"Stephen Miller is an immigration hypocrite"

[Phantom Roxas]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351
 
Stephen Miller's uncle, David S. Glosser, discusses the hypocrisy of how Miller and Trump are each directly descended from immigrants, yet advocate for policies that, if they were in place a century ago, would have prevented those same ancestors from immigrating. Incidentally, Trump's grandfather in question, Frederick Trump, was deported for failing to fulfill his military service. I guess draft-dodging runs in the family.

"Immigration reform is a complex issue that will require compassion and wisdom to bring the nation to a just solution, but the politicians who have based their political and professional identity on ethnic demonization and exclusion cannot be trusted to do so."

 

This line in particular stands out to me. Too often does it seem that styling oneself as knowledgeable on the "proper" approach to immigration comes at the cost of any and all compassion, as though it were mutually exclusive from wisdom. Stephen Miller lacks both, supporting policies based neither in wisdom nor compassion, but solely in fearmongering.

[Dad]

I mean if they gon deport military and legal immigrants, what makes you think this was ever about illegalimmigration in the first place?

 

Lmao

[mido9]

Immigration laws don't exist in a vacuum. The USA was largely empty and undeveloped, there wasn't any welfare and you NEEDED to integrate and work and be like an american to get by, there wasn't a big jewish gang like MS13 or etc(at least, outside of the jew conspiracy theorists' heads) or huge terrorist organizations in germany, jews were in favor of US laws while middle easterners are wholly against,etc. It's a 100+ years old scenario, it's not going to be the same.

Also absolutely everyone despises both the vietnam war and germany's imperialistc wars, who would support either of those?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

*Shrugs*

 

This is what liberals do, they project. My parents call me a race traitor too. Much like stephen Miller's uncle they live in a rich white liberal area. I on the other hand spent the last 2 years of college living outside the ghetto. As usual liberals are virtue signaling snobby fucks. Call me when Stephen Miller's uncle moves into a rat infested Philadelphia ghetto with illegals. Spoiler, he'll never do it. Just like the liberal islamaphiles will never go live in Syria.

[Phantom Roxas]

I mean if they gon deport military and legal immigrants, what makes you think this was ever about illegalimmigration in the first place?

 

Lmao

 

Oh, it absolutely was never about illegal immigration. He's long been known as a white supremacist, and given his insistence on adding arbitrary restrictions, it just further highlights that any of his concerns about whether an immigrant has come here legally are completely hollow. He wants to retroactively remove the legal status of as many immigrants as he can, so it's just a pretense for racial purity.

 

When you have to change the laws for the sake of justifying deportations, you care more about nationalism and are just using the law to further strengthen systemic racism.

 

Immigration laws don't exist in a vacuum. The USA was largely empty and undeveloped, there wasn't any welfare and you NEEDED to integrate and work and be like an american to get by, there wasn't a big jewish gang like MS13 or etc(at least, outside of the jew conspiracy theorists' heads) or huge terrorist organizations in germany, jews were in favor of US laws while middle easterners are wholly against,etc. It's a 100+ years old scenario, it's not going to be the same.

 

Also absolutely everyone despises both the vietnam war and germany's imperialistc wars, who would support either of those?

Jews absolutely had to flee from a huge terrorist organization in Germany.

 

Miller does not care even if you do integrate and be like an American. Could you be more specific in which laws laws Jews supported, and which laws Middle Easterns oppose? Does the distinction lie in whether those groups support or oppose those laws, or if the laws discriminated against them, such as Jeff Sessions' proposed "religious liberty task force" blatantly violating the First Amendment, given how the current administration seems to favor conservative evangelists? Such favoritism exists in past administrations as well, but for the purposes of this thread, I'm focusing primarily on the current administration.

 

How do any of those wars relate to this? Those seem like completely unrelated points, and asking who would support either of those as a rhetorical question doesn't seem to offer much, because you're arguing against something I'm not sure anyone was saying. I agree with you, it's just that it seemed a bit random.

 

*Shrugs*

 

This is what liberals do, they project. My parents call me a race traitor too. Much like stephen Miller's uncle they live in a rich white liberal area. I on the other hand spent the last 2 years of college living outside the ghetto. As usual liberals are virtue signaling snobby fucks. Call me when Stephen Miller's uncle moves into a rat infested Philadelphia ghetto with illegals. Spoiler, he'll never do it. Just like the liberal islamaphiles will never go live in Syria.

