Ryusei the Morning Star Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Ankoku Sekai - Shadow Dystopia - / Lair of DarknessSpell Field(1) All face-up monsters on the field become DARK-Attribute. (2) Once per turn, if you would Tribute a monster(s) to activate a card effect, you can Tribute 1 DARK monster your oppont controls as if you controlled it. (3) Once per turn, during the End Phase: Special Summon as many "Shadow Tokens" (Fiend/DARK/Level 3/ATK 1000/DEF 1000) to the Turn Player's field in Defense Position as possible, up to the number of monsters that were Tributed this turn while this card was face-up. Aku no Deck Hakai Virus / Grinning Grave VirusTrap Normal(1) Tribute 1 DARK monster with 3000 or less ATK; your opponent destroys 1 card from their hand and/or Deck, equal to every 500 ATK that monster had. If you Tributed a monster with 2000 or more ATK to activate this card, check all cards your opponent draws until the end of their 3rd turn after this card's activation, and destroy all drawn monsters. All monsters destroyed by this card's effect cannot activate their effect(s) during the turn they are destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Lair of Darkness, interesting, very powerful with the Virus cards as well, remove a monster from field and get rid of their hand as well. The Tokens will help the new monsters since not having a field is annoying when you want to grab the Virus cards, so that helps a lot. Grinning Grave Virus, odd but as it can Tribute almost all your DARK monsters it becomes live a lot, so that's useful. As it's also able to get the Deck, that is what makes it not that great, though the destruction of all monsters drawn is also powerful. Conflicted on a lot of levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Lair is really, really powerful, it can tribute monsters for the new diabolos monsters (including the discard) [with spell speed 1] and with the virus line-up (which is now searchable) [spell speed 2].The second one is basicly a spell speed 2 kaiju under lair and otherwise a nice usage for lilith and diabolos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 wait... so if im reading that right, the field spell makes all virus traps into kaiju cards now? if so, i already know exactly what deck i'm running that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokutah Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 the Field tribute for ANY card effect... does Ritual counts? Amorphage? i think we have something here guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 the Field tribute for ANY card effect... does Ritual counts? Amorphage? i think we have something here guysnope. It means that you can tribute your opponent's monster as part of a cost to activate a card effect. Ritual Spells don't tribute as cost, they tribute as part of their effect. Amorphages tribute as a maintenance cost, which is a condition, not an effect, and nothing is being activated. Neither Ritual Spells nor Amorphages work with the Field Spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokutah Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 ah it is. my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 The virus is cool but whats the point of the card if my opponent is going choose his deck 99% of the times, regardless of the no effect activation clause.Its a potential foolish for 1 (at worst). On the side note, I was expecting the new virus to also include searching fro some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 The virus is cool but whats the point of the card if my opponent is going choose his deck 99% of the times, regardless of the no effect activation clause.Its a potential foolish for 1 (at worst). On the side note, I was expecting the new virus to also include searching fro some reasonit still kills any monster drawn if you sacrifice anything above 2k, and nothing your opponent draws is going to save them anyways if you're running eradicator and this, since that means you can kill up to 2/3rds of your opponent's deck. assuming you know the matchup. that combination is almost an auto-win. also, after some thinking about it, the field spell is almost better in infernoids than their actual field spell. you might give your opponent tokens during ther end phase, but said tokens could make at least 3 infernoids hit even harder (ononcu and devyaty tribute for cost, meaning you could have 1 free removal per turn, and the level 7 banishes after swinging, and tokens are about a safe to swing on as it gets. also decatron, assuming he's copying either of the 2 bosses) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 That field spell... Man, each Infernoid basically has a quick effect non-targeting removal/banish effect with it up... Then there's cute stuff like using Paladin of Felgrand to bring out Diablos from your Deck while tributing an opponent's monster. Or Share the Pain to force tribute 2 opponent's monsters. Decode Talker legitimately being able to tribute the opponent's monster it points to (Maybe? Gimme a ruling confirmation on this). It's got some silly applications for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 That field spell... Man, each Infernoid basically has a quick effect non-targeting removal/banish effect with it up... Then there's cute stuff like using Paladin of Felgrand to bring out Diablos from your Deck while tributing an opponent's monster. Or Share the Pain to force tribute 2 opponent's monsters. Decode Talker legitimately being able to tribute the opponent's monster it points to (Maybe? Gimme a ruling confirmation on this). It's got some silly applications for sure.I think the tribute foder still needs to meet the conditions for x card, so it still has to piont to the monster (the way i see it), for decode case it turns it into noobcode talker. Share the pain wont work unfortunately, Lair only applies for tribute cost and even though share tributes for no effect it does it at resolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Best Male 2008 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I think the tribute foder still needs to meet the conditions for x card, so it still has to piont to the monster (the way i see it), for decode case it turns it into noobcode talker. Share the pain wont work unfortunately, Lair only applies for tribute cost and even though share tributes for no effect it does it at resolution Share the Pain tributes as cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Share the Pain tributes as cost.My bad there, i dont know why i always think share the pain makes both players tribute a monster at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 this is the single most disgusting play i've thought of. and i love it. also, for the koa'ki meiru rock monsters, does their self tribute apply to this as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 this is the