[COD] Diabolos Support

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 
Ankoku no Ma-Oh Diabolos / Darkest Diabolos, Lord of the Lair
Dark Dragon / Effect

LV8 3000/2000

You can only use each of this card name's (1) and (3) effects once per turn.
(1) If a DARK monster you control is Tributed while this card is in your hand or GY: You can Special Summon this card.
(2) Your opponent can neither Tribute this card, nor target this card with effects.
(3) You can Tribute 1 DARK monster you control; make your opponent place 1 card from their hand to the top or bottom of their Deck.
 
Akumajou Lilith / Lilith, Lady of Lament
Dark Fiend / Effect
LV3 2000/0
You can only use this card name's (2) effect once per turn.
(1) The original ATK of this Normal Summoned card becomes 1000.
(2) (Quick Effect): You can Tribute 1 DARK monster; reveal 3 Normal Trap Cards from your Deck, have your opponent randomly pick 1 of them to Set to your field, and if they do, shuffle the other cards into the Deck.
 
Akuoh Afrima / Afrima, King of Wickedness
Dark Fiend / Effect
LV4 1700/0
You can only use this card name's (2) effect once per turn.
(1) You can discard this card; add 1 "Lair of Darkness" from your Deck to your hand.
(2) You can Tribute 1 DARK monster; draw 1 card. If you Tributed a DARK monster other than this card to activate this effect, you can add 1 DARK monster with 2000 or more DEF from your Deck to your hand, instead of drawing.

Make Chaos Dragons Great Again

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

(2) (Quick Effect): You can Tribute 1 DARK monster; reveal 3 Normal Trap Cards from your Deck, have your opponent randomly pick 1 of them to Set to your field, and if they do, shuffle the other cards into the Deck.

 

 

Muh God that's Critias's Music

 

[Atypical-Abbie]

Diabolos, wow this is pretty crazy, from the GY as well and no banishing? That's crazy. I do wonder, is it your opponent's choice where to place it? Because otherwise why have it at the bottom?

 

Lilith, Lady of Lament, nice nice, has stats that work well with Virus cards, easy searching for various kinds of Traps, good stuff.

 

Afrima, King of Wickedness, having seen the Field, that can be very useful. As Terraforming is nerfed in the OCG that also helps. The draw/search is also neat, not sure what it can grab, sure there are good stuff in there.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Diabolos, wow this is pretty crazy, from the GY as well and no banishing? That's crazy. I do wonder, is it your opponent's choice where to place it? Because otherwise why have it at the bottom?

 

Lilith, Lady of Lament, nice nice, has stats that work well with Virus cards, easy searching for various kinds of Traps, good stuff.

 

Afrima, King of Wickedness, having seen the Field, that can be very useful. As Terraforming is nerfed in the OCG that also helps. The draw/search is also neat, not sure what it can grab, sure there are good stuff in there.

Every Critias Target, Infinite Transience, every Virus Card

[Draconus297]

You forgot to put up the name for the Diabolos retrain.

 

I'm glad you share my enthusiasm for Lilith being Critias support, White. This stuff is looking like loads of fun.

 

Afrima is some ridiculous sheet once Lair of Darkness is on board- Tributing your opponent's monsters to use as fodder for a draw effect is absolutely insane, and if you do get into the unlikely (pfft) situation where your opponent is running DARK monsters, you get to search a big boy instead? Yes please.

 

As for Neo New Diabolos . . . It's a Melody target that can easily Summon itself, is immune to Kaijus, and can do some sweet sweet hand control. It's pretty damned good!

 

Now the agonizing wait for this SD to hit the TCG.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

You forgot to put up the name for the Diabolos retrain.

 

I'm glad you share my enthusiasm for Lilith being Critias support, White. This stuff is looking like loads of fun.

 

Afrima is some ridiculous sheet once Lair of Darkness is on board- Tributing your opponent's monsters to use as fodder for a draw effect is absolutely insane, and if you do get into the unlikely (pfft) situation where your opponent is running DARK monsters, you get to search a big boy instead? Yes please.