How is David Glosser "projecting"?

 

Please refrain from boasting about where you attended college when you're trying to accuse David Glosser of so-called "virtue signaling", especially if you're going to dictate where people should be moving to. Your perspective may be formed from your own personal experience, but your demand is not refuting anything he said, and only indicates that you don't want to listen. The behavior you're attributing to Glosser is prevalent all across your own post, so I would prefer if you stepped back a bit and try to approach this more rationally before continuing.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

How is David Glosser "projecting"?

 

Please refrain from boasting about where you attended college when you're trying to accuse David Glosser of so-called "virtue signaling", especially if you're going to dictate where people should be moving to. Your perspective may be formed from your own personal experience, but your demand is not refuting anything he said, and only indicates that you don't want to listen. The behavior you're attributing to Glosser is prevalent all across your own post, so I would prefer if you stepped back a bit and try to approach this more rationally before continuing.

He hasn't spoken to his nephew in 10 years. Didn't really know him back then either. And he lives in a really well of neighborhood walled off from the kind of things his nephew is trying to curtail. It's a bit rich for a guy from a wealthy suburbanite white neighborhood to start lecturing the proles to open their door for strangers who share little of our culture, but that's all too common with the left right now.

 

Yes, the jews went through persecution in the past, yes migration helped save them now, and no, just because that was true in the past doesn't mean its true now. When you look at the refugees streaming in now, they're predominantly islamic refugees who share no love for the jews. Honestly, it's similar to Black voters and the GOP, as in telling them they should vote GOP now, because of how the GOP helped them once in the past. It's dishonesty, and combined with the rules for thee, not for me attitude, it's foolish and dishonest 

I do think you need to live it to know it. Which most of these people personally have not.

[Phantom Roxas]

"He hasn't spoken to his nephew in 10 years. Didn't really know him back then either."

Do you have a source for either of these?

 

David Glosser works with the HIAS, which provides aid to immigrants and refugees. His volunteer work is all about opening the door to strangers, so to claim that he's walled off is plainly false, nor is that projection in any way, shape, or form.

 

Comparing Jews and Islamic people to black voters and the GOP is a false equivalence, and if you're citing the "rules for thee, not for me", that's exactly the kind of hypocrisy David Glosser is criticizing Stephen Miller for possessing. Miller is all too happy to impose rules on other minorities that would have limited his own ancestors. There is no such counterpart with what black voters must do for the GOP, especially since the whole "The Democrats were the party of slavery, and the Republicans were the ones who freed slaves" narrative is something that morons like Dinesh D'Souza love to tout, but is completely meaningless because it's conveniently ignoring how the parties switched platforms. There is no value in telling black voters to vote GOP because the GOP once helped them out, because this is not the same GOP that had once freed them anymore.

 

Jewish-Muslim relations have been steadily improving, but you're focusing far too much on Islam in this thread. Given your own repeated Islamophobic comments across the board, I'm going to ask that you stop trying to center so much on tensions between Jewish and Islamic people, when Stephen Miller's stances on immigration affect other minorities such as Hispanics and Latinos. I am not here to indulge your racism, and will not have you derail yet another thread just because you insist on discriminating against Islam.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Yeh, in the ND interview he did today

 

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1029335044949602305

There's a lotta grandstanding and not much substance in that post. But I suppose calling me racist is about your level of intellectual depth.

 

He lives in an upscale part of Philadelphia, the likes of which are not  the final destination of illegals and refugees. 

 

If the parties did switch places why have there been towns in Kentucky that have voted dem for over 100 years? Why did only 1-2 Senators switch parties. Don't get me wrong, nobody should vote for the old corporation GOP, but not because they became the party of Jim Crow.

 

The point is, Miller doesn't have to let every ragbat into the country just because his ancestors got in. There's no reason to let in people who have deeply divergent cultures into this country.

 

The real issue here, is ivory tower liberals are upset that the right has finally got the balls to put an end to imported leftist workers. Hell, I'm a grandchild of an immigrant and I wanna cut legal immigration too, they all come over here and then vote democrat, I'd rather live in a white american than a leftist sheet America

[Dad]

I'd rather live in a white america/quote]

 

Thereeeee it is.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'd rather live in a white america/quote]

 

Thereeeee it is.

