September 17th TCG Banlist

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

samsara lotus 3 -> 0

knightmare goblin 3 -> 0 

mx saber invoker 3 -> 0

 

a-assault core 3 -> 1

stratos 0 -> 1

morphing jar 0 -> 1

electrumite 3 -> 1

psyframe

omega 3 -> 1

exciton 0 -> 1

a hero lives 3 -> 1 

card destruction 0 -> 1

sky striker drones 3 -> 1

super poly 0 -> 1

 

 

kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2

called by the grave 3 -> 2

limiter removal 1 -> 2

scapegoat 3 -> 2

terraforming 3 -> 2

 

 

qli towers 2 -> 3

disk commander 0 -> 3

burial from dd 2 -> 3

ring of destruction 2 -> 3

 

[TF2_The_Scout]

Why the limit on A Hero Lives?

[Azuriena]

Because they didn't Limit Shadow Mist

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Because Hero Gouki is one of the best decks in OCG?

[Dova]

I am literally lost for words.


As an aside, wouldn't Card Destruction be a problem?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I am literally lost for words.

 

 

As an aside, wouldn't Card Destruction be a problem?

SELL DANGERS

[JessicaMuddy]

Yay, they banned cards I hate and unbanned cards I like (Card Destruction and Super Poly mostly). Hooray!

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Buy Mudragon of the Swamp fast btw, it's the main card used with Super Poly to break extra links in OCG

[Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin]

don't hit any handtraps but hit the best anti-hand trap card haha yes :ok_hand:

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

STRATOS 0 -> 1

MORPHING JAR 0 -> 1

ELECTRUMITE 3 -> 1

PSYFRAME OMEGA 3 -> 1

EXCITON 0 -> 1

A HERO LIVES 3 -> 1

CARD DESTRUCTION 0 -> 1

SKY STRIKER DRONES 3 -> 1

SUPER POLY 0 -> 1

 

KOZMO DARK DESTROYER 1 -> 2

SCAPEGOAT 3 -> 2

TERRAFORMING 3 -> 2

 

QLI TOWERS 2 -> 3

DISK COMMANDER 0 -> 3

BURIAL FROM DD 2 -> 3

 

OCG SHOULD SUE TEWART FOR COPYRIGHT

[Dragulas]

My opinion/Reaction:

 

samsara lotus 3 -> 0: I didnt even know of the existence of this card and had to google it, I asume some sort of FTK but still cant figure out the how, dont think anyone is going to miss this.

 

knightmare goblin 3 -> 0: Took the axe for Firewall, although to be fair U-Link no longer have targeting protection thus making it more vulnerable

 

mx saber invoker 3 -> 0: Had it comming, it was 3 or 0. TC went for 0

 

 

 

a-assault core 3 -> 1: A Little more than this should ve been hit in the ABC deck even if not relevant at the moment

 

stratos 0 -> 1: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD.

 

morphing jar 0 -> 1: I predict the snatch steal treatment for this. Dangers are legit and makes sense though.

 

electrumite 3 -> 1: Finally, now can you give magicians back double iris and Astrograph?

 

psyframe

 

omega 3 -> 1: Like many years late,It doesnt matter (much) anymore but better than never.

 

exciton 0 -> 1: About time, lets see how it impacts the game (if at all)

 

a hero lives 3 -> 1: This was at 1 before stratos got banned, makes sense

 

card destruction 0 -> 1: Konami you greedy MF

 

sky striker drones 3 -> 1: Had it coming

 

super poly 0 -> 1: Interesting, I like it

 

 

 

 

 

kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2: Fine

 

called by the grave 3 -> 2: Seems odd but as long it doesnt go any higher (limited) is tolerable

 

limiter removal 1 -> 2: Ok

 

scapegoat 3 -> 2: Limited might cause a situation similar to maxx c. This was better than limiting the card instantly.

 

terraforming 3 -> 2: This had to go 1 years ago. C mon. (But is better than nothign i guess)

 

 

Releases are not relevant to this.

Overall very intersting, but as any player, no list is perfect for everyone.

I would ve hit some gouki cards too if you are letting firewall around for another format. Shadow mist should ve been semi limited (to start with something). Engage is not hard OPT, that should ve been hit as well. Its an awfull designed card even if it was ment to work that way. Also why is construct still banned!

[Neutrality Man]

Terraforming to 2 is a warning shot. I already only play 2 copies in my psychotic random builds if at all so no concern there.