 

As for Neo New Diabolos . . . It's a Melody target that can easily Summon itself, is immune to Kaijus, and can do some sweet sweet hand control. It's pretty damned good!

 

Now the agonizing wait for this SD to hit the TCG.

It's actually not such an agonizing wait.

Structure Deck R: Curse of the Dark is coming out next month in the OCG.

Structure Deck: Lair of Darkness, however, is coming out in the TCG in April, giving us an unprecedented 1-month turnover between OCG and TCG release.

 

As for the cards, I love them. Darkest Diabolos triggers off of all sorts of stuff, and both Lilith and Afrima help to further the strategy of the Deck.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You forgot to put up the name for the Diabolos retrain.

 

I'm glad you share my enthusiasm for Lilith being Critias support, White. This stuff is looking like loads of fun.

 

Afrima is some ridiculous sheet once Lair of Darkness is on board- Tributing your opponent's monsters to use as fodder for a draw effect is absolutely insane, and if you do get into the unlikely (pfft) situation where your opponent is running DARK monsters, you get to search a big boy instead? Yes please.

 

As for Neo New Diabolos . . . It's a Melody target that can easily Summon itself, is immune to Kaijus, and can do some sweet sweet hand control. It's pretty damned good!

 

Now the agonizing wait for this SD to hit the TCG.

I'm just really fond of building Virus Dragons again. I didn't even think of Melody, but this can set up Chaos Dragons so well. You can discard Wyvern and banish one of these. You can Diabolos to the grave to summon LPD. The baby Chaos Dragons trigger off being tributed. Between Dragons and Virus you can have a constant assault on the opponent

[Hallohallo]

Since Winter is incompetent, the first monster's name is Ankoku no Ma-Oh Diabolos / Darkest Diabolos, Lord of the Lair.

[Darj]

They are solid enough, but evil me wishes these were better and threatened the meta a bit more. For instance, the Diabolos' 3rd effect could have been a Quick Effect and also pick a card on the board, the Trap searched by Lilith could have been activable in the turn it's Set, and so on. I know I'm asking for things that are questionable at best, but come on, I like to see overpowering stuff every now and then, too. Besides, it's a personal bias because IMO Diabolos deserves to be good already: its original form wasn't really good, and its Lightray form was hindered by its rather steep summoning condition.

[Atypical-Abbie]

They are solid enough, but evil me wishes these were better and threatened the meta a bit more. For instance, the Diabolos' 3rd effect could have been a Quick Effect and also pick a card on the board, the Trap searched by Lilith could have been activable in the turn it's Set, and so on. I know I'm asking for things that are questionable at best, but come on, I like to see overpowering stuff every now and then, too. Besides, it's a personal bias because IMO Diabolos deserves to be good already: its original form wasn't really good, and its Lightray form was hindered by its rather steep summoning condition.

Let's not encourage Virus to become meta. I am not a fan of Decks that don't let the opponent play, these cards are specific enough to not have done that too much in the past, now they sort of can, but it shouldn't become anything more than that.

[Blake]

Diabolos, wow this is pretty crazy, from the GY as well and no banishing? That's crazy. I do wonder, is it your opponent's choice where to place it? Because otherwise why have it at the bottom?

What's hard to understand about that?

 

While placing on top will cause dead draws, if you know the identity of the card(s) in your opponents hand due to searching or equivalent, then you can choose to put it on the bottom.

 

I don't see what's wrong with a little extra utility.

[Blake]

Hate to double post, but IT IS TIME

 

 

Brought this up after I saw a guy use it in D/D, because I didn't even realize that it existed. I was wondering when it could potentially be relevant, and that time could be now.

 

The lesser interaction is with Lilith, because it gives her an extra body to sack while maintaining her 2000 ATK, which does give it a potential edge over cards that similarly SS themselves. (you can also TGU into a 2k beater now?)

