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September 17th TCG Banlist


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samsara lotus 3 -> 0

knightmare goblin 3 -> 0 

mx saber invoker 3 -> 0

 

a-assault core 3 -> 1

stratos 0 -> 1

morphing jar 0 -> 1

electrumite 3 -> 1

psyframe

omega 3 -> 1

exciton 0 -> 1

a hero lives 3 -> 1 

card destruction 0 -> 1

sky striker drones 3 -> 1

super poly 0 -> 1

 

 

kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2

called by the grave 3 -> 2

limiter removal 1 -> 2

scapegoat 3 -> 2

terraforming 3 -> 2

 

 

qli towers 2 -> 3

disk commander 0 -> 3

burial from dd 2 -> 3

ring of destruction 2 -> 3

 


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Why the limit on A Hero Lives?
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Because they didn't Limit Shadow Mist



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Because Hero Gouki is one of the best decks in OCG?


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I am literally lost for words.


As an aside, wouldn't Card Destruction be a problem?



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I am literally lost for words.


As an aside, wouldn't Card Destruction be a problem?

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Yay, they banned cards I hate and unbanned cards I like (Card Destruction and Super Poly mostly). Hooray!


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Buy Mudragon of the Swamp fast btw, it's the main card used with Super Poly to break extra links in OCG


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don't hit any handtraps but hit the best anti-hand trap card haha yes :ok_hand:


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STRATOS 0 -> 1

MORPHING JAR 0 -> 1

ELECTRUMITE 3 -> 1

PSYFRAME OMEGA 3 -> 1

EXCITON 0 -> 1

A HERO LIVES 3 -> 1

CARD DESTRUCTION 0 -> 1

SKY STRIKER DRONES 3 -> 1

SUPER POLY 0 -> 1

 
KOZMO DARK DESTROYER 1 -> 2
SCAPEGOAT 3 -> 2
TERRAFORMING 3 -> 2
 
QLI TOWERS 2 -> 3
DISK COMMANDER 0 -> 3
BURIAL FROM DD 2 -> 3
 
OCG SHOULD SUE TEWART FOR COPYRIGHT

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My opinion/Reaction:

 

samsara lotus 3 -> 0: I didnt even know of the existence of this card and had to google it, I asume some sort of FTK but still cant figure out the how, dont think anyone is going to miss this.
 
knightmare goblin 3 -> 0: Took the axe for Firewall, although to be fair U-Link no longer have targeting protection thus making it more vulnerable
 
mx saber invoker 3 -> 0: Had it comming, it was 3 or 0. TC went for 0
 
 
 
a-assault core 3 -> 1: A Little more than this should ve been hit in the ABC deck even if not relevant at the moment
 
stratos 0 -> 1: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD.
 
morphing jar 0 -> 1: I predict the snatch steal treatment for this. Dangers are legit and makes sense though.
 
electrumite 3 -> 1: Finally, now can you give magicians back double iris and Astrograph?
 
psyframe
 
omega 3 -> 1: Like many years late,It doesnt matter (much) anymore but better than never.
 
exciton 0 -> 1: About time, lets see how it impacts the game (if at all)
 
a hero lives 3 -> 1: This was at 1 before stratos got banned, makes sense
 
card destruction 0 -> 1: Konami you greedy MF
 
sky striker drones 3 -> 1: Had it coming
 
super poly 0 -> 1: Interesting, I like it
 
 
 
 
 
kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2: Fine
 
called by the grave 3 -> 2: Seems odd but as long it doesnt go any higher (limited) is tolerable
 
limiter removal 1 -> 2: Ok
 
scapegoat 3 -> 2: Limited might cause a situation similar to maxx c. This was better than limiting the card instantly.
 
terraforming 3 -> 2: This had to go 1 years ago. C mon. (But is better than nothign i guess)
 
 
Releases are not relevant to this.
Overall very intersting, but as any player, no list is perfect for everyone.
I would ve hit some gouki cards too if you are letting firewall around for another format. Shadow mist should ve been semi limited (to start with something). Engage is not hard OPT, that should ve been hit as well. Its an awfull designed card even if it was ment to work that way. Also why is construct still banned!

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Terraforming to 2 is a warning shot. I already only play 2 copies in my psychotic random builds if at all so no concern there.

 

Electrumite to 1 needed done. My Nirvana High Paladin Turbo deck takes a powerful blow, but I've already adjusted it to compensate.

 

They finally freed Stratos. Excellent. But...

 

Level Eater is still banned for literally nothing, then? Okay, back to the void.


