong to sweep that up with "You'll never be happy, it's the same people, same complaints". There are big problems going on, and it is unfair to everyone involved to try and make it sound like you're being bullied.
 
The site has honestly gotten increasingly more civil in regards to these matters. Even the bit with BrokeN's promotion (which hasn't been a problem yet) and Zai (in general) reaching from late November to late December was handled much better than the site has been known to do so in the past, and it was met with someone telling the members to fuck off. It brought up false promises from the team, and just generally left things in a worse state, because the end result was a giant shrug and move on.
 
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I'm gonna go over the mod team, too.
 
Broken: Shrug? You haven't fucked up yet, even if I disagree with your direction for TCG. Just keep not fucking up, and ideally help the team get on track.
 
Zai: I already said it all. You're a detriment to the team. I could go on and on, but what's the point?
 
Dad: Honestly? I was opposed to your return to the team. Your instability bothered me, and you were very vicious in your time away from power. You carry yourself better as a moderator than you did during your break, but... It still felt like that should have been taken into consideration before bringing you back with open arms, especially with Yui being meant as a replacement. You've proven me wrong for the most part, though, so keep on keeping on.
 
Flame: You are definitely the closest thing to a leader, but... The team is moreso a chicken without one. You're definitely the most trustworthy member of the team, though, because I've never known you to say a bad word about anyone, even when they've done such to you, and it definitely feels like you listen. But people are correct that you just... feel like you can't change things. Who know, maybe you're in the same boat as those who resigned in hopelessness. I've said it many times, but the best way to sum you up is "grandpa".
 
Night: Absent. I don't think it's fair to have him pop up when something happens to assert his position then move on. Even if he shows up in the mod forum, members and mods alike have acknowledged that isn't enough. My experience on the team says that didn't happen much either, though. Doesn't merit a Super spot, at the very least. Fine dude, but liking someone doesn't mean they're good at modship.
 
Sakura: You're the biggest issue I have after Zai. You lash out at the members whenever we try to make a change, regardless of how civil we are, and you refuse to communicate with people when they come to you. Hell, when the shit was going on in Nov/Dec, I had a constant PM going with you and FD, which you constantly glanced at and ignored. Flame did his best to keep a line of dialogue going, especially since I came in private to hopefully lessen the burden happening on the site itself, and... You just couldn't be bothered. Yeah, you replied to the later one sent to all three supers, but that's too little too late.
 
I know you dislike me for being your critic. Same with Giga. And others. It's not unknown that you oppose them in the mod forum with all of your might, and you have the right to oppose people you think are being unfair. But you don't stick your head in the sand and refuse to listen/blame others.
 
I had high hopes for you, because you had really started shaping up. But since becoming a super... Even a little bit before... You've done nothing but slip back. You're back to being "robotic", except there's now hate mixed into it, so it's even worse than before when people didn't want you in a position of power. Maybe it's life, maybe it's the stress of the position, who knows. But a number of your posts lately... boil down to "fuck you" in a pretty format. They ignore wrongdoing or downplay it, citing rules that people don't even find fair, which you also ignored.
 
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The point of making the team smaller was to make better decisions, be better at communicating, and all around shaping up. Yet here we are at 6 moderators, with two of them opposing communication, one of them being absent, one being new, and two doing the best they can, given the situation. That's... sad. Not the mocking insult, I mean it is actually disheartening.
 
And it's not fair to say it's the same people over and over. There have been multiple threads with people coming together, regardless of normal stance, to tackle issues. Of course the same people will often show up if their concerns weren't addressed. That's completely natural.
 
I think that the team needs to grow again. I think it needs restructuring, too, but... There's 5 active mods and Night. Restructuring is mostly a pretty word at that point, no matter how much it does actually need to be done.
 
We had an excess before, but I think the team should probably hover around... I dunno, 7-9 members? The 13 we had before was way too much, but having 6~ active mods lends itself to this level of stagnation that the team hasn't seen... Ever. It's been a year of the same thing happening over. And over. And over. And over again. No lessons were really learned. Nothing really improved. Even decisions with positive outcome, like Yui's promotion, were handled really poorly, which we thought would lead to progress... But Broken's promotion was a straight-up repeat.

