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Poll: Merge Free Cards back into Casual (13 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you guys want?

  1. Keep Free Cards a separate thing (3 votes [23.08%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  2. Merge all threads into Casual and adjust rules accordingly. (6 votes [46.15%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  3. Make it a subsection of Casual again, and don't modify the rules (4 votes [30.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

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Let's cut to the point. 

 

The separation of Free Cards from the current Casual was intended to give people an area to post cards without having to follow design principles and well, be free to do whatever. This meant breaking the 5000 ATK/DEF cap, Joke Cards and well, everything else that wouldn't fit into Casual as-is.

 

General reasoning for splitting is that some of you who post in Casual Cards do put in some effort for designing and not getting it mixed with broken cards in the area; especially since Joke Cards as a section got retired. 

 

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As you guys probably noticed by now, Free Cards is generally inactive nowadays and after reading things over, yeah, there isn't too much difference between Casual and Free in terms. Unlike the DP area, posts do come in, but very minimal. Also takes away some of the activity from Casual. 

 

I plan on moving all of the threads here into Casual and updating the rules accordingly within a week or so, but before I do that, giving you guys the opportunity to speak up.

 

(Would you like the sections merged back, or the way things are now is good for you? I can always repurpose Free Cards for something else if merging is what you want.)


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Personally I prefer having a place to post without specific rules. If you don't want to have a "Free Cards" section, perhaps we could add a "Cards Workshop" section where people can post their cards to be reviewed to determine how broken they are or aren't, as well as receive advice from more experienced card creators on how to hone their cards. This would avoid incidents like I experienced where I would post cards in Casual thinking they were perfectly fine/balanced...and then have lots of people tell me 70% of them were horribly broken.

 

Basically I'm saying it would be nice to have a proving grounds/workshop of sorts where people can get help and guidance from their fellow creators before posting in one of the more official forums and getting hit with: "This stuff is all broken/unfinished, please post finished cards only."

 

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Well, the intended change for Casual after the merger is basically dropping the design standards (so you won't be held to the same expectations as those in Advanced) and yes, Advanced Clause will be gone. This section's rules will be transferred to Casual for the most part. 

 

You won't be losing much, though a workshopping area could be considered in Free Card's place instead of that design idea thread stickied in Casual. 

 

Basically I'm saying it would be nice to have a proving grounds/workshop of sorts where people can get help and guidance from their fellow creators before posting in one of the more official forums and getting hit with: "This stuff is all broken/unfinished, please post finished cards only."

 

Just my two cents.

 

Just to be clear though, you are not required to post ONLY finished sets or works in Custom Cards. You can just post a bit at a time and work up to completion; along the way, we can just give you insight so you can fix stuff. If anyone else tells you that only finished cards are allowed in the area, then that is an incorrect statement (though Casual is usually where you'd want to workshop stuff otherwise; Advanced...not so much, but that's a different matter).

 

Also is a lot easier to digest for reviewers instead of having to grade several cards at once.

 

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Casual is kind of a design workshop in a way, but moreso somewhere you can try out new ideas without getting chewed out because your card so happens to break something in the meta. 

 

If your stuff is broken, then you can probably fix it so thing isn't as busted but retains your original idea. Idea here is that you didn't INTENTIONALLY make the card to be busted. Let's be honest; not all of us are aware of what's going on in the actual game to the same extent, and to ask that you have a working knowledge of it is a very tall order. 

 

 

I did leave a vote in there, but only so I can actually see who voted what without actually clicking the "show votes" thing every time. The decision is not absolute; right now, it's a given, taking into consideration CC's activity, but I can dial some things back based on feedback. 


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For future reference, while you aren't required to vote in the poll AND explain your reasoning, it helps if you do as then I can address any concerns you may have with the move (or keeping things as-is) and then adjust my decision accordingly.

 

I am not a mind reader, so if you do feel strongly about this one way or another, you need to say it; otherwise, how can I know? I'd like to make this section amicable for everyone, both for newbies and veterans.