Uh...yeah? Do you see me clamoring to move back to ancestral Iran to live with my fellow brown folk?

 

 

My values are more in line with conservative whites than my the vast liberal majority of my race. Unlike some people in this board, I couldn't give less of a funk about racial pride, so I have no special attachment to my race. In that regard, I'd rather america stay more conservative than destroy everything I care about just to make more people who look like me come here. 

[Dad]

Uh...yeah? Do you see me clamoring to move back to ancestral Iran to live with my fellow brown folk?

 

 

My values are more in line with conservative whites than my the vast liberal majority of my race. Unlike some people in this board, I couldn't give less of a funk about racial pride, so I have no special attachment to my race. In that regard, I'd rather america stay more conservative than destroy everything I care about just to make more people who look like me come here.

That's not my question.

 

My question is:

 

What makes you think conservative whites give a sheet about brown people like you?

 

You're just gonna be gunned down like the rest of us. You're not "safe" Just cuz you like them. They can't stand you lmao.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

There's a lotta grandstanding and not much substance in that post. But I suppose calling me racist is about your level of intellectual depth.

Nope. I'm not gonna allow throwing insults around like this. All it does is detract from your point. You could've posted without it and been fine.

Also Roxas you didn't have to word it like that. Just saying that it's not just about Islam is fine.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That's not my question.

 

My question is:

 

What makes you think conservative whites give a sheet about brown people like you?

 

You're just gonna be gunned down like the rest of us. You're not "safe" Just cuz you like them. They can't stand you lmao.

That's fine, I agree with them more than I do with my fellow brown people. Politics is more than skin deep. 

[Simping For Hina]

That's fine, I agree with them more than I do with my fellow brown people. Politics is more than skin deep. 

The problem is: While politics is more than skin deep, the aspect of which people look deeper into it is pretty surface level. And things usually take to the first impression that people have at first glance, to set what the definition of someone is.

 

I haven't looked into this problem for the most part, so this post is mute past this point.

[Phantom Roxas]

Nope. I'm not gonna allow throwing insults around like this. All it does is detract from your point. You could've posted without it and been fine.

Also Roxas you didn't have to word it like that. Just saying that it's not just about Islam is fine.

 

If Winter is going to throw around racial slurs like "ragbats", then I am going to be perfectly clear in stating that I will not accept that behavior in this thread.

[mido9]

Jews absolutely had to flee from a huge terrorist organization in Germany.

 

Miller does not care even if you do integrate and be like an American. Could you be more specific in which laws Jews supported, and which laws Middle Easterns oppose? Does the distinction lie in whether those groups support or oppose those laws, or if the laws discriminated against them, such as Jeff Sessions' proposed "religious liberty task force" blatantly violating the First Amendment, given how the current administration seems to favor conservative evangelists? Such favoritism exists in past administrations as well, but for the purposes of this thread, I'm focusing primarily on the current administration.

 

How do any of those wars relate to this? Those seem like completely unrelated points, and asking who would support either of those as a rhetorical question doesn't seem to offer much, because you're arguing against something I'm not sure anyone was saying. I agree with you, it's just that it seemed a bit random.

Why do you say he doesn't care?

 

Also, you're thinking of a wrong time, miller's family left 30+ years before hitler was a thing. Even then, there's a distinction in that you can't tell who's coming into the country over the US-mexico border or from the middle east(sometimes) while miller just announce they're here and move on.

 

Also, the obvious laws that middle easterners(re: muslims) don't support the first amendment, or rights for women, or rights for gays, or freedom of religion, or no cruel and unusual punishment(saudi arabia crucified a man last month), while jews don't generally care.

 

Also, the religious liberty task force is blatantly not against the first amendment in any way, it is specifically made to protect religious groups from discrimination, including not making any law supersede freedom of religion or acts based on religion. It just happens that 90% of the USA is christian so those are the ones that will get more defended just by the numbers.

[Dad]

That's fine, I agree with them more than I do with my fellow brown people. Politics is more than skin deep.

 

Obviously not. If that were true you wouldn't be considered a threat to White America.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Obviously not. If that were true you wouldn't be considered a threat to White America.

I'm not hellbent on importing new voters from all the holes around the world to try to pack enough votes to make them a minority...don't project your anxieties on me

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

It just happens that 90% of the USA is christian so those are the ones that will get more defended just by the numbers.

for clarity, it was 69% in 2016. This difference in number does not in itself defeat your point, just wanted to correct the given percentage, so as to keep this discussion as fact-based as possible.