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My opinion/Reaction:

 

samsara lotus 3 -> 0: I didnt even know of the existence of this card and had to google it, I asume some sort of FTK but still cant figure out the how, dont think anyone is going to miss this.
 
knightmare goblin 3 -> 0: Took the axe for Firewall, although to be fair U-Link no longer have targeting protection thus making it more vulnerable
 
mx saber invoker 3 -> 0: Had it comming, it was 3 or 0. TC went for 0
 
 
 
a-assault core 3 -> 1: A Little more than this should ve been hit in the ABC deck even if not relevant at the moment
 
stratos 0 -> 1: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD.
 
morphing jar 0 -> 1: I predict the snatch steal treatment for this. Dangers are legit and makes sense though.
 
electrumite 3 -> 1: Finally, now can you give magicians back double iris and Astrograph?
 
psyframe
 
omega 3 -> 1: Like many years late,It doesnt matter (much) anymore but better than never.
 
exciton 0 -> 1: About time, lets see how it impacts the game (if at all)
 
a hero lives 3 -> 1: This was at 1 before stratos got banned, makes sense
 
card destruction 0 -> 1: Konami you greedy MF
 
sky striker drones 3 -> 1: Had it coming
 
super poly 0 -> 1: Interesting, I like it
 
 
 
 
 
kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2: Fine
 
called by the grave 3 -> 2: Seems odd but as long it doesnt go any higher (limited) is tolerable
 
limiter removal 1 -> 2: Ok
 
scapegoat 3 -> 2: Limited might cause a situation similar to maxx c. This was better than limiting the card instantly.
 
terraforming 3 -> 2: This had to go 1 years ago. C mon. (But is better than nothign i guess)
 
 
Releases are not relevant to this.
Overall very intersting, but as any player, no list is perfect for everyone.
I would ve hit some gouki cards too if you are letting firewall around for another format. Shadow mist should ve been semi limited (to start with something). Engage is not hard OPT, that should ve been hit as well. Its an awfull designed card even if it was ment to work that way. Also why is construct still banned!

 

 Samsara Lotus was banned because Topologic Bomber Dragon

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             Samsara Lotus < Trickstar Black Cat Bat   Cerberus     Empty

 

Samsara summon from GY during End Phase. It summons next to Cat Bat. Topologic blows up all monsters in the Main Monster Zones. Cerberus and Cat Bat survive because of Cerberus. A card linked to Cat Bat died so your opponent takes 200 damage.  Rinse and repeat.

 

"a-assault core 3 -> 1: A Little more than this should ve been hit in the ABC deck even if not relevant at the moment"

What the fuck is this comment I don't even think sparring thoughts are warranted for this.

 

"morphing jar 0 -> 1: I predict the snatch steal treatment for this. Dangers are legit and makes sense though."

 

Comparing this card to Snatch Steal is like comparing a cat to a dog lol. Snatch Steal is an immediate threat. Morphing Jar is slow as fuck and will get removed before it's even attacked. Or Stolen by Borreload. If you set this card and pass in Dangers rather than Summoning Grepher/Armageddon Knight I'm actually going to call the police on you. The deck is too fast to warrant bullshit like Morphing Jar. Also Ash Blossom.

 

"terraforming 3 -> 2: This had to go 1 years ago. C mon. (But is better than nothign i guess)" 

 

This card never had to go to 1 years ago. It didn't even have to go to two now.


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Ban list takes effect Sept 17th and my regionals are on Sept 15th so will still be able to play Super Hippo Goukis :thumbsup:



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Tryna figure out why they make an Anti-Handtrap card and them Semi Limit it while not touching any HT (including Droll)

lmao... whatever.

Rest of the list is fine imo, my OE and Link Tellar deck are hurt with Electrumite and Goblin hit but I'll live.


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Exciton and Super Poly, time to break boards, boys!

I too am puzzled at the hit on Called by Grave while leaving the hand traps untouched.

Stratos is back, freaking finally. But at the cost of Hero Lives, curious to see how this affects HEROes.

Card Destruction & Morphing Jar look like Danger! toys, yeah. Still, wouldn't be surprised if Jar is exploited somehow. Maybe a way to Flip it during your turn, like with A/D Changer, the Books or IDK.

They went hard against non-Gouki EARTHs to hurt them, huh. I wanted at least 1 Knightmare Goblin to stick around.

I don't spot anything that hurts Altergeists. Could they take the lead in TCG now? Although they do are a bit different in TCG because of changes in their texts compared to OCG.