 

The more important one is with Afrima (henceforth doggo). If doggo tributes something other than itself, like Ghost, you get to search Diabolos... Who, unless I'm mistaken, benefits from the Stick/Chair ruling. This means that you can just turn Ghost into Diabolos from the deck, who can just sack doggo in order to funk with your opp's hand. Probably a Main Phase 2 thing.

 

It's also a Crush Card target, if that's relevant.

[Dragulas]

When I heard Neo diabolos had a Self SS effect, I did expect this kind of interaction (being summoned when a monster is tributed) i wanted it to be more like a dark dragon ruler but i wont complain. Hand disruption effect should ve been a quick effect as stated above by Darj. Dark Support is always nice, give them something else to spam the field and i will be happy.

 

Also Darkest diabolos lord of the lair sounds a little silly if you ask me, king of the abyssal darkness was cool

What's hard to understand about that?
 

While placing on top will cause dead draws, if you know the identity of the card(s) in your opponents hand due to searching or equivalent, then you can choose to put it on the bottom.

 

I don't see what's wrong with a little extra utility.

I think he was asking if the one who chooses where to place the card is diabolos controller or its opponent, your opponent having that choice makes it less potent (just a little), if its you well its another story.

[VCR_CAT]

Darkest Diabolos for spiciest Cardian meme ever. Joking (kinda) aside, I like how the Lair field spell lets Super Koikoi tribute an opponent's monster. Okay okay I'm done joking, but hey I like how Afrima can search any 2000/2000 Cardian! Lilith can set "No Cheaters Allowed"?

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 Lilith can set "No Cheaters Allowed"?

Fraud Freeze is a Continuous Trap. Lilith can only search Normal Traps.

[VCR_CAT]

Fraud Freeze is a Continuous Trap. Lilith can only search Normal Traps.

 

rip the drem

[vla1ne]

I would like to take this moment to point out that lilith would work wonders in paleo decks, simply because you don't need your normal, and this gives you any trap, especially if you happen to be running 3 of them. and considering something like absolute king back jack are already really good in the deck, i'm starting to think a paleo fiend variant might be worth throwing together.

 

also, lilith can search out things like breakthrough skill, skill prisoner, and void feast, making it a potential tech in infernoid variants as well (who also don't care about their normal summon).

[Sleepy]

I now would like to get a searcher for the Legendary Dragons please.

Also, this potential for hand disruption gives me an idea. Maybe a casual deck can pop up dedicated to a more consistent than ever turn 1 Mazera Deville. xP

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I would like to take this moment to point out that lilith would work wonders in paleo decks, simply because you don't need your normal, and this gives you any trap, especially if you happen to be running 3 of them. and considering something like absolute king back jack are already really good in the deck, i'm starting to think a paleo fiend variant might be worth throwing together.

You can bet that I was thinking about this as soon as it was revealed to be a Virus themed deck. I like Lilith, but between revealing what you have Set and where; not having that smol bonus of being Level 2; being a monster, which counteracts both Anomal's and Back Jack's excavate effects; and not really being able to access that sweet sweet 2k properly, I really don't think it'd be worth it.

 

I could be super wrong though. Either way I'm defo planning to buy 3 of this deck to try and build some sort of Paleo variant, even if it funking sucks.

[vla1ne]

You can bet that I was thinking about this as soon as it was revealed to be a Virus themed deck. I like Lilith, but between revealing what you have Set and where; not having that smol bonus of being Level 2; being a monster, which counteracts both Anomal's and Back Jack's excavate effects; and not really being able to access that sweet sweet 2k properly, I really don't think it'd be worth it.

 

I could be super wrong though. Either way I'm defo planning to buy 3 of this deck to try and build some sort of Paleo variant, even if it f***ing sucks.