I understand that you're worried about members with power... I do get that, there are a lot of members I wouldn't put on the list. But there have been plenty of members like that, from all sides, throughout the site's history, and many of them ended up working out. I don't believe in the eagerness to join the team being a requirement like some, but I do believe that an earnest desire to improve the site is important, above all. To this day I maintain that the mod team should be leaders or fill a specific role.

I think that's all I've got for now.

 

Note from Proofreader(s): "He needed to change instances of 'hopelessness' to 'despair'."


 

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Hell, I'd be a great mod on this site and yet I am one of the biggest offenders of the rule. Winter has good ideas, but his premise is leading on a regime and setting this site as a precedent for what is important in people's lives, priorities. This site should always come last to anything else in life; It is not a volunteer service, it is not a job, it is not anything but a children's website where adults fuck around on. 

 

The thing is that we do choose to spend our time on here and want things to work better for us while we do spend our time on the site. The mods have no foundation to what their rules and responsibilities are in their own forum, or in their respected area of connectivity. Being a mod is difficult. It is, I know that, but that doesn't mean you should make excuses or not have the ability to interact with the members appropriately. When you lack that ability, you lack the ability to be a mod. 


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I think that the team needs to grow again. I think it needs restructuring, too, but... There's 5 active mods and Night. Restructuring is mostly a pretty word at that point, no matter how much it does actually need to be done.

 

Can't really comment on anything else, so I'll stick with this. I agree on both counts, and it comes down to the order for approaching this. The team needs to grow and be restructured, but I think it would be more important to go with the restructuring first. Establish a new structure for the mod team, and then add new mods to that team. Otherwise it might just be adding new mods, and then almost immediately shaking things up before those new mods would have time to adjust.

 

So I think there needs to be a shake-up of the team, and preferably one that does leave room for new mods. Quite frankly, Flame is the only current mod I actually trust to be a Super right now. Sakura and Night should both be reduced to normal mods. We should have more Supers than just Flame, but I really don't know who else I'd want for that role.

 

Unless things have changed, then based on what Flame said, this would essentially mean Sakura and Night would have limited access to the Admin CP, and would have less weight in mod discussions. While it's only a baby step, I think that agreeing on baby steps is all we can manage right now, otherwise it feels like these arguments are going to stagnate.

 

We should just expect the team to be downsized anyway. They haven't made up the difference from eliminating the PR mod position, and I think the current team should just be more clearly delegated to more specific roles if they won't make up any other differences.

 

When that previous restructuring was done, there was a clear association between specific mods and their personal sections. There should be a similar list now, of who is the mod of which section. And it should be clear if there are voids that need to be filled. They need not be an invitation for new mods to step up, but the mods should at least be open about their limits. Give us a coherent list of which mods are managing what.

 

As a bit of a thought experiment, let's try something. Assuming Sakura and/or Night were to be demoted to regular mods, what would "their" sections be? What roles would they still have? Could they do with some help in those sections?


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As a bit of a thought experiment, let's try something. Assuming Sakura and/or Night were to be demoted to regular mods, what would "their" sections be? What roles would they still have? Could they do with some help in those sections?

CC and showcase, of course.

Whether Sakura needs help in CC is more for him to say than myself. He seems to have a good handle on it, though.

Showcase is dead beyond repair, but having an equally dead mod isn't doing it any favors.


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I'm okay with Sakura having CC.

 

No matter how dead Showcase may be, that doesn't exactly mean it's okay for Night to disappear.


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Sakura already has CC. He's been the sole mod of it since Gadj stepped down.

Also, as for structure before additions, I agree. I don't think a fully realized structure could be figured out with the current staff, but taking full stock of what they have and what everyone brings to the table is important, so that they actually know what they need when bringing someone new on.


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Give us a coherent list of which mods are managing what.

 

Such a list already exists in News.

 

And about restructuring, it was the previous restructuring that lead us to this. I mean, there has been a deliberate trend towards less and less mods for a few years now. That was intentional as the reasoning was that a large mod team wasn't necessary for a shrinking member base. The issue with that, from hindsight, is that the mods that are left can't be demoted without a replacement almost immediately taking over. Also, there are less mods to gather ideas with, a greater risk of not having the best mod for a situation, etc. If the mod team is to restructure, we need to be careful about how we do that. Otherwise, we'd be inviting more issues like the last one, unfortunately, did.