 

Electrumite to 1 needed done. My Nirvana High Paladin Turbo deck takes a powerful blow, but I've already adjusted it to compensate.

 

They finally freed Stratos. Excellent. But...

 

Level Eater is still banned for literally nothing, then? Okay, back to the void.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

 

My opinion/Reaction:

 

samsara lotus 3 -> 0: I didnt even know of the existence of this card and had to google it, I asume some sort of FTK but still cant figure out the how, dont think anyone is going to miss this.

 

knightmare goblin 3 -> 0: Took the axe for Firewall, although to be fair U-Link no longer have targeting protection thus making it more vulnerable

 

mx saber invoker 3 -> 0: Had it comming, it was 3 or 0. TC went for 0

 

 

 

a-assault core 3 -> 1: A Little more than this should ve been hit in the ABC deck even if not relevant at the moment

 

stratos 0 -> 1: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD.

 

morphing jar 0 -> 1: I predict the snatch steal treatment for this. Dangers are legit and makes sense though.

 

electrumite 3 -> 1: Finally, now can you give magicians back double iris and Astrograph?

 

psyframe

 

omega 3 -> 1: Like many years late,It doesnt matter (much) anymore but better than never.

 

exciton 0 -> 1: About time, lets see how it impacts the game (if at all)

 

a hero lives 3 -> 1: This was at 1 before stratos got banned, makes sense

 

card destruction 0 -> 1: Konami you greedy MF

 

sky striker drones 3 -> 1: Had it coming

 

super poly 0 -> 1: Interesting, I like it

 

 

 

 

 

kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2: Fine

 

called by the grave 3 -> 2: Seems odd but as long it doesnt go any higher (limited) is tolerable

 

limiter removal 1 -> 2: Ok

 

scapegoat 3 -> 2: Limited might cause a situation similar to maxx c. This was better than limiting the card instantly.

 

terraforming 3 -> 2: This had to go 1 years ago. C mon. (But is better than nothign i guess)

 

 

Releases are not relevant to this.

Overall very intersting, but as any player, no list is perfect for everyone.

I would ve hit some gouki cards too if you are letting firewall around for another format. Shadow mist should ve been semi limited (to start with something). Engage is not hard OPT, that should ve been hit as well. Its an awfull designed card even if it was ment to work that way. Also why is construct still banned!

 

 Samsara Lotus was banned because Topologic Bomber Dragon

                                                              V               V                  V

             Samsara Lotus < Trickstar Black Cat Bat   Cerberus     Empty

 

Samsara summon from GY during End Phase. It summons next to Cat Bat. Topologic blows up all monsters in the Main Monster Zones. Cerberus and Cat Bat survive because of Cerberus. A card linked to Cat Bat died so your opponent takes 200 damage.  Rinse and repeat.

 

"a-assault core 3 -> 1: A Little more than this should ve been hit in the ABC deck even if not relevant at the moment"

What the funk is this comment I don't even think sparring thoughts are warranted for this.

 

"morphing jar 0 -> 1: I predict the snatch steal treatment for this. Dangers are legit and makes sense though."

 

Comparing this card to Snatch Steal is like comparing a cat to a dog lol. Snatch Steal is an immediate threat. Morphing Jar is slow as funk and will get removed before it's even attacked. Or Stolen by Borreload. If you set this card and pass in Dangers rather than Summoning Grepher/Armageddon Knight I'm actually going to call the police on you. The deck is too fast to warrant bullshit like Morphing Jar. Also Ash Blossom.

 

"terraforming 3 -> 2: This had to go 1 years ago. C mon. (But is better than nothign i guess)" 

 

This card never had to go to 1 years ago. It didn't even have to go to two now.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Ban list takes effect Sept 17th and my regionals are on Sept 15th so will still be able to play Super Hippo Goukis :thumbsup:

[BlackBeartic]

Tryna figure out why they make an Anti-Handtrap card and them Semi Limit it while not touching any HT (including Droll)

lmao... whatever.

Rest of the list is fine imo, my OE and Link Tellar deck are hurt with Electrumite and Goblin hit but I'll live.

[Darj]

Exciton and Super Poly, time to break boards, boys!

I too am puzzled at the hit on Called by Grave while leaving the hand traps untouched.

Stratos is back, freaking finally. But at the cost of Hero Lives, curious to see how this affects HEROes.