 

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As I noted beforehand, the proposed merge would just be moving all of the threads in here to Casual (and categorized into their appropriate sections) and then adapting this section's rules over to Casual. To be fair, the rules in here are generally the same as in here, but with less of the technical stuff like default formats, etc. 

 

Another option would be that I simply make Free Card Design a subsection of Casual Cards again with the design limiters removed; similar to how Joke Cards used to be, but without the stigma that was attached to it. You wouldn't be losing the section or its benefits, but just stuff may be buried in the posts that come out of regular Casual; depending on activity. However, given how the place is nowadays, I don't think it'll be too much of a problem. 

 

Merging things back would require some categorizing [albeit not much, since the section is small] and revamping the rules (but I have a draft for that already in case it happens). Keeping this section where it is now (or even just making it a subsection of Casual again) won't require major changes; would just need to clarify that certain rules in Casual will not apply in Free Cards.

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Though, if you have other options for this section's future, I want to hear them.


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I like the free cards section because it does somewhat help with inspiration. Also, I love seeing what some people can come up with and if there is any viable way to makr that playable. Besides, sometimes it's cool to see a card so broken that it needs so many fixes to the effect so it wouldn't technically be banned by Konami right off the bat. I think cards like that are cool. Like if somebody made a fusion that required 5 Blue-Eyes Shining Dragons to be on the field in order to be summoned. Stuff like that is fun. Granted, it is broken and impossible to summon given the rules of the game. But just the thought of such a beast should be terrifying enough to make your hair stand and skin tingle with excitement.

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I support:

1. Replicate the rules on Free design into Casual Section.

2. Remove Free Design section.

 

IMO there is no need to be too picky with the advanced clause and the like in Casual Section, and reserve those rules for Advanced. Once that is done, Free Design section loses its purpose, and can be scrapped.


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I support:

1. Replicate the rules on Free design into Casual Section.

2. Remove Free Design section.

 

IMO there is no need to be too picky with the advanced clause and the like in Casual Section, and reserve those rules for Advanced. Once that is done, Free Design section loses its purpose, and can be scrapped.

 

The most that needs to be dealt with in terms of posting quality is well, shitposting, but that normally boils down to writing random comments that are irrelevant to the card threads in question. But then again, I can just address the posts as necessary.

 

Also the matter of people who actually want to make decent cards but just aren't as savvy on the competitive / design aspect as required for Advanced, however for the most part, think those cases will normally outweigh the number of "free cards" that don't break the usual design standards in Casual.

 

This is pretty much "don't break the 5,000 threshold for original ATK/DEF" [as I don't really see a reason for needing to exceed these values] and not making things that are obviously busted [if you minus the meta from it]. These will be dropped.

 

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That being said, once things are merged, the reviewing thing for this section will carry over (as in the one where you need to keep metagame things to a minimum).

 

Like I've mentioned in the other thread, you may still reference the metagame, but just don't throw the entire competitive book at people like you would do in Advanced; tone it down for Casual. 

 

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So for guys who would like Free Cards because the design standards are off, yeah, Casual will become that (you're free to do whatever you'd like without being subjected to design standards and whatnot). You'll just be in with the other members who design slightly higher, but it should not affect how you post. 

 

Also, this section will probably be used for other stuff, but what that'll be remains to be seen at the moment (maybe workshopping like a few of you wanted, but we'll get to it later).

 

Let's just handle the merger first before figuring out what to do. 


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I love the idea of workshopping. Give card/set creators time to complete their project before moving it to the appropriate section. It could also allow other users to give input on the design of the set and make suggestions for ocg fixes, card designs, or card ideas they'd wanna see implemented into the set.

Like sometimes, I might have a card idea that might not fit into anything I'm working on but could just fall into a set that somebody else could be making.

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I mean, there's no rule saying that your stuff MUST be complete before posting in the regular area (though it does help with reviewing a bit if you have a general idea). But that being said, your project should generally be stuff that YOU want to design based on your own tastes, as you're the designer.