[Dad]

I'm not hellbent on importing new voters from all the holes around the world to try to pack enough votes to make them a minority...don't project your anxieties on me

XD

 

You being #nonwhite and of middle eastern heritage means you don't work out in White America.

 

It doesn't matter if they stop coming from other countries. You're as big a target as they are.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Middle Eastern people wiped out 90% of my family. I'll take my chances with the whites give what the other side has to offer

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Okay so this "Should I side with the whites" (I could not figure out a good way to word this I think you get what I mean) discussion is starting to sound like its own separate debate so bring it back a little please.

[Phantom Roxas]

Okay so this "Should I side with the whites" (I could not figure out a good way to word this I think you get what I mean) discussion is starting to sound like its own separate debate so bring it back a little please.

 

It's a discussion about aligning with white supremacy. I don't think it's too separate from what I was going for with this thread, so I'd be fine if Winter and Dad wish to continue that line of the discussion, because it overlaps with why David Glosser spoke out against Stephen Miller.

 

for clarity, it was 69% in 2016. This difference in number does not in itself defeat your point, just wanted to correct the given percentage, so as to keep this discussion as fact-based as possible.

 

Nice.

 

I appreciate this, Giga. I don't think that should change my response too much, but it does help so we're all coming at this from the same understanding.

 

Why do you say he doesn't care?

 

Also, you're thinking of a wrong time, miller's family left 30+ years before hitler was a thing. Even then, there's a distinction in that you can't tell who's coming into the country over the US-mexico border or from the middle east(sometimes) while miller just announce they're here and move on.

 

Also, the obvious laws that middle easterners(re: muslims) don't support the first amendment, or rights for women, or rights for gays, or freedom of religion, or no cruel and unusual punishment(saudi arabia crucified a man last month), while jews don't generally care.

 

Also, the religious liberty task force is blatantly not against the first amendment in any way, it is specifically made to protect religious groups from discrimination, including not making any law supersede freedom of religion or acts based on religion. It just happens that 90% of the USA is christian so those are the ones that will get more defended just by the numbers.

 

With how difficult it can be for legally migrate here, I would think that resolving concerns with current policies should be a top priority. What is the benefit of restricting how many legal immigrants are even allowed to acquire green cards or become citizens, especially based on who has used Obamacare or other welfare programs? It's just imposing restrictions for its own sake, and since it is widely seen as targeting legal immigrants, it doesn't seem like he cares about whether someone immigrated legally or illegally, but that they immigrated at all.

 

I brought up Hitler because I thought you were speaking of Jews immigrating in a broader sense, rather than Miller's family specifically. I apologize for misunderstanding.

 

Once again, I'm wary of specifically singling out Muslims and drawing a contrast between them and Jews.

 

What possible discrimination do Christians need protection from that requires the task force? In his formal announcement of the task force, Jeff Sessions typically favors Christians, and claims "I believe this unease is one reason that [Trump] was elected. In substance, he said he respected people of faith and he promised to protect them in the free exercise of their faith. He declared we would say “Merry Christmas” again."

 

Claiming that we could say "Merry Christmas" hinges on the idea that we were somehow being prevented from doing that. He's pretending that there's some war on Christianity, and using this task force to "protect" them. It's not that Christians "just happen" to be the majority of the population that will be protected by this task force. It's the only religion that Jeff Sessions has any inclination to protect.

[Dad]

Middle Eastern people wiped out 90% of my family. I'll take my chances with the whites give what the other side has to offer

They're gonna tell you to go back to your own country (ironically). They're not gonna offer you anything.

 

You. Are. Not. White.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

 It's a discussion about aligning with white supremacy. I don't think it's too separate from what I was going for with this thread, so I'd be fine if Winter and Dad wish to continue that line of the discussion, because it overlaps with why David Glosser spoke out against Stephen Miller.

You'd be fine, I'm not so fine with it. What I'm meaning is....

 

They're gonna tell you to go back to your own country (ironically). They're not gonna offer you anything.

 

You. Are. Not. White.

The posts are leaning more towards a kind of side-discussion and I'd like some more stuff linking it to the main topic if you could. How it relates directly to it and such.

Maybe beef up the posts from here on a little bit.