Card Destruction & Morphing Jar look like Danger! toys, yeah. Still, wouldn't be surprised if Jar is exploited somehow. Maybe a way to Flip it during your turn, like with A/D Changer, the Books or IDK.

They went hard against non-Gouki EARTHs to hurt them, huh. I wanted at least 1 Knightmare Goblin to stick around.

I don't spot anything that hurts Altergeists. Could they take the lead in TCG now? Although they do are a bit different in TCG because of changes in their texts compared to OCG.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

samsara lotus 3 -> 0 This is fine. I don't care if an FTK comes or goes really. FTKs are cried about a lot, but they don't top in TCG as often people like to say they do. 

knightmare goblin 3 -> 0 This is a shame. He should have stayed

mx saber invoker 3 -> 0 Same as Goblin. Card is fun and enables cool combos

 

a-assault core 3 -> 1 I personally dislike ABCs amount of floating. It can be oppressive in certain situations if piloted by a very skilled pilot (plenty in my region). Even though I dislike playing against the deck this card didn't need the hit. 

stratos 0 -> 1 Let the stupid memes die thanks Konami

morphing jar 0 -> 1 Novelty

electrumite 3 -> 1 Unneeded hit

psyframe

omega 3 -> 1 It's s shame we didn't get to see the Junk Speeder quadruple Omega hit tournaments, but the deck wasn't going to topping a lot of events anyways.

exciton 0 -> 1 Should have never been hit in the first place. Welcome back ol buddy

a hero lives 3 -> 1 Sad to see this card hit. I can see why but I disagree.

card destruction 0 -> 1 Nice to have back.

sky striker drones 3 -> 1 This is fine. 

super poly 0 -> 1 Glad this is back

 

 

kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2 Honestly could come to three. The deck was never good. @ me and ur bad at the game

called by the grave 3 -> 2 Confused by this but it's whatever

limiter removal 1 -> 2 Novelty

scapegoat 3 -> 2 Stupid touching this at all

terraforming 3 -> 2 See above

 

 

qli towers 2 -> 3 Novelty

disk commander 0 -> 3 Could be put at 1 or 3 doesn't matter. Only will be played at one.

burial from dd 2 -> 3 Sure

ring of destruction 2 -> 3 Sure

 

For commonly discussed cards that didn't make it on the banlist:

 

Firewall Dragon I'm glad Konami didn't hit this card. This isn't even "protagonist shield' or whatever stupid excuse people give Konami for not hitting it. It doesn't warrant all the hate people give this thing. Everybody who hates this card and wants it gone are also the same folk who cry cause they don't top locals with their Shaddoll Fluffals

 

Engage This or Drones. I would rather Drones get hit over Engage and it happened so no more comments here

 

Droll & Lock Bird Props to Konami for ignoring their players on this card. Skipping all "It's format dependent!!" and other related crap people say. It can turn off certain deck's turns like Nekroz etc but if you're playing decks like that in formats where Droll runs rampant you shouldn't be expecting to top with that deck anyways. Droll is always a -1 and a 0 for your opponent. There are multiple situations where having Droll in hand and dropping it actually loses you the game, because your opponent went first with 5 cards and still established a board and you are now going 2nd with 5 cards instead of 6. That 6th card could have been any other card that would have helped more than trying to "shut off their turn" This is also apparent in situations where they have Called By The Grave. Moving onto the Droll + Reincarnation combo. I dislike when this is used as an argument. It's an awful argument. It's mathematically lopsided in the opponent's favour because of Ash Blossom (double reincarnation combo) or really funking easy to play around (single Reincarnation). A better argument would be back when Droll + Durendal in Monarchs was a thing due to the lack of Ash Blossom, but nobody complained back then.

 

Ash Blossom Glad we didn't follow OCG on this. This card is probably the most balanced card I've seen printed. 