I thought the same for a second, but considering the sheer variety of traps in paleo decks (and being able to chain them/draw attention away from bigger threat cards) your opponent knowing what you got isn't too big of a problem. not being a level 2 sucks, but if you're using it at all, it's not going to be for an Xyz summon, and it can still be used for link summons, assuming you have an appropriate link monster in the ED, back jack lets you rearrange the top 3 of your deck on death, so she doesn't hurt him that much, if you've dropped anomalocaris, you're already likely to be ahead, and the trap searching is almost just icing on the cake in comparison to the quick popping effect, not to mention opabinia is usually more than capable of restoring advantage if you need it. sure, you can't get the 2K, but like earlier, if you're running her, it's more likely that you're running her for the tribute search than the ATK.

 

you aren't really wrong, but there's definitely more than enough potential gain in running it to justify the attempt.

[Dragulas]

I ve been wondering would be possible to build a D-HERO/Tele dad-ish deck with this cards?

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I ve been wondering would be possible to build a D-HERO/Tele dad-ish deck with this cards?

I've been thinking about this too, or at least Malicious considering you can use him for tributing.

 

Oh and vla1ne I will defo attempt this. The points I bring up against Lilith aren't supposed to be things that outright kill the card, just things that make it worse, until perhaps it's not worth running.

[Darj]

Let's not encourage Virus to become meta. I am not a fan of Decks that don't let the opponent play, these cards are specific enough to not have done that too much in the past, now they sort of can, but it shouldn't become anything more than that.

 

Why not? You may not like it, but IMO that doesn't mean it shouldn't be a thing. Besides, at the end it's Konami's call. I for one would like to see Virus become meta, at least for a format and even if it takes an "emergency banlist" afterwards.

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Why not? You may not like it, but IMO that doesn't mean it shouldn't be a thing. Besides, at the end it's Konami's call. I for one would like to see Virus become meta, at least for a format and even if it takes an "emergency banlist" afterwards.

 

 

Besides, at the end it's Konami's call.

 

 

it's Konami's call

 

...yeah it is. And Konami chose to make them exactly as strong as they did, not any stronger.

 

Honestly why would you want Diabolos to be a quick effect? Then I can just T1 field Diabolos and any other Dark monster (which is super easy), tribute the other Dark for Diabolos and in my opponent's Standby have Diabolos tribute itself for its effect again, and my opponent starts with a 4 card hand. funk that. Not saying it'd be meta but funk playing against that

 

Also if you wanted to be super popular you could go Edea+Eidos into Erebus and trigger DIabolos off Eidos being Tributed, then shuffle one of your opponent's cards and do the above also, then they get a 3 card open

[Darj]

...yeah it is. And Konami chose to make them exactly as strong as they did, not any stronger.

 

Honestly why would you want Diabolos to be a quick effect? Then I can just T1 field Diabolos and any other Dark monster (which is super easy), tribute the other Dark for Diabolos and in my opponent's Standby have Diabolos tribute itself for its effect again, and my opponent starts with a 4 card hand. funk that. Not saying it'd be meta but funk playing against that

 

Also if you wanted to be super popular you could go Edea+Eidos into Erebus and trigger DIabolos off Eidos being Tributed, then shuffle one of your opponent's cards and do the above also, then they get a 3 card open

 

Why? For the glory of Diabolos, of course!

I for one would like to see that kind of devastation. Also it's not that different to decks that drop 2+ Omega, Trishula, etc. on Turn1, so you can't say that such levels of power have not been reached before. Now, I'm not saying it's fair and that it should be the norm, but it's something I personally want because I want to see Diabolos at the top at least once.

 

Besides, I was mostly replying to the "I don't like it so it shouldn't be a thing" answer from Zaziuma, which I don't agree with. What one likes or dislikes doesn't dictate what things should or shouldn't be. Likewise, I understand that what I like or want doesn't necessarily should be a thing, but I can only but wish. May sound like a nitpick, but I did say I wished they were stronger, but I'm not saying they should be.