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An Archetype of slow EARTH Machine monsters that use the "skip Phases" mechanic. It includes Pendulums and Ritual monsters which use DEF to be Summoned.

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I might need your opinion. The mechanic is pretty hard to handle, IMO.
 
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Completely changed the Pendulum effects in all monsters. After testing, it was just useless and only created Spell Speed issues.
Simplified the effects of the Level 5 monsters.
 
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Bump! Completely changed some effects after playtesting the Archetype. Some pics added too

Could somebody please take a look at these cards?


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Confirming I will look at this, but it's late and I barely managed to finish Draconus' set. Been meaning to get to it for a while, sorry :(

 

Will either update this with the review, or, if you post after this, I'll make a new post so it's easier to see when I've done it. (no double posting >.>)



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Making a second post so that you can see that I have actually done the review. If mods no like, they can just merge it.

 

Question time first:

 

When does Orologear return to the hand? "and if you" doesn't really say when; can't be the Field Spell, as it only adds monsters. Maybe it means Lanclock? Your Pendulum effects also don't match up with what's written on the image of the card; which one do I go with? Also, does the effect written on the images mean I get to Pendulum Summon three times during each turn? Once for the Standby Phase, once for the Battle Phase, and once for the actual Main Phase one? Why does Time Deity only destroy face-up Spell/Trap Cards? You don't have any other means of destroying Set cards. And, lastly, how exactly does Dejavision work? If I skip my Standby Phase, Main Phase 1, Battle Phase, Main Phase 2, then activate this card to enter to the Standby Phase, what happens when the Standby Phase ends? Do I enter the Main Phase 1 or End Phase?

 

Fun fact, your Field Spell destroys itself if you control any face-down cards, as they are technically not part of the archetype. Perhaps changing it to face-up cards could work? One could argue that controlling Set cards is not so important in a Quick-Play only archetype, but you need those cards in order to actually do things during your opponent's turn. Anyway, good way of making the Field Spell essentially extend to 9 cards, so that the archetype is less likely to brick, and I like how its searchers are all designed in order to make it activatable...but that doesn't change the fact that the archetype can do basically nothing if it doesn't open the Field Spell or one of its searchers. Plugging the math in, you have a 25.8% chance of opening none of the required cards if you go first, and a 19.2% chance of your hand plus the card you draw (either on your next turn or if you're going second) also being empty. That's about a 1 in 4 chance of having an open board every game. Why don't you set a card to remedy this situation? If your opponent does nothing about it (for example, this is the second game in a match), you will be unable to do anything about the problem you have with a field spell. Your only beaters are resource intensive, and unlike the SHS clause, you are required to Pendulum Summon the MD monsters before you can use their attacking effect.  Not to mention you're only getting back resources half the time with your Ritual monsters; monsters which I might add are nothing more than beaters without the Field Spell.

 

The only other card in the entire archetype that skips/ends phases is Prolenses, and that also relies on your Field Spell. 90% of the rest of the archetype does rely on the phase skipping granted by the field spell, not simply making the archetype ineffectual without the Field Spell, but completely dead. Also, as you mentioned, going second does make you dead. That's two big flaws in the archetype that aren't hard at all to exploit. All your opponent has to do is Summon Akashic Magician on their turn, give you a monster...and you're dead.

 

I've spoken about potential hands and the like, but you've playtested this, so you would know more about how they actually played than I do. My major suggestion though is to make a phase skipper that really archetypal, but otherwise not that restricted. Just a Normal or Quick-Play Spell or something; something else to potentially open without dying. Or you could give them more effects that didn't rely on the Field Spell to actually do anything. OR, even better, do both :P

 

Sorry if I sounded harsh; I'm not a huge fan of this mechanic, as it considering the massive skips granted by the field and other cards, preventing your opponent from doing anything during their Main Phase at all unless they have MST or Comic Cyclone, it seems to be a "You win immediately or lose immediate" archetype. But, let me ask; how much back and forth actually is there when you play this? Have you ever seen your opponent regain the upper hand temporarily for you to hit them back? Or does either one or the other happen?