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samsara lotus 3 -> 0 This is fine. I don't care if an FTK comes or goes really. FTKs are cried about a lot, but they don't top in TCG as often people like to say they do. 

knightmare goblin 3 -> 0 This is a shame. He should have stayed

mx saber invoker 3 -> 0 Same as Goblin. Card is fun and enables cool combos

 

a-assault core 3 -> 1 I personally dislike ABCs amount of floating. It can be oppressive in certain situations if piloted by a very skilled pilot (plenty in my region). Even though I dislike playing against the deck this card didn't need the hit. 

stratos 0 -> 1 Let the stupid memes die thanks Konami

morphing jar 0 -> 1 Novelty

electrumite 3 -> 1 Unneeded hit

psyframe

omega 3 -> 1 It's s shame we didn't get to see the Junk Speeder quadruple Omega hit tournaments, but the deck wasn't going to topping a lot of events anyways.

exciton 0 -> 1 Should have never been hit in the first place. Welcome back ol buddy

a hero lives 3 -> 1 Sad to see this card hit. I can see why but I disagree.

card destruction 0 -> 1 Nice to have back.

sky striker drones 3 -> 1 This is fine. 

super poly 0 -> 1 Glad this is back

 

 

kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2 Honestly could come to three. The deck was never good. @ me and ur bad at the game

called by the grave 3 -> 2 Confused by this but it's whatever

limiter removal 1 -> 2 Novelty

scapegoat 3 -> 2 Stupid touching this at all

terraforming 3 -> 2 See above

 

 

qli towers 2 -> 3 Novelty

disk commander 0 -> 3 Could be put at 1 or 3 doesn't matter. Only will be played at one.

burial from dd 2 -> 3 Sure

ring of destruction 2 -> 3 Sure

 

For commonly discussed cards that didn't make it on the banlist:

 

Firewall Dragon I'm glad Konami didn't hit this card. This isn't even "protagonist shield' or whatever stupid excuse people give Konami for not hitting it. It doesn't warrant all the hate people give this thing. Everybody who hates this card and wants it gone are also the same folk who cry cause they don't top locals with their Shaddoll Fluffals

 

Engage This or Drones. I would rather Drones get hit over Engage and it happened so no more comments here

 

Droll & Lock Bird Props to Konami for ignoring their players on this card. Skipping all "It's format dependent!!" and other related crap people say. It can turn off certain deck's turns like Nekroz etc but if you're playing decks like that in formats where Droll runs rampant you shouldn't be expecting to top with that deck anyways. Droll is always a -1 and a 0 for your opponent. There are multiple situations where having Droll in hand and dropping it actually loses you the game, because your opponent went first with 5 cards and still established a board and you are now going 2nd with 5 cards instead of 6. That 6th card could have been any other card that would have helped more than trying to "shut off their turn" This is also apparent in situations where they have Called By The Grave. Moving onto the Droll + Reincarnation combo. I dislike when this is used as an argument. It's an awful argument. It's mathematically lopsided in the opponent's favour because of Ash Blossom (double reincarnation combo) or really fucking easy to play around (single Reincarnation). A better argument would be back when Droll + Durendal in Monarchs was a thing due to the lack of Ash Blossom, but nobody complained back then.

 

Ash Blossom Glad we didn't follow OCG on this. This card is probably the most balanced card I've seen printed. 

 

Evenly Matched Talk about this card has kind of died down due to people realizing that it's actually quite a fair card. Not much to say here.


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OCG put Ash to 2 to make Maxx stronger agaisnt decks like Gouki...it's not like they banned the card

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samsara lotus 3 -> 0 I didn’t know this was a thing. Ok.
knightmare goblin 3 -> 0 Not gonna lose sleep over this.
mx saber invoker 3 -> 0 Bound to happen at some point, though this is later than I expected.
a-assault core 3 -> 1 Strange, but I’ll live with it.
stratos 0 -> 1 About damn time. That meme needed to die.
morphing jar 0 -> 1 Alright, I’m game. Let’s see where this goes.
electrumite 3 -> 1 Alright, here’s the big one I expected. This is well deserved.
psyframe omega 3 -> 1 Thank you. Three of this one was overkill.
exciton 0 -> 1Welcome back, old friend. Now all I need back is Norden.
a hero lives 3 -> 1 You know, on DB, I have never seen a Gouki Deck, so I actually had no idea HERO Gouki was a thing. Probably for the best
card destruction 0 -> 1 Let’s get dangerous.
sky striker drones 3 -> 1 Huh, I was expecting to see Engage here too.
super poly 0 -> 1 *tugs at collar* Not too excited about this one.


kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2 Third one please?
called by the grave 3 -> 2 Well, this seems random.
limiter removal 1 -> 2 I like this one.
scapegoat 3 -> 2 I was expecting a limit.
terraforming 3 -> 2 I’ve only ever ran this at 2, so nothing major.


qli towers 2 -> 3 About time. Can I have a second Scout now?
disk commander 0 -> 3 Didn’t know about the errata. I could see it getting some mileage.
burial from dd 2 -> 3 Ok.
ring of destruction 2 -> 3 Ok.
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Well sounds alright, I wanted Firewall Dragon banned, however I guess you cannot have everything (not yet at the very least).
Sounds like a refreshing list.
A lot of cool techs are enabled, while Super Poly enables anyone to break Extra Link right away.
... so now the Cyberse Clock Dragon Fusion can get summoned with Clock Dragon and Super Poly to OTK retaliate against Extra Link-type of boards.




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