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Sakura already has CC. He's been the sole mod of it since Gadj stepped down.

Also, as for structure before additions, I agree. I don't think a fully realized structure could be figured out with the current staff, but taking full stock of what they have and what everyone brings to the table is important, so that they actually know what they need when bringing someone new on.

 
Right, I'm aware he already has it. Sorry, that was poor phrasing on my part.
 
I don't expect there to be a full realized structure. More than anything, I think the process of trying to shake things up will show that they don't have a full structure, so it would do more to highlight where they're lacking. It's taking full stock of what they have, and revealing what they don't.
 

Such a list already exists in News.
 
And about restructuring, it was the previous restructuring that lead us to this. I mean, there has been a deliberate trend towards less and less mods for a few years now. That was intentional as the reasoning was that a large mod team wasn't necessary for a shrinking member base. The issue with that, from hindsight, is that the mods that are left can't be demoted without a replacement almost immediately taking over. Also, there are less mods to gather ideas with, a greater risk of not having the best mod for a situation, etc. If the mod team is to restructure, we need to be careful about how we do that. Otherwise, we'd be inviting more issues like the last one, unfortunately, did.

 
Right, forgot about that. Thank you. Let's look at the list, shall we?
 

Super Moderators
 
Night
Flame Dragon
Sakura

Local Moderators
 
- News: Night
- Questions & Help (and subsections): Sakura
- Comments & Suggestions: Night
- Introductions: Sakura
 
- Advanced Cards & subsections: Sakura
- Casual Cards & subsections: Sakura
- Duel Portal: Sakura
- Card Contests: Sakura
- 1v1 Contests: Sakura

- Yugioh TCG & OCG Card Discussion: Broke. N
- Yugioh Banlists and Theory: Broke. N
- Yugioh TCG Decks: Broke. N
- Other TCG: Flame Dragon
- Other TCG Decks: Flame Dragon

- Creative Writing: Zai
- Role Playing: Zai
- Graphic Showcase / Tutorials: Night, Smear
- Graphic Competitions: Night, Smear
- Graphic Shops / Requests: Night, Smear
 
- Animation & Graphic Novels: Smear
- Film & Literature: Smear
- Video Games: Flame Dragon
- Music

- General & Polls / Blogs subsections: Dad
- Debates subsection: Dad
- Clubs & Organizations: Dad
- Miscellaneous & Games: Dad
 
Public Relations (PR)
 
Zai


It still needs to be updated following Smear's resignation, which leaves the Multimedia with almost no leadership beyond Flame Dragon in Video Games. This is especially bad when, after I made sure to work on new rules with Yin to discourage visiting illegal streaming sites, Sakura will just casually tell people to go watch VRAINS on DailyMotion or other pirate sites, even though Yin and I took special care to ensure that people wouldn't be doing exactly what Sakura is encouraging.

 

So I'd like there to be someone who can actually take care of the rest of Multimedia. Preferably not Sakura, if he thinks he can just ignore the rules that previous mods worked together to establish.


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A wild bird appears. Josh asked me to step in and make my opinion on this stuff known, so... I'm gonna take the time to do that now. It won't be as fleshed out and detailed as his post was, mainly because... Well, it's all stuff that's been said at this point.
 
 

If you do still care, and you want better for the forum, you have to show it. Actions speak louder than words.
Maybe that'll involve bugging your fellow mods to come online for a group meeting at this time or next week or whenever. Or it can be including an ETA like with the Birdie thing, "I understand you all are rallying for Birdie to rejoin, please give us about a week to get back to you." Even if you're telling someone they need to wait and it'll be another week because you need to hear from 3 more people, it's better to receive some form of acknowledgement than nothing at all. 
Maybe I'm underestimating the difficulty in doing this and rallying the troops. But I've seen ex-mods criticize the status quo like Black, Koko, Yui, and Roxas, so I believe their experience lends the perspective that change is doable, but isn't being done.
If you do care about being a mod and YCM, and you envision yourself being here a few more years and beyond, I ask that you not take the role for granted just because there's some unspoken tenure and recognize that members are feeling shunned and not really being listened to.