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Answer time first, then.

 

As written on the "edit" part, I changed the Pendulum effects, so clearly the images show the outdated version, since that effect was just impractical to use and not worth it. The text shows the current version of the cards.

Orologear returns to the hand no matter which monster you pick. Forgot the "do" after the "and if you", it was just a typo.

Deity only destroys face-up S/T because it's easy Summonable and if you have the Field Spell on, the condition for that effect is literally "each time a monster(s) is Summoned", so I thought it would've been op.

Déjàvision "nullifies" the effect of the Field Spell, but only if you Summon more monsters at once. If I Pendulum Summon 2 monsters during MP1, MP1 ends, BP gets skipped, (now effects that say "if a Phase is skipped" trigger); then I can use that card to enter the BP and the turn proceeds regularly. In your example, you get MP1, and since there's nothing that say the following Phases have to get skipped, the turn continues normally with the BP.

Might change the Field's autodestruction to "face-up". Thought a face-down card doesn't have a name, as it's not considered a "Twistempo" card, but it's not a "card" either. Those two words may help clarifying.

 

As for the playstyle and bricking attitudine of the Archetype, yes, that was the huge nerf needed to balance that mechanic. Skipping Phases automatically creates an anti-meta slowing Deck, so those restrictions are needed. Not that the Archetype can't do anything without it. It can still use its Pendulum monsters to generate advantage, and the Rituals do last a while).

 

As you noticed, I don't have other cards that skip Phases. Prolenses is literally "one more" after using the Field Spell (also really punishing if your opponent decides to get 2 monsters at once, for example using Zone's effect during the DP to SS 2 monsters). But that's because a card that skips Phases really need a lot of restrictions. So I'd say the fact that there are multiple ways to make this Archetype dead before even it starts its plays kinda balances the fact that once it gets working, the opponent has no escape.

 

After playtesting, there has been one time that I wasn't able to grab the Field Spell first turn, so what? I played it as a regular Pendulum Archetype, blocking the opponent's monsters, until I got the Field, Summoned a Ritual, and then just went with it. Changing effects? Sure, I'm making the Lv5s not relying on skipping a Phase to trigger their recovery effect.

 

And yeah, the SS effect on Zone completely balances everything, since the opponent can not only use it first, but basically gets 2 free Summons. Further testing might reveal other problems and/or solutions. Thanks for the review!


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Missed the edit part lol; my mistake. Makes sense.

 

Two more comments: Firstly, the face-down card being considered a card is something you see in Burning Abyss, as their effects send themselves to the GY if you control a monster that is not a BA monster, and controlling a Set monster, which is not a BA monster, sends them to the GY anyway.

 

As for the phase-skipping, this phrase of yours:

 

So I'd say the fact that there are multiple ways to make this Archetype dead before even it starts its plays kinda balances the fact that once it gets working, the opponent has no escape.

 

I think the main point I was trying to get at was that I disagree with this from a design standpoint, but fun is subjective, and I guess subjugating your opponent is fun for you. I just hate bricking more :P

 

But yeah, again, subjective. I gave my review and you responded well. Glad some people do understand that you're able to listen to what we say while disagreeing with it :3 Happy to give my thoughts!



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Thanks again!

I edited the pics of the monsters so they now show the updated effect (except Pendevice, I gotta find a better not blurry photo).


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Set Rotation would be a cute tech in this Deck. Being a Quick-Play, it could be another way to get out your Field Spell. Shame it's Limited, but if your opponent activates theirs...you're skipping Double Phases :P

 

Have you tried the mirror match?



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Set Rotations require you to run 2 different types of Field Spells, and obv the opponent wouldn't activate it if you give Zone to them.

 

Mirror matches would be crazy. Literally it'd double the effect of Zone. Now I want to try having one :P

 

There's so much to discover about this mechanic

 

EDIT: Added 2 cards to solve the Pendulum and the "if you destroy the Field you have no way of skipping Phases" issues.


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