 

Evenly Matched Talk about this card has kind of died down due to people realizing that it's actually quite a fair card. Not much to say here.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

OCG put Ash to 2 to make Maxx stronger agaisnt decks like Gouki...it's not like they banned the card

[TF2_The_Scout]

samsara lotus 3 -> 0 I didn’t know this was a thing. Ok.

knightmare goblin 3 -> 0 Not gonna lose sleep over this.

mx saber invoker 3 -> 0 Bound to happen at some point, though this is later than I expected.

a-assault core 3 -> 1 Strange, but I’ll live with it.

stratos 0 -> 1 About damn time. That meme needed to die.

morphing jar 0 -> 1 Alright, I’m game. Let’s see where this goes.

electrumite 3 -> 1 Alright, here’s the big one I expected. This is well deserved.

psyframe omega 3 -> 1 Thank you. Three of this one was overkill.

exciton 0 -> 1Welcome back, old friend. Now all I need back is Norden.

a hero lives 3 -> 1 You know, on DB, I have never seen a Gouki Deck, so I actually had no idea HERO Gouki was a thing. Probably for the best

card destruction 0 -> 1 Let’s get dangerous.

sky striker drones 3 -> 1 Huh, I was expecting to see Engage here too.

super poly 0 -> 1 *tugs at collar* Not too excited about this one.

 

 

kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2 Third one please?

called by the grave 3 -> 2 Well, this seems random.

limiter removal 1 -> 2 I like this one.

scapegoat 3 -> 2 I was expecting a limit.

terraforming 3 -> 2 I’ve only ever ran this at 2, so nothing major.

 

 

qli towers 2 -> 3 About time. Can I have a second Scout now?

disk commander 0 -> 3 Didn’t know about the errata. I could see it getting some mileage.

burial from dd 2 -> 3 Ok.

ring of destruction 2 -> 3 Ok.

[The Highlander]

Well sounds alright, I wanted Firewall Dragon banned, however I guess you cannot have everything (not yet at the very least).

Sounds like a refreshing list.

A lot of cool techs are enabled, while Super Poly enables anyone to break Extra Link right away.

... so now the Cyberse Clock Dragon Fusion can get summoned with Clock Dragon and Super Poly to OTK retaliate against Extra Link-type of boards.

[Thomas★Zero]

Well am happy that Stratos is unbanned and it looks like with the A Hero Lives hit that we might get Stratos at 2 in parallel to the OCG but in a different prospective since Shadow Mist is at 1 in the OCG while with getting Stratos back in the TCG with A Hero Lives to 1.

 

Still I feel the Hero Lives hit is more smarter than shadow as it slows the decks direct into Law + massive feild ramp into Masked HERO and Links since you can just proceed to combo off your cards if you get a HERO lives where you summon Stratos, add a Solid Solider and use Solid to summon a Shadow Mist to make a Link 2 and a Dark Law.

[Hallohallo]

So they unban Stratos, limit Electrumite, but Astrograph is still banned? I don't like this at all.

 

Sigh... my Pendulum decks are getting thinner again.

 

I hate you Konami.

[~British Soul~]

Congratulations Goblin on being the first banned Link monster

I can see why they hit Samsara Lotus from reading this thread (wouldn't have known otherwise)

Stratos is back? Now he can get beaten in a bar fight by Super Agent    In all seriousness it is great that he is back tbph.

Took them long enough to unban Exciton 

[Ultimagamer]

With the limiting of A-Assault Core, abc decks will have a lot more problems than it originally seemed. 

 

First things first, limiting A isn't really just accidental or for no reason. It seems like, much like plant ftk, they want to prevent abc ftk from reaching the tcg. There would be much better ways of going about this than limiting A. 

 

[spoiler=Firewall Dragon] This card probably should've been banned on the previous banlist, but not only did that not happen, but it didn't get banned on this banlist either. This card is pretty much the entire reason why abc ftk exists ( if you have an A in your GY and on your field, by using cannon solider to tribute the A while you have a union monster in your hand, you can repeatedly just add back A and special summon him again and again, providing tribute fodder for your cannon soldier ). Just banning this card fixes the ftk without having to touch any part of abcs and it prevents a lot of the ridiculous extra linking combos we see currently ( though goblin being banned does also help somewhat in that regard ). 

 

 

 

[spoiler=Cannon Soldier / Toon Cannon Soldier] These cards sole purpose as cards is quite literally, tribute 1 monster, inflict 500 damage. Their only really good purpose in 2018 is enabling these ftks. By banning these cards ( like the ocg did ) we wouldn't see abc ftk since the primary cards required to inflict damage to your opponent would be banned. 

