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I dig how you use the history of Ricin person threatening Republicans as proof that he's a Democrat but people mailing bombs to 3 major democratic figureheads doesn't make him a Republican immediately.

AKA: hating reds = instant blue but hating blues =/= instant red

 

Honestly, that's fine. Winter had reason to believe that it was a Democrat who sent the ricin, but I disagreed with him on that. He recognized earlier on the previous page that it was innocent until proven guilty, which was a fair point, so it would not be fair for me to turn around and then claim that a Republican has sent these bomb threats.

 

Winter said he would be interested in seeing the political ideology of whoever was behind this. He's simply showing curiosity, and taking great care while doing so.

 

Incidentally, not sure if it's already been stated, but apparently the ricin claim was false? I mean that there was no ricin at all, but they still made a threat to make Collins' husband believe that it was there.

 

@Melkor Correct me if I'm wrong with anything I've said above. For as much as I get out of hand in Debates arguing with you, I do want to work past that, and I think we've been doing okay in this thread.

 

https://twitter.com/...115781783076865

 

 

Ah that explains it, they mixed up the Obama package

 

Given that they state it was received, I assume that this is not one of the two that had already been intercepted, so is this an additional package?


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Honestly, that's fine. Winter had reason to believe that it was a Democrat who sent the ricin, but I disagreed with him on that. He recognized earlier on the previous page that it was innocent until proven guilty, which was a fair point, so it would not be fair for me to turn around and then claim that a Republican has sent these bomb threats.

 

Winter said he would be interested in seeing the political ideology of whoever was behind this. He's simply showing curiosity, and taking great care while doing so.

 

Incidentally, not sure if it's already been stated, but apparently the ricin claim was false? I mean that there was no ricin at all, but they still made a threat to make Collins' husband believe that it was there.

 

@Melkor Correct me if I'm wrong with anything I've said above. For as much as I get out of hand in Debates arguing with you, I do want to work past that, and I think we've been doing okay in this thread.

 

 

Given that they state it was received, I assume that this is not one of the two that had already been intercepted, so is this an additional package?

https://www.military...-officials-say/

 

Hmm most recent article still says Ricin and he admitted to it too. Still doesn't make him guilty till the court says he is guilty.

 

 

 

Two packages to Obama? I'm pretty sure there was only one and they caught it in andrew's


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https://www.military...-officials-say/

 

Hmm most recent one still says Ricin and he admitted to it. Still doesn't make him guilty till the court says he is

 

Two packages to Obama? I'm pretty sure there was only one and they caught it in andrew's

 

Okay, for some reason a lot of the reports I was seeing were about a different guy, which was my confusion. Although Collins doesn't seem to have been mentioned in that article? That seems… concerning.

 

https://www.cnbc.com...gh-support.html

 

This is who I'm thinking of. So this probably means that two different guys both made (roughly) the same threat to different targets.

 

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Seems like one bomb was intercepted at Andrews and another was received at Anacostia-Bolling.


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Well when the catch the guy, and he has a face book history full of hating on the blues, I'll call him a republican. Don't worry. Like are you intellectually dishonest or just stupid? There's currently more evidence for the first one.

You asserted he was a Democrat when you first opened this thread before he was caught, just because you were retroactively correct doesn't change the fact that you were way quicker to slam this guy as being lumped in with the Democrats in general with no evidence then the bomber.

Before you use the Kavanaugh thing, you don't need to be a Dem to disagree with that vote.

Show your evidence.
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You asserted he was a Democrat when you first opened this thread before he was caught, just because you were retroactively correct doesn't change the fact that you were way quicker to slam this guy as being lumped in with the Democrats in general with no evidence then the bomber.

Before you use the Kavanaugh thing, you don't need to be a Dem to disagree with that vote.

Show your evidence.

 

Proto, come on. Winter already relented on that, and he's now waiting for the courts to decide whether or not the man is guilty. His point is that they have a suspect in custody, while there isn't one for these bomb threats. Winter is being consistent here, it's just that these two investigations are at different stages, so he can make a more informed decision on one, while he's waiting to see more about the other.


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You asserted he was a Democrat when you first opened this thread before he was caught, just because you were retroactively correct doesn't change the fact that you were way quicker to slam this guy as being lumped in with the Democrats in general with no evidence then the bomber.

Before you use the Kavanaugh thing, you don't need to be a Dem to disagree with that vote.