 
Fusion kinda hit the nail on the head for me.
 
No matter what, it feels like... We're just running into the same wall, over and over. It feels like no one on the mod team wants to take a step to making change because that change might negatively affect them, at least that's how it's felt up to now. With Dad taking more of a step forward, and Flame coming forward, it's nice to see a bit of a fire to make things change, and the way the users are kinda... Well, united in a way that hasn't happened so far.
 
The fact that I got complete radio silence after saying that I was open to rejoining the team, I just wanted it to get a proper discussion with the users first was kinda the beginning of the end for my patience. I was already on a shorter string, since I've been there with Josh for everything that he's been through trying to push some change, and hearing about the way things had gone for him when he did it...
 
Chapter 5 of Danganronpa V3 ended up opening some old wounds for him too, so that kinda got me thinking more and more.
 

Would Bree even be willing to return @North & Black?
 
She mentioned this place was getting her down when she took her recent break

 
I'll probably still be taking January off. The constant struggle to get stuff done was really getting to me, and I just wanted a break from it. But for now, I'm here and I'm willing to put in my input for what it's worth.
 

Restructuring the Mod Team

 

It needs to be done. Badly. The way things are right now are just unsustainable. It feels too much like an echo chamber, where "Are we wrong? No, no it's the members."
 
Flame should be the leader, but despite everything, it feels like he's still not too... Sure about the role. I get that, I get being uncertain about what kind of actions you should take, if you should be more forceful or if it's better to be passive about things. The thing about being a leader is you have to be able to read the mood and know which is better at a given time. It isn't easy, but we know it's not gonna be a perfect process. None of the prior Supers were one hundred percent perfect, as long as you acknowledge a mistake as a mistake, and are willing to make things right, I don't think most of us will have excessive issues with you. I honestly think you have it in you, I know it can be hard to take those steps though. Part of the issue people have with the team is not owning up to mistakes, if you can do that, which you're certainly one of the better ones at handling that, I think you can handle leading the team as time goes on.
 
Night, as much as I like the dude, barely exists at this point. He pops in maybe once in a blue moon on the actual forums, so even if he's adding stuff behind the scenes a little more regularly, it's not much help for us. I don't hate him, if he was around more regularly, I probably wouldn't have much to say, but... Not being around is such a damning thing right now. I can understand real life obligations causing issues for someone being around, but when it's a Super Mod, it's... Pretty bad for everyone involved. Which is the entire site. The issue is, as was mentioned, last time there was an attempt to demote him, he popped up the next day...
 
Sakura is concerning to me, once again. He had a huge upswing for a while, but upon being promoted, it's like that all disappeared. He seems more robotic, more confrontational, and a lot more defensive. I think it's the stress of the position, like Josh said, and I think Sakura is fine in Custom Cards, but it seems more reasonable that he might not be able to handle the more overarching Super Mod role. Hell, I wouldn't want to be a Super Mod, I was happy to be a normal mod trying to sort out the PR stuff while I could do it, Super Mod is a damn lot of pressure. It's okay to feel like it's overwhelming. But his response to it, saying that because it's just the 'same people making the same complaints' isn't okay. It's dismissive, it's hand waving, and it's a reason why those complaints keep coming up... And now there's more than just the 'usual' people making them.
 
Zai has literally nothing left that I can say about him. I don't think he's the worst mod to ever be on the site, but... I've made my stance on him very clear, I don't think he can handle the PR role very well, and my presence in RP isn't strong enough for me to say anything about that.
 
Dad was worrying me when he stepped down. He said he was going through some shit, and it showed. He was a lot more aggressive for a while there, and I was worried he was going to snap or something. I was legit concerned about his well being...
 
But when he returned to the team, he seemed to have himself in order again. He's been tense from time to time, but that's not bad on it's own. He's been trying to do the right thing, and I respect that. It's a hard position, trying to do the right thing without giving into every demand, it's a fine line to toe, and I think he's been doing a good job with it again. I'm glad my concerns weren't proven right on this one, cause I want Dad to do well. It was sad when he stepped down, and I'm glad he's back.
 