 

 

 

[spoiler=The Impact of ABCs Post-Banlist] ABCs will now be much more a glass cannon deck in my opinion. As an abc player for over a year, something I've noticed while playing is that if your opponent removes your dragon buster before you can resolve it's effect to special summon back his pieces, or if they negate his summon altogether, you get left in a weird spot where you lose out on 3 free union monsters and left with normal summoning more pieces from your hand. With A limited, this becomes much more deadly. If your opponent negates the effect of, or the summon of, dragon buster, you will be unable to summon him any more times during the duel, since your pieces will be banished, and with A at 1, you won't be able to get any more copies of him into your GY or on your field to summon another dragon buster. This means that either you hope your dragon buster lasts, or you have to play somewhat wonky cards for abcs, like burial from the different dimension or fusion tag. Also pot of desires becomes a much harder to play card, given that, whether or not your opponent negates the draw or not, if you banish your 1 A face-down, you will be unable to summon dragon buster for the entire duel, unless you play something like necro-face or psy-framelord omega. Before the banlist desires was a pretty safe option to play, given that unless you banish all of 1 piece face-down you will probably be just fine, but post banlist the risk becomes a lot more serious. 

 

 

 

Konami, please unlimit A and ban one of the problem cards that enable the ftk ( such as the cannon soldiers whose only effects are tribute to burn ) as abcs aren't really much of a problem ( given that abcs haven't topped lately, and even when they did, they got maybe 1 spot, 2 if extremely lucky ) 

[SANDAA BORUTO]

Banned:
 
samsara lotus 3 -> 0 Apparently this got the axe due to some random FTK that wasn't even consistent (and because LOLnami didn't want to ban FWD). So they ban a card from 2008 that was never reprinted instead of FWD, the actual broken card in the FTK. Really?
knightmare goblin 3 -> 0 Kill this degenerate piece of s*** with fire. Every single Knightmare should be banned, to be honest.
mx saber invoker 3 -> 0 A long overdue and well deserved ban. Good riddance.
 
Limited:
 
a-assault core 3 -> 1 They just murdered the entire Deck with this. The OCG limited the fusion so that the Deck wouldn't be relevant anymore but would be still playable. This renders poor ABCs worthless.
stratos 0 -> 1 OH MY F***ING GOD THEY FINALLY DID IT YESSSSSSS!!!!
morphing jar 0 -> 1 So Dangers can now +13 or whatever from 1 card. Cool.
electrumite 3 -> 1 #RIPPendulums. Oh wait, no, Pendulum players will probably find a way to make the Deck work even with just 1 Electrumite.
psyframe
omega 3 -> 1 No more triple Omega hand loops. Nobody likes them.
exciton 0 -> 1 No, No, NOOO!!! What are you doing? This is a permaban kind of card!!
a hero lives 3 -> 1 ...I guess it's a fair trade for having Stratos back.
card destruction 0 -> 1 Oh crap, they have TWO win buttons now?
sky striker drones 3 -> 1 While this does nothing to Strikers themselves, this does make the Striker engine a lot less splashable. Good hit.
super poly 0 -> 1 Okay, I actually think bringing Super Poly back is not that much of a stretch. I mean, the OCG never banned this to begin with.
 
Semi-Limited:
 
kozmo dark destroyer 1 -> 2 I guess. Kozmo are pretty much irrelevant now, so bringing this back is okay.
called by the grave 3 -> 2 A lot of people think this is a bad hit, but here's the thing: If Gouki open this going first, they automatically win. And auto-losing by going second is ruining the game. How is the player going second supposed to win if they can't use hand traps?
limiter removal 1 -> 2 Dangerous move. This card has been limited for longer than I've been playing the game, and it's not the kind of card you want to have at 2 if another good Machine Deck strolls around.
scapegoat 3 -> 2 Should have gone to 1, to be honest. Yes, you can't Summon anything during the turn you flip this, but what's stopping you from flipping this in your opponent's End Phase and getting a bunch of free Link Summons on your turn? Cards that generate multiple tokens at once should not be at more than 1 in a format like this.
terraforming 3 -> 2 With more and more Decks becoming dependant on field spells, this was bound to happen.
 
 
qli towers 2 -> 3 Power creep finally caught up to this thing.
disk commander 0 -> 3 Geez louise, this might be the worst errata Konami has brought us so far. They murdered Disk Commander. I actually feel sad for this guy.
burial from dd 2 -> 3 It's not the force it once was.
ring of destruction 2 -> 3 Still a decent card in my opinion, but who in their right mind will run 3?
 
I rate this one Firewall is Still Legal/10.