single most disgusting play i've thought of. and i love it.Winter already suggested it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatMed Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 well, all are interesting combos on paper, but again, consistency is a betch.Other than that I'm pretty sure these will get hit eventually, especially if the next supports are as good as what we currently have. I'm not complaining tho I really love them <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I have to assume that the field spell doesn't let you tribute during your opponent's turn, otherwise every Infernoid turns into a quickplay Dark Core... I still might try it out, if DevPro ever updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 You can. As long as it's an effect that Tributes things, you can Tribute your opponent's DARK monsters. You could, hypothetically, GGV a Trickstar player using their own Lycoris on their turn to make them kill 3 cards in their own Deck, and because they can't use the Graveyard effects of the things they send that turn, you have an opportunity to remove said things from their Graveyard before any effects can be used. You could CCV a Pendulum Magician player and kill their Harmonizing in the process. Yubel maniacs can Tribute their opponent's sheet during the End Phase to keep their boss waifu alive. Et cetera, et cetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Are you sure?It doesn't say during either player's turn or (quick effect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Best Male 2008 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Are you sure?It doesn't say during either player's turn or (quick effect). It's a continuous effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Krow beat me to it. If the translation is correct, then it's a Continuous Effect, and those don't need clauses like "during either player's turn" to apply in both turns. (e.g. Verdant Sacntuary). You can. As long as it's an effect that Tributes things, you can Tribute your opponent's DARK monsters. You could, hypothetically, GGV a Trickstar player using their own Lycoris on their turn to make them kill 3 cards in their own Deck, and because they can't use the Graveyard effects of the things they send that turn, you have an opportunity to remove said things from their Graveyard before any effects can be used. You could CCV a Pendulum Magician player and kill their Harmonizing in the process. Yubel maniacs can Tribute their opponent's sheet during the End Phase to keep their boss waifu alive. Et cetera, et cetera. A correction here: Yubel Tributes as part of her effect, not for the activation of an effect. So this card's effect wouldn't apply in that case. And answering the question on the Koa'ki Meiru rocks asked above, AFAIK you would indeed be able to Tribute an opponent's monster instead. Rock Stun just got better? Funnily enough the Tokens are Fiends, so... Dark Calling pro tech anyone? Bonus since as Tokens their DARK Attribute won't interfere with Block Golem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 And answering the question on the Koa'ki Meiru rocks asked above, AFAIK you would indeed be able to Tribute an opponent's monster instead. Rock Stun just got better? Funnily enough the Tokens are Fiends, so... Dark Calling pro tech anyone? Bonus since as Tokens their DARK Attribute won't interfere with Block Golem. The only issue I'd see with using the Field Spell in Rock Stun is Ties of the Brethren becoming dead while the field spell is up, but other than that, that looks like it'd be a pretty strong application. Probably should let my brother know. He's been sitting on his Rock Stun deck for a while. Speaking of Block Golem, could you tribute an opponent's monster to activate it? I'm assuming not since it does imply that you have to tribute Block Golem itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 The only issue I'd see with using the Field Spell in Rock Stun is Ties of the Brethren becoming dead while the field spell is up, but other than that, that looks like it'd be a pretty strong application. Probably should let my brother know. He's been sitting on his Rock Stun deck for a while. Speaking of Block Golem, could you tribute an opponent's monster to activate it? I'm assuming not since it does imply that you have to tribute Block Golem itself.i was speaking more about pure koaki than rock stun, since things like bergzak would have no trouble breaking through any tokens you may happen to give your opponent, and guardian, sandman, wall, and overload would all be just as powerful regardless. as a bonus, koaki mieru have some really strong monsters like powerhand, (and to limited extent, beetle, drago, or fiend) that could completely beat out many monsters once you forcefully turn them into dark types. block golems tribute isn't a cost, i believe it's part of the resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 The only issue I'd see with using the Field Spell in Rock Stun is Ties of the Brethren becoming dead while the field spell is up, but other than that, that looks like it'd be a pretty strong application. Probably should let my brother know. He's been sitting on his Rock Stun deck for a while. Speaking of Block Golem, could you tribute an opponent's monster to activate it? I'm assuming not since it does imply that you have to tribute Block Golem itself. Block Golem's Tribute is a cost actually, so... yeah, you should be able to Tribute an opponent's monster for Block Golem's effect, unless the additional targeting condition mess up with it somehow. You know what else is rad? Block Golem's effect lacks any OPT clause xD i was speaking more about pure koaki than rock stun, since things like bergzak would have no trouble breaking through any tokens you may happen to give your opponent, and guardian, sandman, wall, and overload would all be just as powerful regardless. as a bonus, koaki mieru have some really strong monsters like powerhand, (and to limited extent, beetle, drago, or fiend) that could completely beat out many monsters once you forcefully turn them into dark types. block golems tribute isn't a cost, i believe it's part of the resolution.Hmm... yeah, the Field can help Koaki Meirus, although Koa'ki Meiru decks with Bergzak and whatnot aren't exactly a thing in the meta. AFAIK they are best played as an engine with Diamond Core, or of course the Rock Stun variant. You can do something with Urnight, Tenki, the Rocks, Dragon for the DARK/LIGHT lock and the aforementioned Bergzak, and maybe Maximus and Ice as a 1-ofs, but I wouldn't rely too much on Powerhand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 How would lair combo with the stun koa ki meiru if they explicitly states themselves as the card that has to be tributed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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