Broken is still too new for me to have a solid grasp, especially since I don't go into TCG as much anymore. I trust Josh's judgement, if he hasn't fucked up and he keeps on not fucking up, it'll hopefully be fine. It feels like he toned back most of the abrasiveness of his personality, though... I have seen some passive aggressive stuff. But we all get passive aggressive. That alone isn't damning or anything.
 

Mod Team Size

 

Like Roxas noted, there's been a clear trend towards downsizing the mod team. That isn't inherently a bad thing, but it has created this issue where things just get bogged down in that mindset. The mod team decided, after cutting off a few inactive moderators, that they didn't need to replace them.
 
I get that you don't want to look like you're overmoderating the site for the activity it gets, but it's caused the team to stagnant the same way it did when the inactive members were still there. Now you just don't have the justification of stagnation as "We were waiting to hear from the inactive people".
 

Sakura already has CC. He's been the sole mod of it since Gadj stepped down.

Also, as for structure before additions, I agree. I don't think a fully realized structure could be figured out with the current staff, but taking full stock of what they have and what everyone brings to the table is important, so that they actually know what they need when bringing someone new on.

Right, I'm aware he already has it. Sorry, that was poor phrasing on my part.
 
I don't expect there to be a full realized structure. More than anything, I think the process of trying to shake things up will show that they don't have a full structure, so it would do more to highlight where they're lacking. It's taking full stock of what they have, and revealing what they don't.

 

I agree with both of these. I think that a clearer ladder of the current mods needs to be realized, probably resulting in something like Flame being at the top, as the defacto leader now, then figuring out where the other mods really fit into the equation...

 

Then after that, bringing on some new blood is probably unavoidable. The team is small, yeah, and small can be united, but united isn't great when you're united against the member base rather than along with it. The mod team shouldn't feel like a force fighting against the users. Kayden said that it can be hard to do the right thing, especially when it involves admitting you're wrong... The mod team needs new blood on it who can do that. Who can realize that they've made a mistake and admit it when they make a mistake, then actually follow through on making it right.

 

I agree with what Roxas said earlier, about Flame being the only person really feeling fit to be a Super Mod at the moment. We definitely should have more than just him on the roster for it, but... It's hard to say who it should be, with the team being as tiny as it is at the moment. Once the team grows a bit, I would say look and see who feels most fit from the group that was added, and give a trial run for it. If it goes well, great! If not, we're just back at step one, most likely.

 

PR Moderator Position

 

I understand why Roxas felt that it could be abolished. I didn't agree with him, because... Well, it didn't feel like the current team had the capability to handle that happening. It's been shown before, and learning to address concerns that the member base has isn't something that happens overnight. It takes some time and patience, and having someone who's able to do that for the team in the meantime is, well, important. A lot of what happens on the site is because of poor communication. Hell, what happened with Dae's name is just more proof to that.

 

I don't think the position is ready to be abolished yet. 

 

 

This is just my thoughts at the moment, and they're... Well, a little scattered. I haven't been keeping up with everything that happened, I learned about the issue with Dae's name and stuff second... Third-hand? From Kayden and Josh, so I don't know all the details, but from what I do know, those are my thoughts right now.


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PR Moderator Position

 

I understand why Roxas felt that it could be abolished. I didn't agree with him, because... Well, it didn't feel like the current team had the capability to handle that happening. It's been shown before, and learning to address concerns that the member base has isn't something that happens overnight. It takes some time and patience, and having someone who's able to do that for the team in the meantime is, well, important. A lot of what happens on the site is because of poor communication. Hell, what happened with Dae's name is just more proof to that.

 

I don't think the position is ready to be abolished yet. 

 

I agree with this. The way I see it, the team has given a good reason for why it could be abolished. However, until they can live up to that, it shouldn't be abolished. Either abolish the position, and have every mod improve their PR skills, or if the rest of the team cannot be more reliable for communication, then we are going to need a dedicated PR mod. Pick one option or the other, because right now, it just seems like the team has picked the worst part of both.