 

Nothing wrong with taking some request stuff every now and then, though.

 

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Who knows, you guys may float similar ideas and collab projects could very well be born out of that. Might as well give it a shot (and give that Planning Thread in Casual a new life somewhat; well, expand it to its own section). 

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So yeah, if you guys really want it, this section can become a Workshopping area instead after the renovation where you can float ideas around. Just gotta see if it should be kept here or subsectioned into Casual again. 

 

Probably just keep it as a separate area, and move back Joke Cards to its original spot. Archived already, so...


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Also the matter of people who actually want to make decent cards but just aren't as savvy on the competitive / design aspect as required for Advanced, however for the most part, think those cases will normally outweigh the number of "free cards" that don't break the usual design standards in Casual.

 

This is pretty much "don't break the 5,000 threshold for original ATK/DEF" [as I don't really see a reason for needing to exceed these values] and not making things that are obviously busted [if you minus the meta from it]. These will be dropped.

 

Decent cards can still be posted on Casual, and if gets thumbs ups from the reviewers, the creator can consider moving them to Advanced for more polished reviews.


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That is true, though it's up to the member though if they want to move it to Advanced after reviews, as the impression is that Casual is for designing without being pressured by the metagame or current cards to make things work. You and I both know that members already post decent stuff in Casual as it currently is (well, Egmodeus comes to mind as one of them).

 

Granted, I cannot predict what members will want to do sometime later after posting their initial thread and getting feedback; it depends on them. Given the members who do post in there at present (and in here), they're likely doing it for fun and to show us what they have made; not necessarily making something that will be topping the next regionals or something. 

 

(Just don't assume members are up to date with current releases, as we really do have over 9,000 cards to keep track of, even if most are old/filler-ish now, and a few may have been out of the game for a while due to discontent with how things were progressing.)

 

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I doubt members will be consistently posting Joke Cards in there as opposed to more decent designs, but we'll just have to see how it works out. Joke Cards didn't show up too much in here either, so...


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With that being said, you guys have spoken up and though it was generally a close result, the bulk of you wanted Free Cards to be merged back into Casual.

 

So yeah, I will be shifting everything in this section at present to the appropriate areas in Casual, and the rulebook shall be updated accordingly. So you know what to expect, here's what I have from merging the current Casual ones and stuff from here.

 

 

The rules

 

Some stuff may be condensed and/or removed, but a lot of it is mostly common sense stuff and differences from the standard rulebook. 

 

 

For those of you who want to keep Free Cards as its own section, I understand why you would want this (and ideally, that was what the original plan for this section was). It's just being merged back because the activity isn't as high as expected (and I guess not being too different from Casual either in terms of policies). 

 

Your stuff will just be mixed in with the others in Casual, both the more decent cards and things you'd normally post here. However, as said before, you are getting the design requirements dropped, so stuff like 15,000 ATK Ultimate Blue-Eyes Shining is fine in Casual. Just don't cards that promote adult/explicit content or discrimination for the most part, but that's standard business. 

 

 

Now...some of you also expressed interest in having Free Cards become a workshop area of sorts for idea building and theorycrafting (as in you getting some idea before putting cards down; given how the section is right now with requiring at least 1 card), should the merger happen (which it is).

 

For now, I'll leave this section for that purpose in there and see how it turns out in a couple weeks. Things go well, it can stay; otherwise, yeah, merge back. In hindsight, I think we should have a section for theorycrafting and getting ideas before devoting time to a set. Easier to find stuff as separate threads as opposed to searching a whole thread.

 

Experimental Cards still gotta go in their assigned area though, but again, let's just see how it goes. 

 

 

Thank you to those who voted in the poll and/or left your thoughts in this thread. I took your responses into consideration when deciding what to do about Free Card and whatnot. 

 

(I'll start moving threads within the next couple hours; have other things I need to take care of first.)

 

If you have further concerns, please, don't hesitate to PM me. 


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