Show your evidence.

You do realize I posted this after the 4th when the FBI picked him up right?

 

Val1ne faulted me for not waiting till the courts sentenced him, which is correct. 

 

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Fair. When you cite an article that includes the Kavanaugh stuff and not the information that actually frames him as a Democrat I'm forced to assert doubt on your claims. But, fine, I'm overreaching due to a misunderstanding. Not really being intellectually dishonest. I go off what you post not what I assume you know because I'm not a mind reader.

But yeah I overreached. This was you improperly citing instead of being dishonest
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Proto, come on. Winter already relented on that, and he's now waiting for the courts to decide whether or not the man is guilty. His point is that they have a suspect in custody, while there isn't one for these bomb threats. Winter is being consistent here, it's just that these two investigations are at different stages, so he can make a more informed decision on one, while he's waiting to see more about the other.

https://www.bbc.com/...canada-38404033

 

I'm just reminded of this. Occam's Razor does suggest this is a right leaning loon, and most likely it will be. But as with the Chuch Burner and the guy vandalizing the Jewish Centers, we really wont know till the FBI nabs him.

 

At which point social media will pretty much clarify where the chips will fall

 

 

So the package sent to Eric Holder, Obama, Clinton had Debbie Wasserman Schultz' return address. The package had the WRONG address and was sent back to DWS' office. Might be possible that someone who dislikes the fine lady from Fl  is behind this


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Bombs have ISIS flag on them
This seems a little too convenient

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And their return address is to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, yet you don't believe she mailed them as a secret ISIS plot?

Just some dude trying to false flag

What idiot terrorist would mark all their calling cards on the first three bombs when there'll probably be more.
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And their return address is to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, yet you don't believe she mailed them as a secret ISIS plot?

Just some dude trying to false flag

What idiot terrorist would mark all their calling cards on the first three bombs when there'll probably be more.

You do realize they could have put her Return Address in the hopes that it would hit her if not the target?

 

I don't know, I'm skeptical for a number of reasons too...namely that attention whores like ISIS haven't claimed credit yet.

 

They might not want to blow their mole however


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https://www.bbc.com/...canada-38404033

 

I'm just reminded of this. Occam's Razor does suggest this is a right leaning loon, and most likely it will be. But as with the Chuch Burner and the guy vandalizing the Jewish Centers, we really wont know till the FBI nabs him.

 

At which point social media will pretty much clarify where the chips will fall

 

 

So the package sent to Eric Holder, Obama, Clinton had Debbie Wasserman Schultz' return address. The package had the WRONG address and was sent back to DWS' office. Might be possible that someone who dislikes the fine lady from Fl  is behind this

 

Yeah, I think that is the case. I am feeling more comfortable saying that it's someone from the right, but I'll wait and see it. The main factor that has come up is that the targets have each been declared "enemies" by Trump. I doubt Trump endorsed these attacks; at most, it's probably someone who thinks they're doing what Trump would want, but that would be more about the criminal's own assumptions.

 

Bombs have ISIS flag on them
This seems a little too convenient

 

...Yeah, I doubt that ISIS would do that. I'll elaborate on this on my next point, but I think that's someone just putting the ISIS flag on the bombs to make people think it was ISIS.

 

You do realize they could have put her Return Address in the hopes that it would hit her if not the target?

 

I don't know, I'm skeptical for a number of reasons too

 

Sounds to me like someone is trying to make this appear as either DWS or ISIS are behind this, if not having the bomb hit her as you said. DWS would likely be a target moreso for her role as DNC chair, and association with Clinton.

 

EDIT:

 

Okay, it's not even the ISIS logo.

 

It's a Larry the Cable Guy sticker. https://twitter.com/...229035259813889


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https://www.nbcnewyo...-498562021.html

 

So many of the bombs were found lack parts needed to actually explode.