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So I wanna say something real quick since the topic is being touched on.  This bit about "getting someone to challenge us" is something I'm pitching in the forum (something I started early last night either right before or after Black's status (at least I think it was Black)).  

 

I haven't taken it up with the rest of the team to even mention some of this yet in public, but I'll take my lickings if I need to.  Ain't nun.  But before I make another announcement I will go back to the mod forum.  This one is a little bit more sensitive so I can't afford to fuck it up.  Just expect something hopefully within 24 hours.  No promises.


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So I wanna say something real quick since the topic is being touched on.  This bit about "getting someone to challenge us" is something I'm pitching in the forum (something I started early last night either right before or after Black's status (at least I think it was Black)).  

 

I haven't taken it up with the rest of the team to even mention some of this yet in public, but I'll take my lickings if I need to.  Ain't nun.  But before I make another announcement I will go back to the mod forum.  This one is a little bit more sensitive so I can't afford to fuck it up.  Just expect something hopefully within 24 hours.  No promises.

 

Thanks for taking this to the Mod forum. I apologize if I was a bit harsh yesterday but we are all yearning for the kick up the bum that the team needs. However much I hate Crab Helmet, at least he kept the forum in check.

 

 I'm not asking for robotic perfection, just a mod team who cares.


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PR Moderator Position

 

I understand why Roxas felt that it could be abolished. I didn't agree with him, because... Well, it didn't feel like the current team had the capability to handle that happening. It's been shown before, and learning to address concerns that the member base has isn't something that happens overnight. It takes some time and patience, and having someone who's able to do that for the team in the meantime is, well, important. A lot of what happens on the site is because of poor communication. Hell, what happened with Dae's name is just more proof to that.

 

I don't think the position is ready to be abolished yet.

If you're suggesting the team needs a PR mod or two again, I don't mind stepping up to the plate (and not backing down like last year). Correct me if I'm wrong or point it out if I'm just blindly tooting my own horn here, but I seemed to be one of the more well-liked mods while I was briefly on the team, which is important for the position, as well as one of the preferred picks for PR when it first happened (not gonna touch on the negatives of that whole thing; 2018's a year for optimism and good things!). Running General and Debates during Dad's hiatus also familiarized me with the section people seemed most concerned about me having to get involved with, and it all went pretty smoothly. No reason they can't bring you back as a PR mod too, come to think of it.

 

Also, rewinding a bit so that this isn't entirely about PR (I probably came off as kinda eager to grab the job; this isn't quite the case).

 

I'm okay with Sakura having CC.

 

No matter how dead Showcase may be, that doesn't exactly mean it's okay for Night to disappear.

If I know one thing about the current mods, Sakura has CC well under control yeah. Dude could probably run the whole site himself if we let him and he had enough spare time. As for Showcase, I'd agree that Night shouldn't be taken off entirely, and I was trying not to say it, but I also agree that with his current activity levels, he shouldn't be a super. It would probably be good to bump him down to a regular mod and see how everything looks once that's done and the team has a stable number of members that isn't as small as it currently is.


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Can someone please justify why Night should remain a mod?

 

Like I somewhat get people feeling bad for Zai, but people have been calling for Night to step down for almost 2 years now. Aix's literal resignation post was about how Night hasn't  been doing anything. Like c'mon, he might be iconic or something. Give him a member group. I'm just not seeing what he's done recently to merit a Showcase mod spot. A position that anyone from Thar to Dae to Tormy merit more

 

This isn't a sentimental affair guys. (1) is X doing their job 

 

Y- retain

 

N- sack

 

Seems to me the the team and certain members are hellbent on keeping the current mod team alive in some way or the other even if it means putting people into pointless positions 


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Can someone please justify why Night should remain a mod?

 

The only thing that can justify this is that his section has so little activity that it doesn't currently need his attention.  Even then, I can't fight for Night.


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Y'all motherfackers write too much dangnabit

 

Anyway, wow there were three posts since I started reading this page....

 

So it seems that the general idea is that we really do need a sorta power shift, which has been the theme throughout this thread.

 

I'd like to note that in my experience the mod team in general seems really really really intent on not adding more mods for reasons I don't understand so I'd like to hear from them why they think the smaller number is preferred.


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