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So they're testing the waters and attempting to politically intimidate these people with violence. Including Robert DeNiro who's only real connection with the other 3 is that they're old people (I guess white too if you count Obama) who have actively been anti-Trump
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So they're testing the waters and attempting to politically intimidate these people with violence. Including Robert DeNiro who's only real connection with the other 3 is that they're old people (I guess white too if you count Obama) who have actively been anti-Trump

Not educated enough on the motive of terrorists to speculate....sorry

 

 

https://www.nytimes....xt-chapter.html

 

Meanwhile, NYT printing that sweet sweet sweet assassination porn 


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So they're testing the waters and attempting to politically intimidate these people with violence. Including Robert DeNiro who's only real connection with the other 3 is that they're old people (I guess white too if you count Obama) who have actively been anti-Trump

What exactly would they get out of this though? Not trying to make an argument here, just asking questions about motives and such. Republicans already have the most fired up base, by this point even the most democratically skewed poles show that republicans in practically every state that's not dyed blue is playing with full buffs. Why would anybody who supports trump or republicans actually send these out when a massive republican victory is practically right around the corner? And if they're going to do it as a threat, why send them to impotent targets, instead of actual figures who might affect change? Seriously, this entire thing just feels really dumb. like it was implemented at the last minute and done with the most half assed planning possible.


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What exactly would they get out of this though? Not trying to make an argument here, just asking questions about motives and such. Republicans already have the most fired up base, by this point even the most democratically skewed poles show that republicans in practically every state that's not dyed blue is playing with full buffs. Why would anybody who supports trump or republicans actually send these out when a massive republican victory is practically right around the corner? And if they're going to do it as a threat, why send them to impotent targets, instead of actual figures who might affect change? Seriously, this entire thing just feels really dumb. like it was implemented at the last minute and done with the most half assed planning possible.

 

Probably because Trump has actively encouraged violence against a few of these individuals, declared them "enemies of the state", and gets people to chant "LOCK HER UP" in droves, so with how much he actively incites his supporters to commit acts of terrorism because he'll just defend them by calling them "very fine people", if they want to get anything out of this, then delivering on the violence that Trump has called for should be enough.


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Probably because Trump has actively encouraged violence against a few of these individuals, declared them "enemies of the state", and gets people to chant "LOCK HER UP" in droves, so with how much he actively incites his supporters to commit acts of terrorism because he'll just defend them by calling them "very fine people", if they want to get anything out of this, then delivering on the violence that Trump has called for should be enough.

That claim is a two way street, If i recall, trump himself, well before this has stated bluntly that he does not support violence against the opposing party. Declaring lock her up was in regards to her actions in select government roles (I don't agree with the statement, but it does have proper context). He has already, in no uncertain terms denounced the person/people sending the bombs. Using him as an excuse makes no sense.

 

Republicans/trump are winning or easily competing in practically every political aspect. There's a majority in both houses, and it looks like it's going to stay that way. Voter enthusiasm is way up. Trumps nominee made it into the supreme court, The economy is one a steady uptick. Trump just slammed stormy and her lawyer in the first of their cases to settle. Public approval of trump has been rising, Businesses and foreign nations are on board with trump, The wall's progressing slowly, but constantly. The list goes on and on. It's been practically nothing but straight winning. Why anybody potentially on trumps side would try to do this, especially at this exact time, is what confuses me. Why pick the worst, most petty option possible, and risk making the entire party sink, when everything's sailing so smoothly for republicans.


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Republicans/trump are winning or easily competing in practically every political aspect. There's a majority in both houses, and it looks like it's going to stay that way. Voter enthusiasm is way up. Trumps nominee made it into the supreme court, The economy is one a steady uptick. Trump just slammed stormy and her lawyer in the first of their cases to settle. Public approval of trump has been rising, Businesses and foreign nations are on board with trump, The wall's progressing slowly, but constantly. The list goes on and on. It's been practically nothing but straight winning. Why anybody potentially on trumps side would try to do this, especially at this exact time, is what confuses me. Why pick the worst, most petty option possible, and risk making the entire party sink, when everything's sailing so smoothly for republicans.

It's very possible that individuals within his voter base feel like whatever promises he made that he didn't fulfill, of which there are many, are being overlooked and believe that its necessary to take it into their own hands to try to remind Democrats of fear with the advent of the midterms. I'm not predicting a blue wave or whatever but you have to admit that this kinda works. They could be people who believe that there are some weaknesses in congress that could potentially be exploited. That the blowback from this short period might be so large with the amount of media uproar about Trump and people pushing new voters that all his policies might be revoked in the same way he revoked most of Obama's.

 

With every peak, there's a trough. A recession after every massive upswing. And this could be a (poor) attempt at increasing the width of that trough by reminding these "untouchable" public figures that they are at full risk of being targets if they try to cut this peak off too soon.


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